NYT article on LCPS high school re: racism

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Thank OP for bringing this article to my attention. I may have my 10 year old read it. This cautionary tale might make more impression than just a parent lecture.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I empathize more strongly with the young man. I can only imagine what it is like being in a minority that is treated this way, watching your classmates use this language, and seeing no consequences for the people doing it. He was hurt and guess what, hurt and angry people lash out. Y’all are just mad at him because his gambit worked and for once a white student DID have to contend with the consequences of her actions. I hope this is a lesson to other white kids that what you put on the internet will follow you.

That’s how I feel. She is clearly a proxy for how whiteness has hurt him his whole life. Imagine being Black and growing up in river creek with a bunch of racist White people. That had to be so painful. Nobody empathizes with that though. Only with her. Because they know that could be their daughter but they don’t see anything of themselves or their kids in Jimmy. It’s sad. Her consequences actually were minor. She will be just fine. And it never would have happened had she a) not said it to begin with and b) didn’t front as a BLM as pays this summer when he knew damn well how she really was.

What is your race? Let me guess, you are a self loathing white person and a RACIST.


So any person who sees the situation differently than you is self hating?. This debate is so telling. You identify with this girl because you think she could be you or your daughter. There is no humanity in this half white half black boy in your eyes -who would never be accepted as white by the way. He doesn't look like you so there is no reflection on your part about why he did what he did or any empathy for him. There is something wrong with only being able to identify with people who look like you. Can you see how that is a problem?. Can you see that being in a country where most elected officials, most people who hold positions of power are white and think and feel like you do creates a really difficult world for those who are not?. This is literally why when a white woman goes missing it gets so much media attention, the majority of the country is white and can only identify with a person who looks like them. If you sit on a jury it's easier to vote guilty when a black person is accused because they look like the other and you can't imagine them being your son or brother etc. This thread is systemic racism in real time.

Nothing was done to Jimmy Galligan, there is nothing to sympathize with. He is the perpetrator, not the victim. This kid must be so soft, I am not sure whether he could handle anything being done to him. I grew up a brown immigrant in the USA, had many slurs directed at me & some fights as well - not a Snap Chat of rap lyrics. I would have never wanted to deny a college admission to any of those kids for what they did when they were youth or teenagers. Apparently what really set this kid off is the girl posting something supporting Black Lives Matter - how messed up is that.

Don’t try to appropriate the negative experience of black people in this country and excuse white people’s nasty behavior “brown person.” Of what the young man said is true and this issue was never treated with any seriousness at all then he had a right to be angry and you don’t have a right to diminish his experience. It’s not right to be vengeful but sometimes that’s what happens to persecuted people.

-another brown person.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ it’s true!! You can’t go anywhere as safe and nice as where white people run things. That’s why all races desperately try to get there to improve their lives. End of story.

Go to the south. Go to West VA. Go to Frederick. Go to Whitman.

Go look at UCR data from the FBI. Black people are the biggest (disproportionately) offenders for hate crimes.

Not saying that any one race is more racist than the next....just sayin

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I empathize more strongly with the young man. I can only imagine what it is like being in a minority that is treated this way, watching your classmates use this language, and seeing no consequences for the people doing it. He was hurt and guess what, hurt and angry people lash out. Y’all are just mad at him because his gambit worked and for once a white student DID have to contend with the consequences of her actions. I hope this is a lesson to other white kids that what you put on the internet will follow you.

That’s how I feel. She is clearly a proxy for how whiteness has hurt him his whole life. Imagine being Black and growing up in river creek with a bunch of racist White people. That had to be so painful. Nobody empathizes with that though. Only with her. Because they know that could be their daughter but they don’t see anything of themselves or their kids in Jimmy. It’s sad. Her consequences actually were minor. She will be just fine. And it never would have happened had she a) not said it to begin with and b) didn’t front as a BLM as pays this summer when he knew damn well how she really was.

