Van Hollen in El Salvador

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty incredible how the lefts voted into power pour in so much money and effort for noncitizens, right down to defending an undocumented individual who is likely a gang member. Imagine if they put that same energy into helping actual Americans. The irony is, they will not even lift a finger for fired left leaning government workers or vote against Trump’s budget bill. It’s "undocumented first," every time.

The very people who voted for these Democrats should feel completely betrayed. And let’s not forget another top priority for them: making sure biological men can compete in women’s sports. It is all part of the same strategy: expand their future voter base through colleges, visas, and immigration pathways. They do not even have to worry about keeping their current Democrat base happy because they know they will keep pushing that vote button no matter what.

I am a moderate and following this case not because I think this man is innocent but because I am concerned when our executive leadership does not follow our own laws, constitution, supreme court ruling. If you are fine with the executive not following the judiciary, that WILL bite you in the ass when it is a different party in power. It is noteworthy that other than the joke of Fox News, other conservative outlets such as National Review have written articles criticizing the Trump administration on this case.

It is not just Democrats who are concerned, and if you think that, you are not paying attention.

I agree. The lack of due process is appalling. But if we're talking politics, I think it's bad optics for Democratic senators to go to El Salvador and get wrapped up with this guy. He has MS-13 tattooed on his fingers for goodness sake. And he's a wife beater. Republicans are going to town on Democrats once again prioritizing criminals instead of victims. This guy is the wrong hill to die on.

1) it is irrelevant what tattoos he has, the only thing that is relevant is due process

2) the only allegation of Abrego Garcia being in a gang came from one Prince George's County police officer, who was later fired for misconduct

3) If you care about due process, please do not repeat irrelevant and discredited information, that no one in power actually believes to be true. I challenge you to spend five minutes on googling, using only center and conservative-leaning sources that are actually high on reliability scales (in other words, no FOX or less reliable than FOX)

[Anonymous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427b4L23yiA

Pretty good synopsis of what has occurred and the fact that El Salvador is not complying with international law to which it is a signatory country.

As Van Hollen said, we would like to have a good economic relationship with El Salvador. I think we hit them where it hurts if they don't return Abrego Garcia. Maryland has lots of people from El Salvador (as does Virginia). We cut off the ability for those people to send remittances back to their families. In about a week they will release Abrego Garcia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t just Democrats who are fighting for this guy; the courts are as well. The law is in his favor; he can’t be deported without due process.

Perhaps, but define due process? It's not clear what that entails. This was a political move by Bukele and helps Trump. Garcia will not be released by Bukele. The order of protection will likely be lifted based on official El Salvador statements that the country is much safer now and there is no risk of harm. The Trump administration will use its executive discretion to justify deportation (whatever the law or regulations allow). An immigration hearing will be held, likely at the US embassy, because Bukele will not allow Garcia to leave the country (and he has no diplomatic status). Remote hearings are allowed under current statute and regulations.

Bottom line, he will get his due process but likely never return to the US. The story will continue to dominate the news cycle, distracting from the tariff turmoil, and further allow Democrats to tie themselves to immigration as and issue for the mid terms in 2026.

He was seen by two separate courts in 2019 and they agreed he was deportable and not eligible for asylum.

He has had due process. There was an error sending him to El Salvador but to say he didn’t have due process as the illegal he is, is laughable.

Are you deliberately lying or just grossly misinformed?
"In order to justify the detention and potential deportation, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) submitted a Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS) to immigration court. According to Abrego Garcia’s petition last month, the GFIS police submitted explained that “the only reason to believe Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was a gang member was that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie; and that a confidential informant advised that he was an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique.” The “Western” clique of MS-13 “operates in Brentwood, Long Island, in New York, a state that Plaintiff Abrego Garcia has never lived in,” the petition read.

The Trump administration has insisted that because two immigration judges denied Abrego Garcia bail during his 2019 detention and asylum proceedings, he is an adjudicated member of MS-13. An immigration judge ultimately ruled that Abrego Garcia — who has consistently denied any gang affiliation — had provided “credible responses to the questions asked,” that his “testimony was internally consistent, externally consistent with his asylum application and other documents, and appeared free of embellishment,” and that “he provided substantial documentation buttressing his claims” of persecution in El Salvador by Barrio 18, which continued to harass members of his family who fled to Guatemala.
The judge imposed a “withholding from removal” order, which prohibited his deportation to El Salvador."
rollingstone.com

[Anonymous]

^ Migrants here remit more than $8 billion a year to El Salvador.

[Anonymous]

The official currency of El Salvador is the US dollar.

[Anonymous]

All these court documents are online PP. you don’t have to be lied to by Rolling Stone to understand the steps in this case. (For example Garcia wasn’t just seen by the “withholding” judge! This was a process that took many months and an appeals court was involved. And there are arguments that order wasn’t even legal!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The official currency of El Salvador is the US dollar.

Xinis has no jurisdiction abroad so that’s irrelevant. Any steps involving interaction with another government as the sole purview of the president and not an article 3 issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427b4L23yiA

Pretty good synopsis of what has occurred and the fact that El Salvador is not complying with international law to which it is a signatory country.

As Van Hollen said, we would like to have a good economic relationship with El Salvador. I think we hit them where it hurts if they don't return Abrego Garcia. Maryland has lots of people from El Salvador (as does Virginia). We cut off the ability for those people to send remittances back to their families. In about a week they will release Abrego Garcia.

Congress has no interest in doing that over a wife beating illegal immigrant.

[Anonymous]

^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty incredible how the lefts voted into power pour in so much money and effort for noncitizens, right down to defending an undocumented individual who is likely a gang member. Imagine if they put that same energy into helping actual Americans. The irony is, they will not even lift a finger for fired left leaning government workers or vote against Trump’s budget bill. It’s "undocumented first," every time.

