Bafta awards controversy

[Anonymous]

Not sure where this goes, in entertainment or health. But the bayta awards were going on with a Scottish person who has Tourette’s shouted the N word while two black men were on stage. So all over the internet there’s a huge fight of racism vs ableism . I’m siding with the people saying it’s racist. He did it when two blacks were on stage and people are outraged anyone is upset. Imagine it had been a Holocaust event and he shouted “Hitler should have finished the job” . People furious for suggesting he shouldn’t attend events if he can’t control himself

[Anonymous]

So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

[Anonymous]

They actually aired this?

[Anonymous]

BAFTA's choice to air this is the biggest issue. They wanted the engagement of it at the expense of the 3 men involved.

They are on a delay and didn't air other moments (someone shouted about Free Palestine).

Copralalia by definition is involuntary and uncontrolled. That is why it is a disability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

[Anonymous]

I can understand the gentleman with Tourette's being unable to control his outbursts.

I can understand black people being offended.

I CANNOT understand the BAFTA producers and broadcast network making the deliberate choice to not edit the clip and remove those outbursts. Seems like a conscience decision to get the current visibility to the detriment of John Davidson, Delray Lindo, Michael B. Jordan, black people and folks with Tourettes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

That's where the ablism comes in.

Sounds like they should not have aired it, the dude should apologize, and the black men should accept the apology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

I will suggest it. If they can't be counted on to control their tics to the point it can become a disturbance to those involved, then of course they should not attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

I will suggest it. If they can't be counted on to control their tics to the point it can become a disturbance to those involved, then of course they should not attend.

but would that not be ableism? And apparently that’s worse than racism

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

I will suggest it. If they can't be counted on to control their tics to the point it can become a disturbance to those involved, then of course they should not attend.

but would that not be ableism? And apparently that’s worse than racism

Not sure if it is ableism. Don't really care.

[Anonymous]

Is it ableism to not allow untreated people with epilepsy drugs? Should blind people be able to drive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you're saying you don't understand the meaning of the word involuntary?

I think what everyone is hung up on is that this word had to have been in his thoughts. Seems stretchy to me.

So nobody can suggest someone like that should not attend golf tennis or chess matches?

I will suggest it. If they can't be counted on to control their tics to the point it can become a disturbance to those involved, then of course they should not attend.

IMO if this particular person has a history of doing this in public, it's fair not to invite him (just as it would be if he didn't have Tourette's and made comments like that). It would be ableism and unfair not to invite just because he has Tourette's and *might* do something like that.

[Anonymous]

It wasn’t just the one time.

[Anonymous]

He should have excused himself from the room when he first felt the urge to yell it. It was unfair to others.

I’ve left events when I felt coughing or sneezing coming on to not ruin it.

It’s not noble to harm already mistreated people to “bring awareness” to your own marginalization.

[Anonymous]

That's very sad. Tourette's is a blight of a disease! I don't understand it well - is the patient in the right state of mind to escort themselves out when they start, or not? I think that's the crux of the matter. If not, they should be politely escorted out by security.

I'm not going to attack the patient, but I do feel bad for the victims.