What is your race? Let me guess, you are a self loathing white person and a RACIST.


So any person who sees the situation differently than you is self hating?. This debate is so telling. You identify with this girl because you think she could be you or your daughter. There is no humanity in this half white half black boy in your eyes -who would never be accepted as white by the way. He doesn't look like you so there is no reflection on your part about why he did what he did or any empathy for him. There is something wrong with only being able to identify with people who look like you. Can you see how that is a problem?. Can you see that being in a country where most elected officials, most people who hold positions of power are white and think and feel like you do creates a really difficult world for those who are not?. This is literally why when a white woman goes missing it gets so much media attention, the majority of the country is white and can only identify with a person who looks like them. If you sit on a jury it's easier to vote guilty when a black person is accused because they look like the other and you can't imagine them being your son or brother etc. This thread is systemic racism in real time.

Nothing was done to Jimmy Galligan, there is nothing to sympathize with. He is the perpetrator, not the victim. This kid must be so soft, I am not sure whether he could handle anything being done to him. I grew up a brown immigrant in the USA, had many slurs directed at me & some fights as well - not a Snap Chat of rap lyrics. I would have never wanted to deny a college admission to any of those kids for what they did when they were youth or teenagers. Apparently what really set this kid off is the girl posting something supporting Black Lives Matter - how messed up is that.

Don’t try to appropriate the negative experience of black people in this country and excuse white people’s nasty behavior “brown person.” Of what the young man said is true and this issue was never treated with any seriousness at all then he had a right to be angry and you don’t have a right to diminish his experience. It’s not right to be vengeful but sometimes that’s what happens to persecuted people.

-another brown person.

It's 2020, my brother. Time to stop with the persecution rhetoric and think positive!

[Anonymous]

The NYT makes Leesburg sound like some backwards place. I don’t know whether to lol at the Loudoun Moms who think their community is so posh or be slightly dismayed by New York’s disdain for DC/Nova.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I empathize more strongly with the young man. I can only imagine what it is like being in a minority that is treated this way, watching your classmates use this language, and seeing no consequences for the people doing it. He was hurt and guess what, hurt and angry people lash out. Y’all are just mad at him because his gambit worked and for once a white student DID have to contend with the consequences of her actions. I hope this is a lesson to other white kids that what you put on the internet will follow you.

That’s how I feel. She is clearly a proxy for how whiteness has hurt him his whole life. Imagine being Black and growing up in river creek with a bunch of racist White people. That had to be so painful. Nobody empathizes with that though. Only with her. Because they know that could be their daughter but they don’t see anything of themselves or their kids in Jimmy. It’s sad. Her consequences actually were minor. She will be just fine. And it never would have happened had she a) not said it to begin with and b) didn’t front as a BLM as pays this summer when he knew damn well how she really was.

What is your race? Let me guess, you are a self loathing white person and a RACIST.


So any person who sees the situation differently than you is self hating?. This debate is so telling. You identify with this girl because you think she could be you or your daughter. There is no humanity in this half white half black boy in your eyes -who would never be accepted as white by the way. He doesn't look like you so there is no reflection on your part about why he did what he did or any empathy for him. There is something wrong with only being able to identify with people who look like you. Can you see how that is a problem?. Can you see that being in a country where most elected officials, most people who hold positions of power are white and think and feel like you do creates a really difficult world for those who are not?. This is literally why when a white woman goes missing it gets so much media attention, the majority of the country is white and can only identify with a person who looks like them. If you sit on a jury it's easier to vote guilty when a black person is accused because they look like the other and you can't imagine them being your son or brother etc. This thread is systemic racism in real time.

Nothing was done to Jimmy Galligan, there is nothing to sympathize with. He is the perpetrator, not the victim. This kid must be so soft, I am not sure whether he could handle anything being done to him. I grew up a brown immigrant in the USA, had many slurs directed at me & some fights as well - not a Snap Chat of rap lyrics. I would have never wanted to deny a college admission to any of those kids for what they did when they were youth or teenagers. Apparently what really set this kid off is the girl posting something supporting Black Lives Matter - how messed up is that.

