Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really interested to know 1- of the AP went to the funeral 2- what Brendan’s story was with friends and family at the funeral? Was his story that he’s the one that pulled the trigger on an intruder? 3- what does Christine’s family think about all of this now?

There were several posts on WS about this aspect but they were taken down pretty fast. Maybe someone else also saw, or someone who posted is also here?

I thought I read her family seemed cool to him. They are LE too. I think someone noted the prior ap who was very friendly with Christine was there. Don't remember about Juliana but excellent questions. All along B & J have maintained a home invasion, Joe as stabber, Brendan as shooter/hero. LE called BS on it from the jump but they get farther by not changing it now. And they both have own hide to save, both killers. I think she is going to be a tough nut to crack, she seems all in on BRB.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one theory re: timing that seems plausible

Taking the child out may have been part of keeping her from going to look for mommy, if so.

Maybe, although it's completely ludicrous for anyone, especially someone in law enforcement to think they could pin the stabbing on someone else. The forensic evidence would never support that.

I think forensic evidence is not as cut and dried a science as television would have you believe. Stabbing doesn’t leave gun residue, and the knife was left on the scene. East enough wipe prints and put it in Joe’s hand after shooting him.

My theory is still that BB stabbed his wife. Stabbing feels personal and angry, and far more likely done by the husband. Then Joe comes in, finds Christine bleeding, and the AP shoots him. They don’t immediately call 911 back because they want to make sure CB dies.

This makes the most sense but wouldn’t they find some bits of blood in his car?

You would think?

On websleuths, someone said there was a car in the driveway Friday the 13th with the trunk and doors all open…while there was an armored police vehicle and eight uniformed officers. They could have been looking for more evidence?

Good point.

I do think they took time to see if they would slip up but if her visa is expiring, had to move. Can't imagine she'd be re-matched to extend in light of it all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one theory re: timing that seems plausible

Taking the child out may have been part of keeping her from going to look for mommy, if so.

Maybe, although it's completely ludicrous for anyone, especially someone in law enforcement to think they could pin the stabbing on someone else. The forensic evidence would never support that.

I think forensic evidence is not as cut and dried a science as television would have you believe. Stabbing doesn’t leave gun residue, and the knife was left on the scene. East enough wipe prints and put it in Joe’s hand after shooting him.

My theory is still that BB stabbed his wife. Stabbing feels personal and angry, and far more likely done by the husband. Then Joe comes in, finds Christine bleeding, and the AP shoots him. They don’t immediately call 911 back because they want to make sure CB dies.

Can you imagine? With the little girl elsewhere in the house? And that they lived there after, going out, posting on the Gram, etc.?

LE has said Joe was shot when Brendan was not home. Are you suggesting he stabbed Christine, left, then came back? Very little time.

DP - I think the timeline has yet to be established, but at this point I'm pretty convinced that the plan was to make Joe Ryan the fall guy, hence the whole story about a strange car in the driveway (a narrative told to police by the au pair) and for the police to arrive to a scene staged to look like the au pair shot someone who was attacking Christine. The plan was that Brendan would have already left for work.

I think the au pair panicked and called Brendan and that's why he returned home and then the story started to fall apart.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one theory re: timing that seems plausible

Taking the child out may have been part of keeping her from going to look for mommy, if so.

Maybe, although it's completely ludicrous for anyone, especially someone in law enforcement to think they could pin the stabbing on someone else. The forensic evidence would never support that.

I think forensic evidence is not as cut and dried a science as television would have you believe. Stabbing doesn’t leave gun residue, and the knife was left on the scene. East enough wipe prints and put it in Joe’s hand after shooting him.

My theory is still that BB stabbed his wife. Stabbing feels personal and angry, and far more likely done by the husband. Then Joe comes in, finds Christine bleeding, and the AP shoots him. They don’t immediately call 911 back because they want to make sure CB dies.

This makes the most sense but wouldn’t they find some bits of blood in his car?

You would think?

Stab her naked while she is lying down. Rinse off in shower. Make sure any blood goes down the drain. No blood in car. He leaves. AP phones 911 but doesn’t say more than friend hurt - just to establish timeline and BB not home. Wait for Joe (not hours, minutes). Joe arrives, finds Christine. Shoot Joe.

Just one possible scenario. There must be dozens.

I think you have to clean up a lot more carefully than just washing it down the drain and more importantly, there wouldn’t be blood on the framed guy in the right amounts and the right patterns.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one theory re: timing that seems plausible

Taking the child out may have been part of keeping her from going to look for mommy, if so.

Maybe, although it's completely ludicrous for anyone, especially someone in law enforcement to think they could pin the stabbing on someone else. The forensic evidence would never support that.

I think forensic evidence is not as cut and dried a science as television would have you believe. Stabbing doesn’t leave gun residue, and the knife was left on the scene. East enough wipe prints and put it in Joe’s hand after shooting him.

