Missionaries should be banned

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Samaritans Purse isn't afraid to come out and say it.

(1:38) Doctor: It’s incredibly amazing to see the interaction of Gospel and medicine together. Just to be able to meet someone at a vulnerable place that just gives us a window of opportunity to be able to share about god and his love.

Pp, your objections seem to be around the word “share.” But your own video has no evidence of people actually proselytizing in the sense of telling them to come to Jesus. Instead, your own video has a great example of what everybody here has been telling you, that a lot of missionary work these days is by example.

2:50 (Doctor) Just being able to smile with, to hold a child, to operate, those are gospel messages.

No, the videos don't not show the actual conversations with the doctor, staff, chaplains at the hospital. They do show praying though.

It's disingenuous to say they never talk about Jesus. Really - you don't think the topic ever comes up?

Clearly, these conversations are happening. How would non-Christian people even come up with the phrases "invite Jesus in my life" "give my life to Jesus" "receive Christ"? The Mongolian mom says she was given "The Greatest Journey" to learn more about God. It's not like one day she just spontaneously wanted to get baptized. How would she even know what that is?

Seriously? You’re being ridiculous.

The video DOES document a guy setting an example.

Nothing in your videos justifies going off on a speculative tangent about why people are praying. Most likely, those Haitians were Christians already. If they weren’t, and the Mongolian mom probably wasn’t, maybe they were impressed by the example the doctors set. Maybe they were interested enough to ask. Maybe all of these people are smart enough to examine another faith and make their own decisions about it—something you continue to deny.

You don’t know, and you’ve proven nothing.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Not sure what image another poster is trying to portray of Haitians, but the country is about 86% Christian. More so than the U.S. now. So maybe the anti-Christians should stop pushing anti-Christianity on them.

LOL, yes, most of them are Christian already.

I’ve been doing a running gag about anti-missionary pp and her wine choices to show how patronizing she is, as she tries to ban (title of the thread) needed missionary aid because she thinks the poor recipients can’t make their own choices. Even if the aid comes with pressure, which many have told her it doesn’t, and which she’s fail to prove. I try to vary her location and wine choices to keep it interesting.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Not sure what image another poster is trying to portray of Haitians, but the country is about 86% Christian. More so than the U.S. now. So maybe the anti-Christians should stop pushing anti-Christianity on them.

LOL, yes, most of them are Christian already.

I’ve been doing a running gag about anti-missionary pp and her wine choices to show how patronizing she is, as she tries to ban (title of the thread) needed missionary aid because she thinks the poor recipients can’t make their own choices. Even if the aid comes with pressure, which many have told her it doesn’t, and which she’s fail to prove. I try to vary her location and wine choices to keep it interesting.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

PROSELYTIZING BY EXAMPLE according to your own video. Maybe a cross on the wall or a free pamphlet or Bible.

Only if one assumes—as you apparently do from beneath the warmth of your blanket and while sipping brandy—that these people are incapable of making their own choices would any of this be a problem to any rational person.

Nobody is interested in your crap speculation or crap questions that invite other people to speculate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Not sure what image another poster is trying to portray of Haitians, but the country is about 86% Christian. More so than the U.S. now. So maybe the anti-Christians should stop pushing anti-Christianity on them.

LOL, yes, most of them are Christian already.

I’ve been doing a running gag about anti-missionary pp and her wine choices to show how patronizing she is, as she tries to ban (title of the thread) needed missionary aid because she thinks the poor recipients can’t make their own choices. Even if the aid comes with pressure, which many have told her it doesn’t, and which she’s fail to prove. I try to vary her location and wine choices to keep it interesting.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

So because we’re not interested in your speculation about what might have happened in some video, you change tacks (holding tightly onto your beer as you steer the central rudder on your catamaran) and try to get us to speculate?

LOl no. Speculation is useless whoever is doing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

[Anonymous]

^^^ Haitian worker here. Coming up with new drinks and locations is what keeps me going on this thread. Otherwise, anti-missionary pp’s exaggerations and transparent rhetorical tricks would have driven me off long ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Not sure what image another poster is trying to portray of Haitians, but the country is about 86% Christian. More so than the U.S. now. So maybe the anti-Christians should stop pushing anti-Christianity on them.

LOL, yes, most of them are Christian already.

I’ve been doing a running gag about anti-missionary pp and her wine choices to show how patronizing she is, as she tries to ban (title of the thread) needed missionary aid because she thinks the poor recipients can’t make their own choices. Even if the aid comes with pressure, which many have told her it doesn’t, and which she’s fail to prove. I try to vary her location and wine choices to keep it interesting.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

So because we’re not interested in your speculation about what might have happened in some video, you change tacks (holding tightly onto your beer as you steer the central rudder on your catamaran) and try to get us to speculate?

LOl no. Speculation is useless whoever is doing it.

