Van Hollen in El Salvador

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He is at CECOT where Van Hollen just met with him.
Are you even reading the news?

What are you talking about? My point is that he is in El Salvador, where a judge previously ruled HE COULD NOT BE SENT TO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.

The check ins were required while he pursued citizenship. If there was a point where he should have been deported, they would have. And again, there was an order that he could not be sent to El Salvador.

Look, just give it up. You are so losing on the facts here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

PP here... to be clear, I was replying to the prior PP!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty incredible how the lefts voted into power pour in so much money and effort for noncitizens, right down to defending an undocumented individual who is likely a gang member. Imagine if they put that same energy into helping actual Americans. The irony is, they will not even lift a finger for fired left leaning government workers or vote against Trump’s budget bill. It’s "undocumented first," every time.

The very people who voted for these Democrats should feel completely betrayed. And let’s not forget another top priority for them: making sure biological men can compete in women’s sports. It is all part of the same strategy: expand their future voter base through colleges, visas, and immigration pathways. They do not even have to worry about keeping their current Democrat base happy because they know they will keep pushing that vote button no matter what.

I am a moderate and following this case not because I think this man is innocent but because I am concerned when our executive leadership does not follow our own laws, constitution, supreme court ruling. If you are fine with the executive not following the judiciary, that WILL bite you in the ass when it is a different party in power. It is noteworthy that other than the joke of Fox News, other conservative outlets such as National Review have written articles criticizing the Trump administration on this case.

It is not just Democrats who are concerned, and if you think that, you are not paying attention.

I agree. The lack of due process is appalling. But if we're talking politics, I think it's bad optics for Democratic senators to go to El Salvador and get wrapped up with this guy. He has MS-13 tattooed on his fingers for goodness sake. And he's a wife beater. Republicans are going to town on Democrats once again prioritizing criminals instead of victims. This guy is the wrong hill to die on.

1) it is irrelevant what tattoos he has, the only thing that is relevant is due process

2) the only allegation of Abrego Garcia being in a gang came from one Prince George's County police officer, who was later fired for misconduct

3) If you care about due process, please do not repeat irrelevant and discredited information, that no one in power actually believes to be true. I challenge you to spend five minutes on googling, using only center and conservative-leaning sources that are actually high on reliability scales (in other words, no FOX or less reliable than FOX)

MS 13 is only allowed to hang out with other gang members or recruits and yet Garcia was picked up with them and with a load of cash wearing clothing indicative of the gang IN FRONT of the gang members, and with tattoos. AND there was what the court described as a trusted and reliable informant who had worked with the court before who gave his gang name and rank. All this made it to the appeals court which agreed with the first judge on this issue.

Give it a rest already.

Try to play lawyer and whatever now, fine. A JUDGE ruled that there was no credible evidence he was part of a gang--and yet you and internet warriors argue with someone who was actually provided REAL evidence, and defend unlawful, non evidence based actions of the admin.

Mind boggling.

That is 100 percent false.

In 2019, an immigration judge ruled that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was a member of the MS-13 gang, denying his request for release on bond. The judge's decision was based on a Gang Field Interview Sheet from the Prince George's County Police Department, which cited Abrego Garcia's clothing (a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie) and information from a "past, proven, and reliable" confidential informant who alleged he was a member of MS-13’s Western clique with the rank of "chequeo." The judge acknowledged skepticism about the clothing as evidence of gang affiliation but found the confidential informant's information sufficient to support the gang membership claim. The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed this ruling.[](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-documents-government-case-mistakenly-deported-abrego-garcia-gang-rcna201665)[](https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/04/justices-direct-government-to-facilitate-return-of-maryland-man-mistakenly-deported-to-el-salvador/)

[Anonymous]

If they wanted to end his protection and deport him legally, they could have. They didn’t. They made an ERROR that they admitted was not intentional and expelled him extra-judicially. They will now not follow the law or the directive of the judiciary to correct the error and then, if needed, legally deport him.

I don’t know how Trump minions decided that this was an intentional deportation of a violent criminal when the administration themselves said from the beginning it was an administrative error. He was not a threat. They didn’t mean to do this. They’re just not going to fix it now that they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Wihtholding removal order to El Salvador--where is he now?

