Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So far Coronavirus case outside of China have a very low mortality rate. Much much much lower then SARS and MERS. It is 1 death in 150 cases. It is not even one percent. Of course that those poor eight people are not a horrible and tragic loss. Yet those numbers are indicating that perhaps the healthcare or weather or something is at play that people are doing better. Also, possibly many cases are relatively new so the disease is taking it's course and outcome is not yet know, however at this moment this is what it is.

Coronavirus cases outside of China on Saturday
Total cases: 1200
Deaths: 8
In: 26 countries

For anyone who knows anything about viruses -- do viruses behave differently in different "geographies?" Like is a virus born in China more at home in China's climate and then weakens as it travels; it can't just be about temperature because temps are likely pretty hot in Singapore and this is going strong. But is it possible it needs a specific temp range + humidity or pollution level or something and then when it gets to a wildly different place, the virus weakens?

I mean the variances across the world could be anything -- maybe it's simply that other countries are not yet out of vents/respirators and can dedicate their full medical attention to the # of people in their nation that has it. Could also be that while other places are doing lock downs, it appears to be lock down in your own home/hotel. Wuhan OTOH started dragging people out with symptoms and putting them side by side in high school gyms which also didn't have sufficient sanitation like hand washing, bathroom access etc. -- that has got to up the numbers bc some % of people with regular colds were bound to catch it.

Viruses just plain mutate. It is their entire purpose: hijack host and reproduce profligately, mutating along the way. That’s not the whole story, obviously, but sometimes mutations can happen very quickly.

[Anonymous]

Those of you suggesting stocking food - you should always have at least three months worth of emergency food and medicine. And several weeks worth of water. More if you have the space. I’m not a crazy prepper. But I’ve been through several hurricanes. Those of us who had food, water, and medication were fine. Hot, uncomfortable, and bored. But not hungry, thirsty, or sick, I watched what happened in NOLA because people could not take care of themselves. We tend to believe the government will always step in and save us. Sometimes they simply cannot. Earthquakes, terrorism, flooding, hurricanes, snow storms, etc. happen. If you are always prepared, it’s a whole lot easier. Even the relatively minor stuff is easier to deal with when you are prepared. When my DH was overseas, all my kids got flu. And then I got sick. I had plenty of food and medication in the house. I’m not sure what I would have done otherwise. We didn’t have the option of grocery delivery in our area. When we have snow in the forecast, I watch people flood the grocery stores and wonder why the heck they do this every single time. Being prepared is part of being a responsible adult. Keep your gas tank at least half full. Have food, water, and medication. And have a plan. It’s really that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Indian-American, we use lots of lentils and beans anyway. PPs suggesting beans, lentils and rice are spot in, that’s what we did 2 weeks back, stocked the pantry with 2 large 20lb rice bags, lots of lentils, beans etc. I also stocked pasta, dried milk, tomato sauce in cans, ginger/garlic paste because I wouldn’t want to go out and pick fresh.

I hope and pray things remain okay and this will all be for nothing but we have 2 little kids so I owe it to them to prepare.

Do not overdo on lentils, in moderation they are fine but watch for sensitivities, some people are just as sensitive to them as others to gluten. They contain lectins that may promote inflammation and damage the gut in those individuals, contributing to conditions such as IBS and brain fog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you suggesting stocking food - you should always have at least three months worth of emergency food and medicine. And several weeks worth of water. More if you have the space. I’m not a crazy prepper. But I’ve been through several hurricanes. Those of us who had food, water, and medication were fine. Hot, uncomfortable, and bored. But not hungry, thirsty, or sick, I watched what happened in NOLA because people could not take care of themselves. We tend to believe the government will always step in and save us. Sometimes they simply cannot. Earthquakes, terrorism, flooding, hurricanes, snow storms, etc. happen. If you are always prepared, it’s a whole lot easier. Even the relatively minor stuff is easier to deal with when you are prepared. When my DH was overseas, all my kids got flu. And then I got sick. I had plenty of food and medication in the house. I’m not sure what I would have done otherwise. We didn’t have the option of grocery delivery in our area. When we have snow in the forecast, I watch people flood the grocery stores and wonder why the heck they do this every single time. Being prepared is part of being a responsible adult. Keep your gas tank at least half full. Have food, water, and medication. And have a plan. It’s really that simple.

I think you meany three days worth, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CNBC is reporting a traveler from China has tested positive for the new Wuhan coronavirus that has killed 6 so far an infected nearly 300.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/cdc-to-announce-first-us-case-of-china-coronavirus-that-has-killed-6-cnn-reports.html

This was the first post of the thread on Jan 21.

300 cases reported and 6 deaths.

one month later

78,766 cases and 2,461 deaths. And that is with severe countermeasures being taken such as cordon sanitaire around Hubei Province.

This is just one way to look at it because if there was any consistency in Chinese case study then we would see
the same uptick in the rest of the world. Meanwhile.. The world started a month ago with ZERO cases one month ago

and one month later

Coronavirus cases outside of China on Saturday
Total cases: 1200
Deaths: 8
In: 26 countries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So far Coronavirus case outside of China have a very low mortality rate. Much much much lower then SARS and MERS. It is 1 death in 150 cases. It is not even one percent. Of course that those poor eight people are not a horrible and tragic loss. Yet those numbers are indicating that perhaps the healthcare or weather or something is at play that people are doing better. Also, possibly many cases are relatively new so the disease is taking it's course and outcome is not yet know, however at this moment this is what it is.