Don’t try to appropriate the negative experience of black people in this country and excuse white people’s nasty behavior “brown person.” Of what the young man said is true and this issue was never treated with any seriousness at all then he had a right to be angry and you don’t have a right to diminish his experience. It’s not right to be vengeful but sometimes that’s what happens to persecuted people.

-another brown person.

Even if you credit Jimmy Galligan's account, and I'm not sure I do, his response was inappropriate and random. He could have put together a clip airing his grievances against the Heritage administration; instead, he singled out a girl and attacked her for something she'd done three years earlier. That is stalker/psychopath behavior and he deserves every criticism that is now coming his way. His parents should be ashamed of their son.

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Anonymous wrote:Y’all are gonna sit here in damn near 2021 and blame your stupid white kids being racist on rap. JUST TEACH THEM NOT TO SAY THE N WORD IT ISNT HARD

You’re right, it is almost 2021. When are you going to start calling out rappers? Ever? Or do they get a pass for some reason?

So to be clear, it is rappers fault your child throws out the n word and every other vulgar word. Your child cannot help what comes out of their mouth. In that same manner, video games and tv are to blame for your child crashing cars, stealing, drinking, cheating and everything else they might do, correct?

Sorry, what? That’s quite a leap, but not unexpected from someone who truly seems unhinged. My kids don’t do any of the above (do yours?). And if they did, of course it would be their fault. But it’s amusing that you so freely condemn some white kid for using the n-word but are perfectly fine with rappers using that and other vile words. No hypocrisy there at all.

Nope trying to blame rappers for what comes out of kids mouth is a leap. The issue isn’t rappers unless they are making kids say the n word. Are kids unable to control what comes out of their mouth or what they do?

Still waiting for you to condemn rappers, their use of the n-word, and their denigration of women. But you refuse to, which means you support them. What a great parent you must be.

Still waiting for you to acknowledge that kids have control over what comes out of their mouths. But you refuse to, which means you support sh*tty parenting and blaming everyone else.

Of course I acknowledge that people have control over what comes out of their mouths. Not one person is defending the girl, but rather pointing out your blatant hypocrisy for treating her like a criminal for uttering the n-word, yet not saying anything at all against rappers and others who use the word all.the.time. You seem to have zero grasp of reality.

Are you willfully obtuse?! Several posters, including yourself, are defending this girl. You are desperately trying to shift the blame off her and anywhere else. The person responsible for this girl saying the n word is herself. She said it happily. She posted it on Tic Toc. Rappers didn’t make this girl say the n word. In fact you don’t even know if she listens to rap. All you know is that she uses a vile, racist slur in her daily vocabulary. She’s so comfortable using the word that she recorded herself and posted it for everyone to see.

Did she direct the slur at anyone? Nope. Did she use it maliciously? Nope. Did she later grow up and change (for the better)? Yep.

Should she have used it in the first place? Of course not. It’s vile. But he could just as easily have confronted her privately - you know, like he did with his father - and not viciously outed her on social media. But I get that because she’s a middle class white girl, she deserves the public shaming and forced withdrawal of her college acceptance because of a three-second video. Totally proportionate punishment.

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Anonymous wrote:When you say the N word as a white person, you are literally demeaning an entire race of people. If you’re a grown adult raising kids and you don’t know or understand that, you are a problem.

No you aren't.

Also that is so racist that it implies that an entire race of people can't distinguish between singular and plural.

Omg shut up . You and your bratty kids can say it all you want but people get to decide how to respond to you when you do.

What is it that we teach children?

Oh yeah, sticks and stones....

