Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.

Blacks are about 10% of the population of Fairfax county. A smart Black kid is MUCH better served going to a base HS and if he does as well as his peers, he is almost guaranteed admission to a T-20 school. Who would such a kid want to struggle at TJ for the same outcome??? We ARE talking about smart kids and parents, right?

Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

That's pretty much every class at any Engineering/CS program in a college that matters.. I don't think most people take that "rule" seriously. If they did, the class would be 80-90% Asian, wouldn't it.

Not just engineering/CS but the rule applies to math, physics, chemistry, biology, biochemistry etc. etc. After dropping once or twice, any requred classes must be taken sooner or later to graduate. Stop "Gaming" the system you non-Asian students you.

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

That's pretty much every class at any Engineering/CS program in a college that matters.. I don't think most people take that "rule" seriously. If they did, the class would be 80-90% Asian, wouldn't it.

Not just engineering/CS but the rule applies to math, physics, chemistry, biology, biochemistry etc. etc. After dropping once or twice, any requred classes must be taken sooner or later to graduate. Stop "Gaming" the system you non-Asian students you.

Ain' nutin free - stop being lazy bums. Do better. Stop askin for handouts.

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Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

That's only the case if the kids selected from those schools are advanced enough to take advantage of the extra opportunities at TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

That's only the case if the kids selected from those schools are advanced enough to take advantage of the extra opportunities at TJ.

Whoops! Forgot to add that some people have argued that poor kids simply can't enroll in the free STEM extracurriculars in their middle school, and they have no idea how to do anything at all to enrich themselves or prove themselves in any way. Do you really think those kids will suddenly figure everything out and take advantage of all of the TJ extracurriculars?

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Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

That's only the case if the kids selected from those schools are advanced enough to take advantage of the extra opportunities at TJ.

Setting aside the presumption that they aren’t…

No, it’s not. Being a student at TJ is about so much more than just the identities of the classes you’re able to take. That’s one of the reasons why I don’t lend much credence to the parent community here… because you just don’t understand what the school environment is like and what’s really so special about it unless you went there or worked there for a significant amount of time.

You don’t understand and you never will.

[Anonymous]

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Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

That's only the case if the kids selected from those schools are advanced enough to take advantage of the extra opportunities at TJ.

Whoops! Forgot to add that some people have argued that poor kids simply can't enroll in the free STEM extracurriculars in their middle school, and they have no idea how to do anything at all to enrich themselves or prove themselves in any way. Do you really think those kids will suddenly figure everything out and take advantage of all of the TJ extracurriculars?

You actually unintentionally made another great argument here.

At TJ, there are nearly 200 clubs that take place DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, meaning that kids who are under resourced don’t have to organize transportation to take advantage of them like they would at their base school or like they did during middle school. You can be in tons and tons of clubs and still take the bus home at the end of the day to fulfill whatever responsibilities you have at home.

[Anonymous]

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Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

That's only the case if the kids selected from those schools are advanced enough to take advantage of the extra opportunities at TJ.

Whoops! Forgot to add that some people have argued that poor kids simply can't enroll in the free STEM extracurriculars in their middle school, and they have no idea how to do anything at all to enrich themselves or prove themselves in any way. Do you really think those kids will suddenly figure everything out and take advantage of all of the TJ extracurriculars?

You actually unintentionally made another great argument here.

At TJ, there are nearly 200 clubs that take place DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, meaning that kids who are under resourced don’t have to organize transportation to take advantage of them like they would at their base school or like they did during middle school. You can be in tons and tons of clubs and still take the bus home at the end of the day to fulfill whatever responsibilities you have at home.

Only for Loudoun and Arlington counties. Not for Fairfax or PWC.

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Someone still has to pick them up from the bus stop.

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You actually unintentionally made another great argument here.

At TJ, there are nearly 200 clubs that take place DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, meaning that kids who are under resourced don’t have to organize transportation to take advantage of them like they would at their base school or like they did during middle school. You can be in tons and tons of clubs and still take the bus home at the end of the day to fulfill whatever responsibilities you have at home.