Coronavirus cases outside of China on Saturday
Total cases: 1200
Deaths: 8
In: 26 countries

For anyone who knows anything about viruses -- do viruses behave differently in different "geographies?" Like is a virus born in China more at home in China's climate and then weakens as it travels; it can't just be about temperature because temps are likely pretty hot in Singapore and this is going strong. But is it possible it needs a specific temp range + humidity or pollution level or something and then when it gets to a wildly different place, the virus weakens?

I mean the variances across the world could be anything -- maybe it's simply that other countries are not yet out of vents/respirators and can dedicate their full medical attention to the # of people in their nation that has it. Could also be that while other places are doing lock downs, it appears to be lock down in your own home/hotel. Wuhan OTOH started dragging people out with symptoms and putting them side by side in high school gyms which also didn't have sufficient sanitation like hand washing, bathroom access etc. -- that has got to up the numbers bc some % of people with regular colds were bound to catch it.

Viruses just plain mutate. It is their entire purpose: hijack host and reproduce profligately, mutating along the way. That’s not the whole story, obviously, but sometimes mutations can happen very quickly.

Yes, of course they do mutate but what self-respected virus would mutate that fast? It really seems like they are out of element when they go very far from the place they originated. Sure they have some momentum and the like-weather seems to help if they travel to similar climate as one they started in but who knows?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something everyone can do is to stock up on enough food, prescriptions, household supplies, etc to be able to hunker down in your home for a few weeks.

Just try to imagine what the reaction would be if there were a cluster of cases in the DMV like there was in that S. Korean city. What would happen? Schools closed? Government offices close? Metro close?

I honestly don't know - but I'm going to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

We live paycheck to paycheck and just had a huge car expense. We only have enough money to buy groceries a week in advance. What should we do? I’m kinda nervous.

This is just not necessary. Even people in Wuhan are still able to order food and groceries for delivery and are allowed to visit the store as necessary. No need to hoard supplies with so few cases in this country right now. The likelihood of being unable to leave the house is just not in the realm of possibility right now.

I was trying to find some supportive data on this and can not. Only see the opposite. When you look on Tweeter there is nothing there or in any other media showing any deliveries happening. I would assume if that was the case we would all see them by now in all media. There is a talk that people can leave one person per household a day but the streets are being shown empty and stores closed so where are those people who are going out and where do they shop?
What is going in Italy or other places on lockdown? Who is providing supplies. Who supplies the people who are on self or imposed quarantine here in US? What if someone has no means to order delivery? Does the CDC help with this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Italy now has 77 cases.

57 new cases today alone. Italy now has more cases than Hong Kong. It is said that the high number is due to intensive testing.

Anyone have a quick answer on how it spread to Italy?

Yes. The page 329 of this thread is your friend. There is a whole theory how did it get there via border with France since the Ski Chalet is a stone throw form Italian border, from there to two Italian provinces and now just a matter of travel...
see post on page 329 of this thread. You can just put the number in search window below this page and press go and
it will take you there..

[Anonymous]

I guess the question is not if people can go out to pick groceries or not, the question is that in a situation like that, why would you want to go out? That’s where preparation and planning comes into play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess the question is not if people can go out to pick groceries or not, the question is that in a situation like that, why would you want to go out? That’s where preparation and planning comes into play.

Or if the stores will be open or stocked. Will people still go to work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess the question is not if people can go out to pick groceries or not, the question is that in a situation like that, why would you want to go out? That’s where preparation and planning comes into play.

You are arriving from the position of comfort. Imagine how many people has absolutely no knowledge what is going on with the virus. Ask few random people. Not everyone knows. Then you got sick people who have all kinds of conditions and do not leave the house, then you have people busy with kids and head full of other things. When you look at Italy, do you think it gave anyone time to prepare and plan? Not everyone plans and there will be always people caught by surprise and needing outside help.

[Anonymous]

Just an FYI. Ever State has quite a few people under voluntary quarantine right now. I just saw today’s paper that said the Health Dept for my state has 325 folks doing that right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess the question is not if people can go out to pick groceries or not, the question is that in a situation like that, why would you want to go out? That’s where preparation and planning comes into play.

Or if the stores will be open or stocked. Will people still go to work?

When they close they close. Italy closed stores and businesses. CDC in their preparedness plan also talk about eventuality that would include store closings. Would you like to go to work at the store when the whole city would be on lock down and be exposed to potential cases?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess the question is not if people can go out to pick groceries or not, the question is that in a situation like that, why would you want to go out? That’s where preparation and planning comes into play.

Or if the stores will be open or stocked. Will people still go to work?

This could quickly become an economic crisis here...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just an FYI. Ever State has quite a few people under voluntary quarantine right now. I just saw today’s paper that said the Health Dept for my state has 325 folks doing that right now.

Don't say! So where is the rest? We have heard that all people arriving from China have to go to voluntary isolation for two weeks? Planes keep coming and we have like 325 folks? So what are they flying here via? Cessnas?