Would you say that people are "speculating" when they say that missionaries don't talk to vulnerable people about Jesus?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Not sure what image another poster is trying to portray of Haitians, but the country is about 86% Christian. More so than the U.S. now. So maybe the anti-Christians should stop pushing anti-Christianity on them.

LOL, yes, most of them are Christian already.

I’ve been doing a running gag about anti-missionary pp and her wine choices to show how patronizing she is, as she tries to ban (title of the thread) needed missionary aid because she thinks the poor recipients can’t make their own choices. Even if the aid comes with pressure, which many have told her it doesn’t, and which she’s fail to prove. I try to vary her location and wine choices to keep it interesting.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

PROSELYTIZING BY EXAMPLE according to your own video. Maybe a cross on the wall or a free pamphlet or Bible.

Only if one assumes—as you apparently do from beneath the warmth of your blanket and while sipping brandy—that these people are incapable of making their own choices would any of this be a problem to any rational person.

Nobody is interested in your crap speculation or crap questions that invite other people to speculate.

The Mongolian moms learned about "accepting Christ" from a cross on the wall?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Not sure what image another poster is trying to portray of Haitians, but the country is about 86% Christian. More so than the U.S. now. So maybe the anti-Christians should stop pushing anti-Christianity on them.

LOL, yes, most of them are Christian already.

I’ve been doing a running gag about anti-missionary pp and her wine choices to show how patronizing she is, as she tries to ban (title of the thread) needed missionary aid because she thinks the poor recipients can’t make their own choices. Even if the aid comes with pressure, which many have told her it doesn’t, and which she’s fail to prove. I try to vary her location and wine choices to keep it interesting.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

So because we’re not interested in your speculation about what might have happened in some video, you change tacks (holding tightly onto your beer as you steer the central rudder on your catamaran) and try to get us to speculate?

LOl no. Speculation is useless whoever is doing it.

Would you say that people are "speculating" when they say that missionaries don't talk to vulnerable people about Jesus?

The loving doctor was so kind and caring that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

See how speculation works? As you know very well, the crucial thing is how this talk happens. You have zero proof that any missionary said “pray with me or your kid doesn’t have open heart surgery.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

Do you think they talked to the moms about "inviting Christ into their lives"? Or did the moms came up with that language on their own?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

Do you think they talked to the moms about "inviting Christ into their lives"? Or did the moms came up with that language on their own?

You want more speculation? How about this?

The missionary doctor was so loving that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

He handed her a pamphlet and told her that he had accepted Christ when he was 19. She took the pamphlet home and talked it over with her family and friends, including the atheist Marxist down the street.

After several months of learning more and taking to more family and friends, and getting an earfull from the atheist down the street, she decided this is something she wanted to do. So she went back to the doctor (her kid had healed several months ago) and asked him how to follow his faith. And that’s when he told her how to accept Jesus into her life.

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Not sure what image another poster is trying to portray of Haitians, but the country is about 86% Christian. More so than the U.S. now. So maybe the anti-Christians should stop pushing anti-Christianity on them.

LOL, yes, most of them are Christian already.

I’ve been doing a running gag about anti-missionary pp and her wine choices to show how patronizing she is, as she tries to ban (title of the thread) needed missionary aid because she thinks the poor recipients can’t make their own choices. Even if the aid comes with pressure, which many have told her it doesn’t, and which she’s fail to prove. I try to vary her location and wine choices to keep it interesting.

Do you think any of the missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

So because we’re not interested in your speculation about what might have happened in some video, you change tacks (holding tightly onto your beer as you steer the central rudder on your catamaran) and try to get us to speculate?

LOl no. Speculation is useless whoever is doing it.

Would you say that people are "speculating" when they say that missionaries don't talk to vulnerable people about Jesus?

The loving doctor was so kind and caring that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

See how speculation works? As you know very well, the crucial thing is how this talk happens. You have zero proof that any missionary said “pray with me or your kid doesn’t have open heart surgery.”

Would it be ethical for a missionary volunteer (doctor/chaplain/volunteer) to talk about Jesus to a patient or family member during a medical crisis? "Inviting Jesus", "Jesus heals", etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

Do you think they talked to the moms about "inviting Christ into their lives"? Or did the moms came up with that language on their own?

You want more speculation? How about this?

The missionary doctor was so loving that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

He handed her a pamphlet and told her that he had accepted Christ when he was 19. She took the pamphlet home and talked it over with her family and friends, including the atheist Marxist down the street.

After several months of learning more and taking to more family and friends, and getting an earfull from the atheist down the street, she decided this is something she wanted to do. So she went back to the doctor (her kid had healed several months ago) and asked him how to follow his faith. And that’s when he told her how to accept Jesus into her life.

OK - now do these Mongolian moms. They share details about their conversion so you don't even have to speculate that much.