My theory is still that BB stabbed his wife. Stabbing feels personal and angry, and far more likely done by the husband. Then Joe comes in, finds Christine bleeding, and the AP shoots him. They don’t immediately call 911 back because they want to make sure CB dies.

This makes the most sense but wouldn’t they find some bits of blood in his car?

You would think?

Stab her naked while she is lying down. Rinse off in shower. Make sure any blood goes down the drain. No blood in car. He leaves. AP phones 911 but doesn’t say more than friend hurt - just to establish timeline and BB not home. Wait for Joe (not hours, minutes). Joe arrives, finds Christine. Shoot Joe.

Just one possible scenario. There must be dozens.

The first 911 call was a hang up.

I think Joe was shot and Christine was dying by the time of the first call. I mean, what if he had hit traffic? Too risky to call w/o him in house imo. Somewhere it was said that BRB was only out for 15 minutes, it all moved very fast. I'm sure they had planned it for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one theory re: timing that seems plausible

Taking the child out may have been part of keeping her from going to look for mommy, if so.

Maybe, although it's completely ludicrous for anyone, especially someone in law enforcement to think they could pin the stabbing on someone else. The forensic evidence would never support that.

I think forensic evidence is not as cut and dried a science as television would have you believe. Stabbing doesn’t leave gun residue, and the knife was left on the scene. East enough wipe prints and put it in Joe’s hand after shooting him.

My theory is still that BB stabbed his wife. Stabbing feels personal and angry, and far more likely done by the husband. Then Joe comes in, finds Christine bleeding, and the AP shoots him. They don’t immediately call 911 back because they want to make sure CB dies.

This makes the most sense but wouldn’t they find some bits of blood in his car?

You would think?

On websleuths, someone said there was a car in the driveway Friday the 13th with the trunk and doors all open…while there was an armored police vehicle and eight uniformed officers. They could have been looking for more evidence?

Good point.

I do think they took time to see if they would slip up but if her visa is expiring, had to move. Can't imagine she'd be re-matched to extend in light of it all.

Definitely possible that the visa expiring cause the police to move forward. But I still can't believe that little girl is living in the house. That is messed up.

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It just seems like a lot of trouble--and risk--to go to to stage a murder like this just to get rid of the wife and be able to move on and establish a new life with the au pair. The DH should have known it wouldn't work given his LE background.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just can’t wrap my head around choosing murder over divorce. Whoever did this is dumb and evil. Of course, I honestly can’t imagine hiring someone I know almost nothing about to live in my home and care for my children either. The whole thing is awful. That poor girl.

A lot of men in the military or law enforcement who have pensions feel pretty strongly that they don't want to share their pensions with their ex-wives... not any portion of it. They feel entitled to have it all -- the pensions, the house, the kids and the young girlfriend.

BB may have been "LE" --- but sounds like he spent most of his time at the IRS -- which means he wasn't all that savvy about how crimes like murder are investigated or prosecuted. He was more of a financial crimes guy.

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t wrap my head around choosing murder over divorce. Whoever did this is dumb and evil. Of course, I honestly can’t imagine hiring someone I know almost nothing about to live in my home and care for my children either. The whole thing is awful. That poor girl.

A lot of men in the military or law enforcement who have pensions feel pretty strongly that they don't want to share their pensions with their ex-wives... not any portion of it. They feel entitled to have it all -- the pensions, the house, the kids and the young girlfriend.

BB may have been "LE" --- but sounds like he spent most of his time at the IRS -- which means he wasn't all that savvy about how crimes like murder are investigated or prosecuted. He was more of a financial crimes guy.

Yes, agree and I really don’t think you can underestimate the hubris of a middle aged man who has a doting young girlfriend, a job that evokes images of power, intelligence and authority, and the desire for material goods like new cars. Police love it when they have a suspect who thinks they are smarter than the police. The truth is that police have all the resources and experience to catch them out.

It happens all the time that criminals think they are way smarter than the average bear, and can be easily outsmart the bumbling police. Look at the criminology student murderer in Idaho. He certainly thought he could get away with murder because of his expertise. He probably thought he was in the clear because it took so long for police to finally nail him.

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So is it confirmed that the imgur link floating around was taken AFTER the murder?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is it confirmed that the imgur link floating around was taken AFTER the murder?

No. But she posted as if it were saying he is 38, which he did not turn until the night before the murder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is one theory re: timing that seems plausible

Taking the child out may have been part of keeping her from going to look for mommy, if so.

Maybe, although it's completely ludicrous for anyone, especially someone in law enforcement to think they could pin the stabbing on someone else. The forensic evidence would never support that.

I think forensic evidence is not as cut and dried a science as television would have you believe. Stabbing doesn’t leave gun residue, and the knife was left on the scene. East enough wipe prints and put it in Joe’s hand after shooting him.