Naw apparently some of you teach your kids it’s okay to say the N word because it’s somehow not racist

I find it bizarre that you keep repeating parents are “teaching” their kids it’s ok to use this word. Do you actually know any teenagers? If you did, you’d know they do exactly the opposite of what their parents tell them to do - all the time. Teens are dumb and make poor choices. Parents can lecture their children all day long about never using the n-word (or smoking, drinking, having sex, etc.). Do you honestly believe most teens avoid these things, because *their parents said so*?? If so, you are beyond naive, bordering on stupid. And one day, your kids are going to do something that humiliates you, something you thought you’d taught them never to do. If you’re really lucky, no one will capture it on video.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently POC actually think that wealthy white people in northern Virginia are teaching their children to use the n-word. I have had the n-word discussion with my children but will definitely have to have more talks about social media and avoiding angry men like the one in the article. His YouTube video harassing the girl and threatening to "expose" her for calling him dumb seems a little incel. Does he target girls that don't want to go to prom or something?

Both of the young people in this story are 18. But you label one a man, and one a girl.

This, of course, is part and parcel of a narrative in which Black boys are vilifiied and assumed to be much older than they actually are. This also feeds into the white girl as victim mentality - the very same narrative that got Emmett Till murderered.

I wasn't aware Emmett Till went around town gloating about ruining a 15 year old girl's life.

Again. These two young people are the same age. Both are recent HS graduates, already in college.

The PP referring to the “girl” was talking about the girl in the video he shot of himself and two friends in his car. He threatened to “expose” her publicly for calling him dumb. He seems like a complete ahole.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently POC actually think that wealthy white people in northern Virginia are teaching their children to use the n-word. I have had the n-word discussion with my children but will definitely have to have more talks about social media and avoiding angry men like the one in the article. His YouTube video harassing the girl and threatening to "expose" her for calling him dumb seems a little incel. Does he target girls that don't want to go to prom or something?

They are the same age, why is he a "man" while she is a "girl"? And equating not going to prom with someone with the use of a word he views as a racial slur speaks volumes about you, not him. If he had said misogynistic things and she called him out, would she be an "angry woman" targeting a poor boy? Or would she be a poor girl defending herself from a misogynistic angry man? I'm guessing, based on your post, the latter.

JFC, pay attention. The PP was referring to his YouTube video with a different high school GIRL.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently POC actually think that wealthy white people in northern Virginia are teaching their children to use the n-word. I have had the n-word discussion with my children but will definitely have to have more talks about social media and avoiding angry men like the one in the article. His YouTube video harassing the girl and threatening to "expose" her for calling him dumb seems a little incel. Does he target girls that don't want to go to prom or something?

They are the same age, why is he a "man" while she is a "girl"? And equating not going to prom with someone with the use of a word he views as a racial slur speaks volumes about you, not him. If he had said misogynistic things and she called him out, would she be an "angry woman" targeting a poor boy? Or would she be a poor girl defending herself from a misogynistic angry man? I'm guessing, based on your post, the latter.

JFC, pay attention. The PP was referring to his YouTube video with a different high school GIRL.
DP

Many of you might be too new to NoVa to remember this one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1995/07/16/brentsville-team-effort-individual-shame/1b38e0ca-38b1-40b5-8de6-62c5925568fe/

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I empathize more strongly with the young man. I can only imagine what it is like being in a minority that is treated this way, watching your classmates use this language, and seeing no consequences for the people doing it. He was hurt and guess what, hurt and angry people lash out. Y’all are just mad at him because his gambit worked and for once a white student DID have to contend with the consequences of her actions. I hope this is a lesson to other white kids that what you put on the internet will follow you.

That’s how I feel. She is clearly a proxy for how whiteness has hurt him his whole life. Imagine being Black and growing up in river creek with a bunch of racist White people. That had to be so painful. Nobody empathizes with that though. Only with her. Because they know that could be their daughter but they don’t see anything of themselves or their kids in Jimmy. It’s sad. Her consequences actually were minor. She will be just fine. And it never would have happened had she a) not said it to begin with and b) didn’t front as a BLM as pays this summer when he knew damn well how she really was.

