Bafta awards controversy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's unfortunate that this incident is actively bringing the entire TS community down. The movie had GREAT reception, bringing awareness of the condition, bringing positive dialogue. Now it's completely negative, honestly probably more so than before. It's set the movement towards acceptance and understanding back significantly.

True. I think a lot of the reaction is BBC's actions what they chose to edit out versus air. They could have a should have censored that the same way they censored other things. They should apologize as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just step outside if he's having a moment.

He eventually did. I think they were trying to prove a point since his other outbursts were tolerated until this last one and it seems like even he realized a line was crossed and he left. There are limits to people's tolerance and I think we can see where the line is.

Okay I didn't realize he stepped out. I think the best move now is to issue a public apology.

He stepped out after he yelled 9 swears/slurs, including homophobic. Not soon enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's unfortunate that this incident is actively bringing the entire TS community down. The movie had GREAT reception, bringing awareness of the condition, bringing positive dialogue. Now it's completely negative, honestly probably more so than before. It's set the movement towards acceptance and understanding back significantly.

True. I think a lot of the reaction is BBC's actions what they chose to edit out versus air. They could have a should have censored that the same way they censored other things. They should apologize as well

No, they shouldn't have censored what he said. The whole point of his being there is for people to learn about this condition and make it so people with his condition can be in public spaces without people freaking out about it.

They also shouldn't have censored "Free Palestine" but at least one could argue that the event wasn't about Palestine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

This has been said multiple times, but I’ll try again. It is possible to both take his condition seriously AND expect that apologies are warranted for behavior that negatively impacts other people. Peace out. But keep in mind that people who don’t apologize or take responsibility for their behavior will then have to deal with the consequences of said behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

DP, but he's bringing majorly bad publicity to people with tourettes. He should apologize and start reshaping the narrative. His refusal (I mean he did apologize but it was a huge nothing burger) just hurts other people with tourettes who will now face the backlash because of him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

DP, but he's bringing majorly bad publicity to people with tourettes. He should apologize and start reshaping the narrative. His refusal (I mean he did apologize but it was a huge nothing burger) just hurts other people with tourettes who will now face the backlash because of him.

Yeah, this controversy isn't helping tourettes advocacy, it's just making me think they're super annoying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

DP, but he's bringing majorly bad publicity to people with tourettes. He should apologize and start reshaping the narrative. His refusal (I mean he did apologize but it was a huge nothing burger) just hurts other people with tourettes who will now face the backlash because of him.

Yeah, this controversy isn't helping tourettes advocacy, it's just making me think they're super annoying.

It's really unfortunate. He wants to be a role model and activist, but it's doing quite the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's unfortunate that this incident is actively bringing the entire TS community down. The movie had GREAT reception, bringing awareness of the condition, bringing positive dialogue. Now it's completely negative, honestly probably more so than before. It's set the movement towards acceptance and understanding back significantly.

True. I think a lot of the reaction is BBC's actions what they chose to edit out versus air. They could have a should have censored that the same way they censored other things. They should apologize as well

No, they shouldn't have censored what he said. The whole point of his being there is for people to learn about this condition and make it so people with his condition can be in public spaces without people freaking out about it.

They also shouldn't have censored "Free Palestine" but at least one could argue that the event wasn't about Palestine.

Having a condition doesn't mean you can be absolved of abusive behavior

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

DP, but he's bringing majorly bad publicity to people with tourettes. He should apologize and start reshaping the narrative. His refusal (I mean he did apologize but it was a huge nothing burger) just hurts other people with tourettes who will now face the backlash because of him.

Yeah, this controversy isn't helping tourettes advocacy, it's just making me think they're super annoying.

It's really unfortunate. He wants to be a role model and activist, but it's doing quite the opposite.

I don't think he wants that. I think he wants to be able to say hurtful things and then say you can't be hurt by that it's not my fault I'm disabled and if you're hurt or say I should apologize you're an ableist bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

DP, but he's bringing majorly bad publicity to people with tourettes. He should apologize and start reshaping the narrative. His refusal (I mean he did apologize but it was a huge nothing burger) just hurts other people with tourettes who will now face the backlash because of him.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

DP, but he's bringing majorly bad publicity to people with tourettes. He should apologize and start reshaping the narrative. His refusal (I mean he did apologize but it was a huge nothing burger) just hurts other people with tourettes who will now face the backlash because of him.