He was denied bail at first, and later asylum because the allowable time to claim was passed.

Between 2019 and 2025

The info in rollingstone has been reported everywhere

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252884-deportation-legal-battle/

Further, "Since 2019, when he was released with the protective order, Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he has had yearly check-ins with immigration officials, which he has attended "without fail and without incident"."

So he could be deported theoretically, but not to El SAlvador.

ANd again, WHERE IS HE?

Get it now?

He had check ins because he is DEPORTABLE! That’s the whole point. Citizens don’t check in with immigration. He was not permanently authorized to stay and he knew it.

The check ins were required while he pursued citizenship. If there was a point where he should have been deported, they would have. And again, there was an order that he could not be sent to El Salvador.

Look, just give it up. You are so losing on the facts here.

That’s a laughable claim. He was never eligible for citizenship and that’s why his wife never tried to get him a green card. You can’t get citizenship when you enter illegally and he had already been denied asylum. Citizenship was never on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

You don't have to wait for this guy to move to your neighborhood. You can do this right now with other families who live in Virginia. Why haven't you done this yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they wanted to end his protection and deport him legally, they could have. They didn’t. They made an ERROR that they admitted was not intentional and expelled him extra-judicially. They will now not follow the law or the directive of the judiciary to correct the error and then, if needed, legally deport him.

they aren’t correcting the error because Garcia is in the custody of his home country and it isn’t our call any longer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

The evidence of his gang membership has been provided over and over. One kid is his. The other two are his wife’s - the one who had two separate domestic violence claims against him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty incredible how the lefts voted into power pour in so much money and effort for noncitizens, right down to defending an undocumented individual who is likely a gang member. Imagine if they put that same energy into helping actual Americans. The irony is, they will not even lift a finger for fired left leaning government workers or vote against Trump’s budget bill. It’s "undocumented first," every time.

The very people who voted for these Democrats should feel completely betrayed. And let’s not forget another top priority for them: making sure biological men can compete in women’s sports. It is all part of the same strategy: expand their future voter base through colleges, visas, and immigration pathways. They do not even have to worry about keeping their current Democrat base happy because they know they will keep pushing that vote button no matter what.

I am a moderate and following this case not because I think this man is innocent but because I am concerned when our executive leadership does not follow our own laws, constitution, supreme court ruling. If you are fine with the executive not following the judiciary, that WILL bite you in the ass when it is a different party in power. It is noteworthy that other than the joke of Fox News, other conservative outlets such as National Review have written articles criticizing the Trump administration on this case.

It is not just Democrats who are concerned, and if you think that, you are not paying attention.

I agree. The lack of due process is appalling. But if we're talking politics, I think it's bad optics for Democratic senators to go to El Salvador and get wrapped up with this guy. He has MS-13 tattooed on his fingers for goodness sake. And he's a wife beater. Republicans are going to town on Democrats once again prioritizing criminals instead of victims. This guy is the wrong hill to die on.

1) it is irrelevant what tattoos he has, the only thing that is relevant is due process

2) the only allegation of Abrego Garcia being in a gang came from one Prince George's County police officer, who was later fired for misconduct

3) If you care about due process, please do not repeat irrelevant and discredited information, that no one in power actually believes to be true. I challenge you to spend five minutes on googling, using only center and conservative-leaning sources that are actually high on reliability scales (in other words, no FOX or less reliable than FOX)

MS 13 is only allowed to hang out with other gang members or recruits and yet Garcia was picked up with them and with a load of cash wearing clothing indicative of the gang IN FRONT of the gang members, and with tattoos. AND there was what the court described as a trusted and reliable informant who had worked with the court before who gave his gang name and rank. All this made it to the appeals court which agreed with the first judge on this issue.

Give it a rest already.

Try to play lawyer and whatever now, fine. A JUDGE ruled that there was no credible evidence he was part of a gang--and yet you and internet warriors argue with someone who was actually provided REAL evidence, and defend unlawful, non evidence based actions of the admin.

Mind boggling.

That is 100 percent false.

