Pelosi’s husband assaulted during breakin

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jsteele wrote:DePape hasn't lived in the Berkeley house for some time. He lives in Richmond, CA.

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Can you post a photo of his home in Richmond, CA?

It sounds like it’s just a normal house in a poor neighborhood. Stucco house with unkempt garden, like lots of houses in Richmond. I live in one of the towns near Berkeley and Richmond. Richmond has some nice areas, but it’s mostly not so great, kind of like Oakland but smaller/less well known.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

You think footage is being hidden, but the police don’t just routinely release footage they think people might find interesting. People file a FOIA request and then the police release it, assuming they don’t think it will jeopardize their investigation. If it will jeopardize their investigation, they don’t have to release it. Additionally, the Pelosi’s may file a request to prevent its release if they feel it would cause them harm. Sometimes the courts must rule on these issues. The public doesn’t get to demand immediate access.

Here are some exceptions to the FOIA that might apply to this case:

Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.

Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual

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Anonymous wrote:The jokes are sick. We will never really know what happened though. Too much squabbling is going on. The only thing we can say with a high degree of certainty is that Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer by dePapa in front of the police. The rest has become a blurred mess.

Almost like the zone has been flooded. Hmmmm.

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Anonymous wrote:This was probably addressed but where was security/secret service? If John Bolton can have 24 hour security on Fernwood and Bradley, I'm sure our Speaker of the House has protection.

The security follows her.

So her house is non-secure area unless she is there? Lucky the right wing does not uses bombs yet.

I have no idea about the specifics of their home security system, if any. My remark was that the security personnel stay with her, not with her home.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

You think footage is being hidden, but the police don’t just routinely release footage they think people might find interesting. People file a FOIA request and then the police release it, assuming they don’t think it will jeopardize their investigation. If it will jeopardize their investigation, they don’t have to release it. Additionally, the Pelosi’s may file a request to prevent its release if they feel it would cause them harm. Sometimes the courts must rule on these issues. The public doesn’t get to demand immediate access.

Here are some exceptions to the FOIA that might apply to this case:

Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.

Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual

Facts and logic and basic common sense mean nothing to MAGA conspiracy theorists. They will devoutly believe what they want to regardless of anything to the contrary, simply because they are absolutely convinced and biased to believe the conspiracy no matter what. It's hopeless to argue with them, it's like arguing with someone in a cult or a schizophrenic who adamantly believes their hallucination.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

You think footage is being hidden, but the police don’t just routinely release footage they think people might find interesting. People file a FOIA request and then the police release it, assuming they don’t think it will jeopardize their investigation. If it will jeopardize their investigation, they don’t have to release it. Additionally, the Pelosi’s may file a request to prevent its release if they feel it would cause them harm. Sometimes the courts must rule on these issues. The public doesn’t get to demand immediate access.

Here are some exceptions to the FOIA that might apply to this case:

Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.

Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual

Facts and logic and basic common sense mean nothing to MAGA conspiracy theorists. They will devoutly believe what they want to regardless of anything to the contrary, simply because they are absolutely convinced and biased to believe the conspiracy no matter what. It's hopeless to argue with them, it's like arguing with someone in a cult or a schizophrenic who adamantly believes their hallucination.

Given the fact that Republicans clearly have no plans to return to sanity or to address the violence they’ve created, where does that leave us normal people?

[Anonymous]

If Paul Pelosi was actually in his underwear, as I’ve seen rumored online, I can understand why they don’t want that released without being edited to blur.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

So if your house gets broken into, you think the public has a right to see the video from inside the house, even before it's submitted for evidence in a trial? We can all just check you out?

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

So if your house gets broken into, you think the public has a right to see the video from inside the house, even before it's submitted for evidence in a trial? We can all just check you out?

I don’t care what generation they spring from, today’s Republicans are crazy and entitled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

You think footage is being hidden, but the police don’t just routinely release footage they think people might find interesting. People file a FOIA request and then the police release it, assuming they don’t think it will jeopardize their investigation. If it will jeopardize their investigation, they don’t have to release it. Additionally, the Pelosi’s may file a request to prevent its release if they feel it would cause them harm. Sometimes the courts must rule on these issues. The public doesn’t get to demand immediate access.

Here are some exceptions to the FOIA that might apply to this case:

Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.

Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual

Facts and logic and basic common sense mean nothing to MAGA conspiracy theorists. They will devoutly believe what they want to regardless of anything to the contrary, simply because they are absolutely convinced and biased to believe the conspiracy no matter what. It's hopeless to argue with them, it's like arguing with someone in a cult or a schizophrenic who adamantly believes their hallucination.

Given the fact that Republicans clearly have no plans to return to sanity or to address the violence they’ve created, where does that leave us normal people?