Yeah, this controversy isn't helping tourettes advocacy, it's just making me think they're super annoying.

It's really unfortunate. He wants to be a role model and activist, but it's doing quite the opposite.

I don't think he wants that. I think he wants to be able to say hurtful things and then say you can't be hurt by that it's not my fault I'm disabled and if you're hurt or say I should apologize you're an ableist bigot.

It’s your unprofessional opinion that he wants to do these things. Others say it’s involuntary. But he does do these things and he’s not apologetic about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

1. I do take the condition seriously.
2. His behavior is just reinforcing the idea that people with Tourettes just use the condition to be aholes.
3. You aren't a hole for having a disability.
4. You are an ahole when you do something hurtful to others and use your disability to excuse yourself from apologizing for the hurt
5. Really this is about you feeling that gay people and black people are too easily offended and they should just get over it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ What’s really happening right now is not about Tourette’s. This ain’t about a neurological tic. It’s about protecting whiteness. It’s about what jumps into formation the second whiteness feels exposed. What we’re witnessing is the full machinery revving up. The sympathy. The soft language. The “let’s be fair.” The calls for compassion. The think pieces. The tone policing. The accusations of ableism. All to make sure the spotlight moves off the rot and back onto our reaction.

Because the real crisis, in their eyes, isn’t that the word came out of that white man’s mouth three times in the same night. It’s that we’re refusing to pretend like it didn’t mean anything. That’s what they’re protecting. Not a diagnosis. A narrative. The narrative that racism is rare. That it is located elsewhere in something more extreme. That it is accidental. A glitch. Not a feature and not part of who they are.”

https://newsone.com/6850861/black-people-dont-have-accept-john-davidson-apology/#comments

Thank you!
There's no reason he can't issue a formal apology.
Having a disability the particular one he has doesn't make you incapable of empathy.
Further language is learned we are not preprogrammed knowing offensive language so perhaps it isn't his fault he acquired that specific language as a child but he most certainly knows how offensive it is now. He also should know that intentions doesn't relate to if an apology is needed.
We all do things we don't mean to do yet we recognize the harm it's caused and apologize.
Further apologizing here would actually make him more empathetic people more likely to take his condition seriously.
But instead he chooses the poor me I can't help it eff everyone else .

I'm curious if his excuses would say they same if his remarks were offensive to another group.
I'm actually curious if his offensive language extends to any other groups.

Disagree. Why does he have to apologize for you to take the condition seriously? There is an entire movie about his condition! How about those who are offended take the time to watch the movie and learn?

DP, but he's bringing majorly bad publicity to people with tourettes. He should apologize and start reshaping the narrative. His refusal (I mean he did apologize but it was a huge nothing burger) just hurts other people with tourettes who will now face the backlash because of him.

Yeah, this controversy isn't helping tourettes advocacy, it's just making me think they're super annoying.

It's really unfortunate. He wants to be a role model and activist, but it's doing quite the opposite.

I don't think he wants that. I think he wants to be able to say hurtful things and then say you can't be hurt by that it's not my fault I'm disabled and if you're hurt or say I should apologize you're an ableist bigot.

It’s your unprofessional opinion that he wants to do these things. Others say it’s involuntary. But he does do these things and he’s not apologetic about it.

If he didn't want to do these things he would apologize sincerely otherwise it seems like he likes to get to use abusive language and claim disability afterwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not just step outside if he's having a moment.

He eventually did. I think they were trying to prove a point since his other outbursts were tolerated until this last one and it seems like even he realized a line was crossed and he left. There are limits to people's tolerance and I think we can see where the line is.

Okay I didn't realize he stepped out. I think the best move now is to issue a public apology.

He stepped out at some point but not immediately after shouting the N word. He also then attended the dinner after where he called the Sinners costume director the N word. So let’s not pretend he realized he crossed a line.