My theory is still that BB stabbed his wife. Stabbing feels personal and angry, and far more likely done by the husband. Then Joe comes in, finds Christine bleeding, and the AP shoots him. They don’t immediately call 911 back because they want to make sure CB dies.

Can you imagine? With the little girl elsewhere in the house? And that they lived there after, going out, posting on the Gram, etc.?

LE has said Joe was shot when Brendan was not home. Are you suggesting he stabbed Christine, left, then came back? Very little time.

DP - I think the timeline has yet to be established, but at this point I'm pretty convinced that the plan was to make Joe Ryan the fall guy, hence the whole story about a strange car in the driveway (a narrative told to police by the au pair) and for the police to arrive to a scene staged to look like the au pair shot someone who was attacking Christine. The plan was that Brendan would have already left for work.

I think the au pair panicked and called Brendan and that's why he returned home and then the story started to fall apart.

I agree with a lot of this but I think he was supposed to come back. Calling him, not 911 or waiting outside, etc. but calling and going in sounds like their kooky implausible story. LE used interesting language even the day of so the vibe must have been very off. With him LE and being the "grieving" widower, maybe he believed they would buy the story without much checking?

All the coming and going is weird but I can see your point that it supports their tall tale. One Juliana is still telling despite all 3 claims being declared false by LE. No home invasion, stabber was not Joe, Brendan not shooter. They are gonna make them work for it.

I also think it was too risky leaving Juliana there alone for too long, Joe was big, fit, martial arts trained and she's a 23 year old "princess." I think Brendan had to come back to manage things after his absence was documented. I wonder if he had been taking her to the shooting range?

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t wrap my head around choosing murder over divorce. Whoever did this is dumb and evil. Of course, I honestly can’t imagine hiring someone I know almost nothing about to live in my home and care for my children either. The whole thing is awful. That poor girl.

A lot of men in the military or law enforcement who have pensions feel pretty strongly that they don't want to share their pensions with their ex-wives... not any portion of it. They feel entitled to have it all -- the pensions, the house, the kids and the young girlfriend.

BB may have been "LE" --- but sounds like he spent most of his time at the IRS -- which means he wasn't all that savvy about how crimes like murder are investigated or prosecuted. He was more of a financial crimes guy.

Yes, agree and I really don’t think you can underestimate the hubris of a middle aged man who has a doting young girlfriend, a job that evokes images of power, intelligence and authority, and the desire for material goods like new cars. Police love it when they have a suspect who thinks they are smarter than the police. The truth is that police have all the resources and experience to catch them out.

It happens all the time that criminals think they are way smarter than the average bear, and can be easily outsmart the bumbling police. Look at the criminology student murderer in Idaho. He certainly thought he could get away with murder because of his expertise. He probably thought he was in the clear because it took so long for police to finally nail him.

All of this, wish it could be pinned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just can’t wrap my head around choosing murder over divorce. Whoever did this is dumb and evil. Of course, I honestly can’t imagine hiring someone I know almost nothing about to live in my home and care for my children either. The whole thing is awful. That poor girl.

A lot of men in the military or law enforcement who have pensions feel pretty strongly that they don't want to share their pensions with their ex-wives... not any portion of it. They feel entitled to have it all -- the pensions, the house, the kids and the young girlfriend.

BB may have been "LE" --- but sounds like he spent most of his time at the IRS -- which means he wasn't all that savvy about how crimes like murder are investigated or prosecuted. He was more of a financial crimes guy.

Yes, agree and I really don’t think you can underestimate the hubris of a middle aged man who has a doting young girlfriend, a job that evokes images of power, intelligence and authority, and the desire for material goods like new cars. Police love it when they have a suspect who thinks they are smarter than the police. The truth is that police have all the resources and experience to catch them out.

It happens all the time that criminals think they are way smarter than the average bear, and can be easily outsmart the bumbling police. Look at the criminology student murderer in Idaho. He certainly thought he could get away with murder because of his expertise. He probably thought he was in the clear because it took so long for police to finally nail him.

Even FBI, not exactly their wheelhouse necessarily.

But Fairfax cops seemed to get the situation immediately, it's what they do.

It will be interesting when more details come out. In the Wone case, the EMS found the demeanor of the 3 housemates/stabbers so unnerving that he kept a bed between them. They were not acting like a concerned friend would and the vibe was extremely off. Wonder about Juliana and Brendan. I imagine the 911 call will be released at some point.

Just so sad and pointless. That poor little girl.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So is it confirmed that the imgur link floating around was taken AFTER the murder?

No. But she posted as if it were saying he is 38, which he did not turn until the night before the murder.

https://imgur.com/kfobZhj

Obviously we don’t know when the photo itself was taken, but hypothetically could it be from July 19 2023 when Fall Ou Boy played jiffy lube live pavilion from the reference of the music and band?