Late buses are already available at most?/all? FCPS middle schools. Under resourced kids already had the opportunity to be in clubs and still take the late bus home after the clubs have finished.

If the time commitment is the issue, TJ has a longer school day with longer bus rides and much more homework. Being able to participate in a club during their extra long school day is hardly going to free them for whatever responsibilities they have at home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

You actually unintentionally made another great argument here.

At TJ, there are nearly 200 clubs that take place DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, meaning that kids who are under resourced don’t have to organize transportation to take advantage of them like they would at their base school or like they did during middle school. You can be in tons and tons of clubs and still take the bus home at the end of the day to fulfill whatever responsibilities you have at home.

Late buses are already available at most?/all? FCPS middle schools. Under resourced kids already had the opportunity to be in clubs and still take the late bus home after the clubs have finished.

If the time commitment is the issue, TJ has a longer school day with longer bus rides and much more homework. Being able to participate in a club during their extra long school day is hardly going to free them for whatever responsibilities they have at home.

I can't speak for other MS, but the one my DD will go to has late buses 3x a week, but not the other two days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

That's pretty much every class at any Engineering/CS program in a college that matters.. I don't think most people take that "rule" seriously. If they did, the class would be 80-90% Asian, wouldn't it.

Not just engineering/CS but the rule applies to math, physics, chemistry, biology, biochemistry etc. etc. After dropping once or twice, any requred classes must be taken sooner or later to graduate. Stop "Gaming" the system you non-Asian students you.

Ain' nutin free - stop being lazy bums. Do better. Stop askin for handouts.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

That's only the case if the kids selected from those schools are advanced enough to take advantage of the extra opportunities at TJ.

Whoops! Forgot to add that some people have argued that poor kids simply can't enroll in the free STEM extracurriculars in their middle school, and they have no idea how to do anything at all to enrich themselves or prove themselves in any way. Do you really think those kids will suddenly figure everything out and take advantage of all of the TJ extracurriculars?

You actually unintentionally made another great argument here.

At TJ, there are nearly 200 clubs that take place DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, meaning that kids who are under resourced don’t have to organize transportation to take advantage of them like they would at their base school or like they did during middle school. You can be in tons and tons of clubs and still take the bus home at the end of the day to fulfill whatever responsibilities you have at home.

Only for Loudoun and Arlington counties. Not for Fairfax or PWC.

It's a regular end-of-day bus because of the in-school 8th period program. All students at TJ have this opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You actually unintentionally made another great argument here.

At TJ, there are nearly 200 clubs that take place DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, meaning that kids who are under resourced don’t have to organize transportation to take advantage of them like they would at their base school or like they did during middle school. You can be in tons and tons of clubs and still take the bus home at the end of the day to fulfill whatever responsibilities you have at home.

Late buses are already available at most?/all? FCPS middle schools. Under resourced kids already had the opportunity to be in clubs and still take the late bus home after the clubs have finished.

If the time commitment is the issue, TJ has a longer school day with longer bus rides and much more homework. Being able to participate in a club during their extra long school day is hardly going to free them for whatever responsibilities they have at home.

The schools that house many underresourced kids have a far smaller outlay of extracurriculars available to them, especially in STEM disciplines. So the fact that they have late buses isn't terribly relevant when there isn't much to choose from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Four years at TJ versus four years at Lewis, Annandale, or Mount Vernon is a much bigger difference than versus four years at McLean, Langley, or Chantilly.

The opportunities that are presented to TJ students that go beyond the classroom are vastly different as well in terms of extracurriculars and internships as well.

That's only the case if the kids selected from those schools are advanced enough to take advantage of the extra opportunities at TJ.

Whoops! Forgot to add that some people have argued that poor kids simply can't enroll in the free STEM extracurriculars in their middle school, and they have no idea how to do anything at all to enrich themselves or prove themselves in any way. Do you really think those kids will suddenly figure everything out and take advantage of all of the TJ extracurriculars?

We said that 5th graders are unlikely to understand the whole TJ process and that they should "proactively do something to prove merit".

A lot happens between 5th grade and 9th grade.