What is your race? Let me guess, you are a self loathing white person and a RACIST.


So any person who sees the situation differently than you is self hating?. This debate is so telling. You identify with this girl because you think she could be you or your daughter. There is no humanity in this half white half black boy in your eyes -who would never be accepted as white by the way. He doesn't look like you so there is no reflection on your part about why he did what he did or any empathy for him. There is something wrong with only being able to identify with people who look like you. Can you see how that is a problem?. Can you see that being in a country where most elected officials, most people who hold positions of power are white and think and feel like you do creates a really difficult world for those who are not?. This is literally why when a white woman goes missing it gets so much media attention, the majority of the country is white and can only identify with a person who looks like them. If you sit on a jury it's easier to vote guilty when a black person is accused because they look like the other and you can't imagine them being your son or brother etc. This thread is systemic racism in real time.

Nothing was done to Jimmy Galligan, there is nothing to sympathize with. He is the perpetrator, not the victim. This kid must be so soft, I am not sure whether he could handle anything being done to him. I grew up a brown immigrant in the USA, had many slurs directed at me & some fights as well - not a Snap Chat of rap lyrics. I would have never wanted to deny a college admission to any of those kids for what they did when they were youth or teenagers. Apparently what really set this kid off is the girl posting something supporting Black Lives Matter - how messed up is that.

Don’t try to appropriate the negative experience of black people in this country and excuse white people’s nasty behavior “brown person.” Of what the young man said is true and this issue was never treated with any seriousness at all then he had a right to be angry and you don’t have a right to diminish his experience. It’s not right to be vengeful but sometimes that’s what happens to persecuted people.

-another brown person.

Even if you credit Jimmy Galligan's account, and I'm not sure I do, his response was inappropriate and random. He could have put together a clip airing his grievances against the Heritage administration; instead, he singled out a girl and attacked her for something she'd done three years earlier. That is stalker/psychopath behavior and he deserves every criticism that is now coming his way. His parents should be ashamed of their son.

Umm. He is in high school. Sometimes teenagers don’t know how to launch a savvy media campaign and instead lash out. Get a grip.

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I'm so glad I'm not a kid these days. I did some stupid things when I was growing up. Granted not anything racist. But still, I'd hate to have something like a video clip haunting me for the rest of my life.

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Anonymous wrote:This conversation has really veered in the wrong direction.

Fellow white people, we can’t use the word. Ever.

The girl was definitely old enough to know better. I knew it was a bad word in grammar school.

Should she have her college admission revoked because of a mistake she made as a 15 yo? I don’t think so, especially because she apologized for saying the word well before this boy brought it up again. She will recover though.

The boy also made a huge mistake by holding onto the clip for a year, waiting until he could inflict maximum damage. His other social media postings show that he isn’t a very nice person.

I’m not rooting for this, but it’s a fact that he will also pay for his choices.

I’m not defending her (and you people saying that it’s ok for white people to say it because rappers say it are seriously off your rocker), but pointing out that he is no gem.

I agree with you. Except on one point. NO ONE has said that because rappers use it, then it’s ok for anyone to use it. What has been pointed out is that it’s unbelievably hypocritical that the same people saying how “awful” this girl is for uttering that word, refuse to ALSO condemn rappers who use the n-word - as well as horrifically misogynistic language. Somehow, they get a pass from the same people who are happy to see a teenager publicly shamed for making a stupid choice as a 15 year old. That doesn’t sit right, to say the least.

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Anonymous wrote:We should not be teaching our children to be vengeful. The actions of Mr. Milligan were meant to seek revenge. This will not go far to cure racism. It instead, however wrong, foments anger and more hatred. Revenge is not the way to go to rid our society of racism. And calling people racists for disagreeing with Mr. Milligan’s actions is wry weak.

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He could have privately confronted her, if he felt the need. I would be deeply ashamed of my kid, whether it was the one who uttered the n-word or the one who decided to shame someone on social media.