Miserable. I'm the single person in my MAGA family who doesn't believe: That Sandy Hook was a hoax, that COVID vaccines don't make you magnetic or have microchips, or are a form of population control, that the election wasn't rigged, and more. We can probably add this latest one to the long list of things they will believe devoutly, religiously, fanatically. They believe that there are "no coincidences." It doesn't matter what anyone says, they must be in on it, they are a "sheep" who believes "the narrative" and/or the "mainstream media lies."

So it doesn't matter that the previous poster listed perfectly legitimate, legal facts. MAGAs will consider them "sheep" who are a part of the "narrative" or perhaps even paid to post such things on this forum. It's utter madness. I also know someone well who is a paranoid schizophrenic and I kid you not, talking to MAGA conspiracy theorists doesn't feel all that different than talking to a paranoid schizophrenic.

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Anonymous wrote:The jokes are sick. We will never really know what happened though. Too much squabbling is going on. The only thing we can say with a high degree of certainty is that Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer by dePapa in front of the police. The rest has become a blurred mess.

No, it’s not a mess. This is straight out of Putin’s playbook. (Yes. Read Peter Pomerantsev’s “nothing is true and everything is possible”). It’s a straightforward story, but then someone starts tweeting out rumors and speculation, people make things up, and eventually everyone throws up their hands saying, “it’s a blurred mess” and I don’t know what to believe.

It’s incredible. The spouse of the person second in line to the U.S. presidency was attacked in his home by someone wielding a hammer. That person was looking for the speaker of the house.

Going down rabbit holes of degrees of mental health and where the attacker lived is beside the point. The attacker obviously felt he had a reason to do harm to the speaker of the house and her husband got in the way.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

You think footage is being hidden, but the police don’t just routinely release footage they think people might find interesting. People file a FOIA request and then the police release it, assuming they don’t think it will jeopardize their investigation. If it will jeopardize their investigation, they don’t have to release it. Additionally, the Pelosi’s may file a request to prevent its release if they feel it would cause them harm. Sometimes the courts must rule on these issues. The public doesn’t get to demand immediate access.

Here are some exceptions to the FOIA that might apply to this case:

Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.

Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual

Facts and logic and basic common sense mean nothing to MAGA conspiracy theorists. They will devoutly believe what they want to regardless of anything to the contrary, simply because they are absolutely convinced and biased to believe the conspiracy no matter what. It's hopeless to argue with them, it's like arguing with someone in a cult or a schizophrenic who adamantly believes their hallucination.

Given the fact that Republicans clearly have no plans to return to sanity or to address the violence they’ve created, where does that leave us normal people?

Miserable. I'm the single person in my MAGA family who doesn't believe: That Sandy Hook was a hoax, that COVID vaccines don't make you magnetic or have microchips, or are a form of population control, that the election wasn't rigged, and more. We can probably add this latest one to the long list of things they will believe devoutly, religiously, fanatically. They believe that there are "no coincidences." It doesn't matter what anyone says, they must be in on it, they are a "sheep" who believes "the narrative" and/or the "mainstream media lies."

So it doesn't matter that the previous poster listed perfectly legitimate, legal facts. MAGAs will consider them "sheep" who are a part of the "narrative" or perhaps even paid to post such things on this forum. It's utter madness. I also know someone well who is a paranoid schizophrenic and I kid you not, talking to MAGA conspiracy theorists doesn't feel all that different than talking to a paranoid schizophrenic.

DP to say, the only thing I've read that you can do that might eventually get through to a conspiracy theorist is to keep asking/pointing out whether there is any alternative data that would make them rethink their belief in an open ended, polite way. If there is literally nothing that will disprove their belief system, it might one day dawn on them to question how they believe what they believe.

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Why isn't the right condemning an assassination attempt on the third in line for the White House?

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Anonymous wrote:According to the DA, the intruder approached Mr. Pelosi in his bedroom while he was sleeping. How horrifying!

I'm wondering if the intruder disconnected the alarm system? Otherwise, ours would be incredibly loud once a door was opened or a glass was broken.

Nothing makes much sense. That's why I'd like to see the video released. Unless they have no cameras running?

The man thought he was Jesus, according to his ex.

You are not entitled to see video of the assault. Believe whatever you want to believe. You will anyway.

I don't believe one way or the other. What I'm seeing is a story where the details keep shifting. The audio recording conflicts with the statement. Then they retracted their statement that someone opened the door that clearly wasn't the Pelosi or his attacker, because both had their hands on the same hammer. Pelosi was able to take a bathroom break and use his phone in the bathroom. He could have simply told the police there was an intruder in the house, but he said it was a friend, David. He must have sounded confused because they did a wellness check. At his age, he very well could have been confused, and that's just fine. The important thing is the police got to the scene on time. People are asking to see footage because of all the changes to the details of what happened.