The very people who voted for these Democrats should feel completely betrayed. And let’s not forget another top priority for them: making sure biological men can compete in women’s sports. It is all part of the same strategy: expand their future voter base through colleges, visas, and immigration pathways. They do not even have to worry about keeping their current Democrat base happy because they know they will keep pushing that vote button no matter what.

I am a moderate and following this case not because I think this man is innocent but because I am concerned when our executive leadership does not follow our own laws, constitution, supreme court ruling. If you are fine with the executive not following the judiciary, that WILL bite you in the ass when it is a different party in power. It is noteworthy that other than the joke of Fox News, other conservative outlets such as National Review have written articles criticizing the Trump administration on this case.

It is not just Democrats who are concerned, and if you think that, you are not paying attention.

I agree. The lack of due process is appalling. But if we're talking politics, I think it's bad optics for Democratic senators to go to El Salvador and get wrapped up with this guy. He has MS-13 tattooed on his fingers for goodness sake. And he's a wife beater. Republicans are going to town on Democrats once again prioritizing criminals instead of victims. This guy is the wrong hill to die on.

1) it is irrelevant what tattoos he has, the only thing that is relevant is due process

2) the only allegation of Abrego Garcia being in a gang came from one Prince George's County police officer, who was later fired for misconduct

3) If you care about due process, please do not repeat irrelevant and discredited information, that no one in power actually believes to be true. I challenge you to spend five minutes on googling, using only center and conservative-leaning sources that are actually high on reliability scales (in other words, no FOX or less reliable than FOX)

MS 13 is only allowed to hang out with other gang members or recruits and yet Garcia was picked up with them and with a load of cash wearing clothing indicative of the gang IN FRONT of the gang members, and with tattoos. AND there was what the court described as a trusted and reliable informant who had worked with the court before who gave his gang name and rank. All this made it to the appeals court which agreed with the first judge on this issue.

Give it a rest already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427b4L23yiA

Pretty good synopsis of what has occurred and the fact that El Salvador is not complying with international law to which it is a signatory country.

As Van Hollen said, we would like to have a good economic relationship with El Salvador. I think we hit them where it hurts if they don't return Abrego Garcia. Maryland has lots of people from El Salvador (as does Virginia). We cut off the ability for those people to send remittances back to their families. In about a week they will release Abrego Garcia.

Congress has no interest in doing that over a wife beating illegal immigrant.

You guys are so gross and so transparent. And desperate. Overwhelmingly people see through your lies now. Maga Fanfic no longer sells.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He is at CECOT where Van Hollen just met with him.
Are you even reading the news?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=427b4L23yiA

Pretty good synopsis of what has occurred and the fact that El Salvador is not complying with international law to which it is a signatory country.

As Van Hollen said, we would like to have a good economic relationship with El Salvador. I think we hit them where it hurts if they don't return Abrego Garcia. Maryland has lots of people from El Salvador (as does Virginia). We cut off the ability for those people to send remittances back to their families. In about a week they will release Abrego Garcia.

Congress has no interest in doing that over a wife beating illegal immigrant.

You guys are so gross and so transparent. And desperate. Overwhelmingly people see through your lies now. Maga Fanfic no longer sells.

Don’t shoot the messenger. If you see Congress appetite for cutting off remittances then describe that to us. But don’t blame me for reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty incredible how the lefts voted into power pour in so much money and effort for noncitizens, right down to defending an undocumented individual who is likely a gang member. Imagine if they put that same energy into helping actual Americans. The irony is, they will not even lift a finger for fired left leaning government workers or vote against Trump’s budget bill. It’s "undocumented first," every time.

The very people who voted for these Democrats should feel completely betrayed. And let’s not forget another top priority for them: making sure biological men can compete in women’s sports. It is all part of the same strategy: expand their future voter base through colleges, visas, and immigration pathways. They do not even have to worry about keeping their current Democrat base happy because they know they will keep pushing that vote button no matter what.

I am a moderate and following this case not because I think this man is innocent but because I am concerned when our executive leadership does not follow our own laws, constitution, supreme court ruling. If you are fine with the executive not following the judiciary, that WILL bite you in the ass when it is a different party in power. It is noteworthy that other than the joke of Fox News, other conservative outlets such as National Review have written articles criticizing the Trump administration on this case.

It is not just Democrats who are concerned, and if you think that, you are not paying attention.

I agree. The lack of due process is appalling. But if we're talking politics, I think it's bad optics for Democratic senators to go to El Salvador and get wrapped up with this guy. He has MS-13 tattooed on his fingers for goodness sake. And he's a wife beater. Republicans are going to town on Democrats once again prioritizing criminals instead of victims. This guy is the wrong hill to die on.

1) it is irrelevant what tattoos he has, the only thing that is relevant is due process

2) the only allegation of Abrego Garcia being in a gang came from one Prince George's County police officer, who was later fired for misconduct

3) If you care about due process, please do not repeat irrelevant and discredited information, that no one in power actually believes to be true. I challenge you to spend five minutes on googling, using only center and conservative-leaning sources that are actually high on reliability scales (in other words, no FOX or less reliable than FOX)

MS 13 is only allowed to hang out with other gang members or recruits and yet Garcia was picked up with them and with a load of cash wearing clothing indicative of the gang IN FRONT of the gang members, and with tattoos. AND there was what the court described as a trusted and reliable informant who had worked with the court before who gave his gang name and rank. All this made it to the appeals court which agreed with the first judge on this issue.

Give it a rest already.

Try to play lawyer and whatever now, fine. A JUDGE ruled that there was no credible evidence he was part of a gang--and yet you and internet warriors argue with someone who was actually provided REAL evidence, and defend unlawful, non evidence based actions of the admin.

Mind boggling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.