In 2019, an immigration judge ruled that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was a member of the MS-13 gang, denying his request for release on bond. The judge's decision was based on a Gang Field Interview Sheet from the Prince George's County Police Department, which cited Abrego Garcia's clothing (a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie) and information from a "past, proven, and reliable" confidential informant who alleged he was a member of MS-13’s Western clique with the rank of "chequeo." The judge acknowledged skepticism about the clothing as evidence of gang affiliation but found the confidential informant's information sufficient to support the gang membership claim. The Board of Immigration Appeals affirmed this ruling.[](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-documents-government-case-mistakenly-deported-abrego-garcia-gang-rcna201665)[](https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/04/justices-direct-government-to-facilitate-return-of-maryland-man-mistakenly-deported-to-el-salvador/)

Sure--but continue to ignore what happened subsequently: a judge ruled the above false. "An immigration judge ultimately ruled that Abrego Garcia — who has consistently denied any gang affiliation — had provided “credible responses to the questions asked,” that his “testimony was internally consistent, externally consistent with his asylum application and other documents, and appeared free of embellishment,” and that “he provided substantial documentation buttressing his claims” of persecution in El Salvador by Barrio 18, which continued to harass members of his family who fled to Guatemala.
?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

The evidence of his gang membership has been provided over and over. One kid is his. The other two are his wife’s - the one who had two separate domestic violence claims against him.

No it hasn't, and sorry internet warrior, a judge decided that there was no evidence of gang involvement.
Stop cherry picking and pretending your internet searches are more thorough than the evidence a judge was presented with,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

I live in a close in suburb in Virginia. I would be 100% fine with this man and his family living on my street and with his kids playing on my children's soccer team. If he moves to my neighborhood, I will bring them a welcome gift and invite them to my house for dinner.

Nobody actually thinks he is in a gang, people. The Trump dministration is villainizing him so that the un-critical, non-reading masses will react emotionally. If they believed he was in a gang, they would not have to resort to lying or to repeating information that would never hold up in a court of law because it is so incredibly vague and/or unreliable

If they had absolutely any information that was not:

*provided by a police officer, who was later fired for misconduct
*about clothing (come on, people, come on)
*submitted by a confidential informant who placed Abrego Garcia in a state where he has never lived
*about a small amount of marijuana that was near him, not on him/ to little to suggest that anyone was dealing/ an amount that would likely be legal in Maryland today/ irrelevant because not charges were brought against him!

If there was anything on this guy besides the above, we would know it. There isn't.

People do not have to be angels to deserve due process. Villianizing this man shows that the Trump administration is aware that they have nothing else to stand on but the emotions of non-reading Americans. We have a Constitution that guarantees due process for everyone angels and non-angels alike.

And yes, I will stand up and defend the Trump administrations' right to due process when they eventually have to deal with the consequences of the many crimes that they are knowingly committing.

You are in a deep blue state not indicative of public opinion on Garcia.
The informant was suspended not fired. His determination in this case or others he was involved in have not overturned. There was additional evidence of gang membership all of which have been posted multiple times on this board that you are ignoring. Garcia was seen by multiple courts who upheld that he was a deportable alien - he had due process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since the media has decided this thug is their poster child for wrongful deportation, maybe they can invite Kilmar Abrego Garcia to live on their street and carry out his gang activities in their neighborhood.

He was checking in with ICE and was in a union as a construction employee. He had 3 kids and a wife.absolutely no proof ever of any gang membership or affiliation. Honestly doesn’t seem that scary of a guy. Are you this afraid of everyone?

The evidence of his gang membership has been provided over and over. One kid is his. The other two are his wife’s - the one who had two separate domestic violence claims against him.

No it hasn't, and sorry internet warrior, a judge decided that there was no evidence of gang involvement.
Stop cherry picking and pretending your internet searches are more thorough than the evidence a judge was presented with,

Look above and read the links and the court papers. Stop referring to one judge - - there were several including the court of appeals. Again, this evidence was provided over and over.

[Anonymous]

The guys entered the country illegally. He was charged with domestic violence. He needed to go anyway. Yes he should’ve been afforded due process but even if they bring him back to the US, he’s not staying. Seems sort of like a waste of time considering he’s been returned to his home country, but OK. Bring him back, then deport him to some other country that will accept him for $$$ I guess.