Either way, his neighbors and his Ex-Wife have made it perfectly clear that the man was decidedly mentally unwell. People here want to state that he is mentally well but being MAGA makes him mentally unwell. That''s, well, insane He's mentally unwell because he thinks he's Jesus and talks to angels, etc. The media seems to want to ignore that fact. Inconvenient? I don't know.

Again, what entitles you have access to the video? The police have it. The guys lawyer will have it. The prosecutor will have it. This isn’t a TV show scripted for your entertainment. It looks like the guy broke in, went looking for Nancy. Paul P woke up. The guy didn’t attack right away. He asked where’s Nancy? PP talked to him, was able to call police, tried to keep him calm until the cops got there. The cops coming in may have triggered the guy to go for the hammer and he hit Paul with it. We don’t need to know every detail. We know there was a break-in and an assault and who was the intruder/assailant and who was the victim.

I didn’t say I was entitled. I said it would help clear up what happened. What you state happened is what you are being told happened, but again, that story has changed three times so far at the very least. Imagine this was George Floyd and you just had to take the police version of what happened, that there was no video of any kind. Imagine if we were told as a nation that we were not entitled to see that, that you don’t need to know every detail.

It’s extremely clear what happened. Only MAGA are questioning what happened! You are all so looped into conspiracy theories that you are incapable of seeing reality.

If its so obvious, there is no reason to hide the bodycam/security cam/dashcam footage.

We can also explain how he got to the house.

You think footage is being hidden, but the police don’t just routinely release footage they think people might find interesting. People file a FOIA request and then the police release it, assuming they don’t think it will jeopardize their investigation. If it will jeopardize their investigation, they don’t have to release it. Additionally, the Pelosi’s may file a request to prevent its release if they feel it would cause them harm. Sometimes the courts must rule on these issues. The public doesn’t get to demand immediate access.

Here are some exceptions to the FOIA that might apply to this case:

Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual’s personal privacy.

Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes that:
7(A). Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings
7(B). Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication
7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy
7(D). Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source
7(E). Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law
7(F). Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of any individual

Facts and logic and basic common sense mean nothing to MAGA conspiracy theorists. They will devoutly believe what they want to regardless of anything to the contrary, simply because they are absolutely convinced and biased to believe the conspiracy no matter what. It's hopeless to argue with them, it's like arguing with someone in a cult or a schizophrenic who adamantly believes their hallucination.

Given the fact that Republicans clearly have no plans to return to sanity or to address the violence they’ve created, where does that leave us normal people?

Miserable. I'm the single person in my MAGA family who doesn't believe: That Sandy Hook was a hoax, that COVID vaccines don't make you magnetic or have microchips, or are a form of population control, that the election wasn't rigged, and more. We can probably add this latest one to the long list of things they will believe devoutly, religiously, fanatically. They believe that there are "no coincidences." It doesn't matter what anyone says, they must be in on it, they are a "sheep" who believes "the narrative" and/or the "mainstream media lies."

So it doesn't matter that the previous poster listed perfectly legitimate, legal facts. MAGAs will consider them "sheep" who are a part of the "narrative" or perhaps even paid to post such things on this forum. It's utter madness. I also know someone well who is a paranoid schizophrenic and I kid you not, talking to MAGA conspiracy theorists doesn't feel all that different than talking to a paranoid schizophrenic.

DP to say, the only thing I've read that you can do that might eventually get through to a conspiracy theorist is to keep asking/pointing out whether there is any alternative data that would make them rethink their belief in an open ended, polite way. If there is literally nothing that will disprove their belief system, it might one day dawn on them to question how they believe what they believe.

I’m the PP who asked where this leaves us and I have family that votes maga, but isn’t maga. Their brains were burned by brainwashing in church, sensitizing them to believe horse puckey literally and you would not believe the gyrations they’ll go through in order to make it all make sense. When something like this happens, right wing propaganda steps in to soothe their conflicted feelings - these people know right from wrong, they do - by flooding the zone so that they can just throw up their hands and both sides it all. It’s horrifying to watch.

Worse are the people who pretend to be moderate and still won’t look at specific situations and what it means in a larger sense. Republicans are trying to cause a hot civil war; that’s been their quietly stated aim. They’re counting on the “moderates” to buy enough of their lies to support them.

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This is all so silly to be debating. We’re not the investigators. A deranged man committed an act of political violence, likely as a result of a discourse and culture (promoted mostly on the right), that promotes it. It’s a tragedy. Paul Pelosi is still in the ICU three days later. And Republicans like Don Jr and Ted Cruz are making a mockery because they’re terrible people.