Bafta awards controversy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

That's where the ablism comes in.

Sounds like they should not have aired it, the dude should apologize, and the black men should accept the apology.

At this point, the harm isn’t limited to just those two men and the woman he yelled it at. It also extends to people who watched the televised program that edited out certain political statements, but left in the racial slur.

[Anonymous]

If he had been addicted to nicotine and he lit up there’d be no shortage of people volunteering to be on the firing squad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can understand the gentleman with Tourette's being unable to control his outbursts.

I can understand black people being offended.

I CANNOT understand the BAFTA producers and broadcast network making the deliberate choice to not edit the clip and remove those outbursts. Seems like a conscience decision to get the current visibility to the detriment of John Davidson, Delray Lindo, Michael B. Jordan, black people and folks with Tourettes.

+1

[Anonymous]

No matter which side you pick you're wrong so just ignore and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

That's where the ablism comes in.

Sounds like they should not have aired it, the dude should apologize, and the black men should accept the apology.

At this point, the harm isn’t limited to just those two men and the woman he yelled it at. It also extends to people who watched the televised program that edited out certain political statements, but left in the racial slur.

The production should apologize also.

[Anonymous]

It was important for the person with Tourette’s to attend because “I Swear,” a movie about him and his condition, was a BAFTA contender.

The whole point of the movie is that we should all give more grace to someone with Tourette’s and coprolalia - they shouldn’t have to avoid public venues and not live life. This same person had an unfortunate outburst when he was getting his MBE award from Queen Elizabeth. She knew about his condition and he was still invited to the ceremony.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n9709g0go

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was important for the person with Tourette’s to attend because “I Swear,” a movie about him and his condition, was a BAFTA contender.

The whole point of the movie is that we should all give more grace to someone with Tourette’s and coprolalia - they shouldn’t have to avoid public venues and not live life. This same person had an unfortunate outburst when he was getting his MBE award from Queen Elizabeth. She knew about his condition and he was still invited to the ceremony.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n9709g0go

They should've cut it during the delay bits that simple. Stop defending them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BAFTA's choice to air this is the biggest issue. They wanted the engagement of it at the expense of the 3 men involved.

They are on a delay and didn't air other moments (someone shouted about Free Palestine).

Copralalia by definition is involuntary and uncontrolled. That is why it is a disability.

The BAFTAs also didn’t say anything to the presenters after the fact. This was poorly handled. While we know after the fact, that this was a Tourette’s situation, they probably didn’t know it on stage. That is extremely uncomfortable and someone from the organization should have said something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BAFTA's choice to air this is the biggest issue. They wanted the engagement of it at the expense of the 3 men involved.

They are on a delay and didn't air other moments (someone shouted about Free Palestine).

Copralalia by definition is involuntary and uncontrolled. That is why it is a disability.

Exactly. All publicity is good publicity to them. They did not care about the ramifications those three would face by intentionally keeping the part in and not having someone personally check on them. Awful.

[Anonymous]

A Threads post from Dr. Blair Peters:

One of the worst things about Tourette's was the world constantly telling you to stop, to "just take a breath," when you had no control over your tics.

But here is what you did have: an understanding of what your tics are.

Yes, they change over time. Over days, weeks and months. Not seconds.
For prolonged periods, you know what your tics mainly consist of — vocal, motor, or otherwise. It is unlikely that a specific racial slur first presented as a vocal tic at this specific moment. If this was a tic, then this slur likely happened before.

People with disabilities should absolutely be included in all aspects of life. But disability cannot be used to justify blatant harm towards others.

Which raises the real question: If this was a known tic and a known risk - what was the plan?
Who was involved in making one? There were options. Events of this scale command extraordinary resources. This was avoidable.

The only person who truly knows of any intent behind this action is John himself. Given the harm caused, clarity is owed. As is an apology. From all involved in the planning (or lack thereof) that resulted in this unjustifiable outcome.

https://www.threads.com/@queersurgeon/post/DVFYBsEIE6r?xmt=AQF0oI_712qOV0Npnm6SnOZ3rcDlkbL4xUv7ba48HK-mFbGkSeQsfLFramegMQNrJ3D9BBs

[Anonymous]

He also did leave after saying the n word and watched the rest in a separate room.

BAFTA should have handled and managed it differently in many ways.

He had a right to be there given his movie is literally about this exact condition and the issues it causes. For the people there, this was a one time thing, for him, it is an everyday thing. Perhaps introducing and speaking to his movie at the start of the BAFTAs would have been a way to introduce the audience and to give context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He also did leave after saying the n word and watched the rest in a separate room.

BAFTA should have handled and managed it differently in many ways.

He had a right to be there given his movie is literally about this exact condition and the issues it causes. For the people there, this was a one time thing, for him, it is an everyday thing. Perhaps introducing and speaking to his movie at the start of the BAFTAs would have been a way to introduce the audience and to give context.

I don't think that's right. He said it AT LEAST three times that we've heard about. It's just not true to claim he got up and left as soon as he realized that's the form his tics would take that night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He also did leave after saying the n word and watched the rest in a separate room.

BAFTA should have handled and managed it differently in many ways.

He had a right to be there given his movie is literally about this exact condition and the issues it causes. For the people there, this was a one time thing, for him, it is an everyday thing. Perhaps introducing and speaking to his movie at the start of the BAFTAs would have been a way to introduce the audience and to give context.

He also attended the BAFTA Dinner after the show where he continued to use the racial slur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can understand the gentleman with Tourette's being unable to control his outbursts.

I can understand black people being offended.

I CANNOT understand the BAFTA producers and broadcast network making the deliberate choice to not edit the clip and remove those outbursts. Seems like a conscience decision to get the current visibility to the detriment of John Davidson, Delray Lindo, Michael B. Jordan, black people and folks with Tourettes.

Agree with all of this.

Also for the OP, please stop saying “blacks.” There were two Black actors on stage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If he had been addicted to nicotine and he lit up there’d be no shortage of people volunteering to be on the firing squad

Not the same.