Missionaries should be banned

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Christianity has been in Mongolia for over a thousand years, it's as much a native tradition as Buddhism.

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

Do you think they talked to the moms about "inviting Christ into their lives"? Or did the moms came up with that language on their own?

You want more speculation? How about this?

The missionary doctor was so loving that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

He handed her a pamphlet and told her that he had accepted Christ when he was 19. She took the pamphlet home and talked it over with her family and friends, including the atheist Marxist down the street.

After several months of learning more and taking to more family and friends, and getting an earfull from the atheist down the street, she decided this is something she wanted to do. So she went back to the doctor (her kid had healed several months ago) and asked him how to follow his faith. And that’s when he told her how to accept Jesus into her life.

OK - now do these Mongolian moms. They share details about their conversion so you don't even have to speculate that much.

Only trolls try to manipulate other people like puppets. And nobody wants to lose more of their day to more videos that, so far, have either been irrelevant or actually undermined your argument.

If there’s something there, it’s on you to transcribe it.

Buzz off until you have actual arguments.

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Anonymous wrote:Christianity has been in Mongolia for over a thousand years, it's as much a native tradition as Buddhism.

It's only 1.3% of population.

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

Do you think they talked to the moms about "inviting Christ into their lives"? Or did the moms came up with that language on their own?

You want more speculation? How about this?

The missionary doctor was so loving that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

He handed her a pamphlet and told her that he had accepted Christ when he was 19. She took the pamphlet home and talked it over with her family and friends, including the atheist Marxist down the street.

After several months of learning more and taking to more family and friends, and getting an earfull from the atheist down the street, she decided this is something she wanted to do. So she went back to the doctor (her kid had healed several months ago) and asked him how to follow his faith. And that’s when he told her how to accept Jesus into her life.

OK - now do these Mongolian moms. They share details about their conversion so you don't even have to speculate that much.

Only trolls try to manipulate other people like puppets. And nobody wants to lose more of their day to more videos that, so far, have either been irrelevant or actually undermined your argument.

If there’s something there, it’s on you to transcribe it.

Buzz off until you have actual arguments.

I'm just saying that you don't really need to speculate. And I don't need to transcribe. She is very explicit with her conversion.

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Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

[Anonymous]

Whether you think it actual happens or not...

Do you think it's ethical for missionaries to proselytize their religion (with words, not just actions) to vulnerable people during critical times?

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

Do you think they talked to the moms about "inviting Christ into their lives"? Or did the moms came up with that language on their own?

You want more speculation? How about this?

The missionary doctor was so loving that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

He handed her a pamphlet and told her that he had accepted Christ when he was 19. She took the pamphlet home and talked it over with her family and friends, including the atheist Marxist down the street.

After several months of learning more and taking to more family and friends, and getting an earfull from the atheist down the street, she decided this is something she wanted to do. So she went back to the doctor (her kid had healed several months ago) and asked him how to follow his faith. And that’s when he told her how to accept Jesus into her life.

OK - now do these Mongolian moms. They share details about their conversion so you don't even have to speculate that much.

Only trolls try to manipulate other people like puppets. And nobody wants to lose more of their day to more videos that, so far, have either been irrelevant or actually undermined your argument.

If there’s something there, it’s on you to transcribe it.

Buzz off until you have actual arguments.

I'm just saying that you don't really need to speculate. And I don't need to transcribe. She is very explicit with her conversion.

Mongolian mom says “They shared the Gospel with me.” No mention of how or why they shared it.

She could have seen a cross around somebody’s neck and asked about it. What are you implying here? I’m not a fan of the Grahams but there’s no evidence of nefarious goings-on.

Stop wasting everybody’s time with your multi-minute videos and useless speculation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether you think it actual happens or not...

Do you think it's ethical for missionaries to proselytize their religion (with words, not just actions) to vulnerable people during critical times?

I think your blasphemy against the holy spirit is horrifying, and I'm sick of it. It's demonic. Be gone!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

“Shared the gospel with me” tells us nothing.

Did the evil missionaries, after kidnapping mom and flying her and her sick kid to the Cayman Islands, tell her on the day of the surgery, “OK, now you have to accept Jesus or we won’t go through with it!”

Or did mom, after having spent days or weeks with the missionaries, first in Mongolia, then on the plane, and finally in the Cayman Islands, realize that they meant everything they said about helping her kid, that their kindness was unimaginable to her, and so she asked them about their religion.

You don’t know. Stop wasting our time with vague insinuations.

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Anonymous wrote:Ya'll have never been to these poor countries. If you could get some free dried rice and beans and milk powder for your children you would look at a cross too.

A lot of government aid rotted at the docks in Haiti after the last hurricane. The government was unable to get the aid through.

Many of the religious groups, while smaller, are more nimble in getting aid through.

PP who worked in Haiti here. This is exactly right. Here’s one of the many books about the failure of NGOs in Haiti: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Kindness-Haiti-International-NGOs/dp/0813553636/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=19I68GJFY7S2A&keywords=haiti+aid&qid=1644937156&sprefix=haiti+aid%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-2.

Anti-missionary pp, who is sitting in her comfy pool chair with a glass of rose on her Florida escape, wants to deny Haitians critical food and medical aid—which other groups aren’t providing enough of.

Why? Because pp is speculating about “how” people came to accept Jesus and whether their words are their own. Because, she thinks, Haitians are powerless to make their own choices.

Are you making crap up because you don't have a valid point to make?

As I've stated many times, I don't want to deny them anything. I just want to separate aid from proselytizing. Do both - just not at the same time when people are vulnerable.

You haven’t been able to show proselytizing. You’ve showed a guy setting an example and some people, who were probably already Christian, praying. Stop cursing when you have nothing to show.

Do you think any of these missionaries around the world are proselytizing?

And when you stop making crap up, I'll stop calling it out. Easy solution.

Do you think they’re proselytizing in any way besides setting an example, putting a cross on the wall, or maybe handing out pamphlets or bibles? If so, prove it. Otherwise, you’re still just speculating

Do you think the poor of other countries are incapable of making their own decisions? When you find a Gideon Bible in your hotel room, do you instantly convert?

When you stop posting crap speculation about what’s happening in videos you want us to watch, with your dire conclusions about why likely Christians are praying, we’ll pay attention to you. When you stop posting crap about how helping a desperately ill Mongolian child’s parents accompany the kid to stay with a welcoming host family is some sort of forced abduction, we’ll pay attention to you.

You are saying that you don't think anyone talked to the Mongolian moms about Jesus while they were here?

Do you think they had any choice other than to live with those host families for months?

Of course they said they’re Christian. Do you have a problem with that? Do you have the same problem with telling Haitian Christians that you’re atheist or whatever you are?

Nobody is interested in speculation, whether it’s your speculation or speculation in response to your questions. You need to find some real arguments.

How can you not realize that paying hotels would take deep cuts in small budgets, and reduce the overall care three groups can offer?

Do you think they talked to the moms about "inviting Christ into their lives"? Or did the moms came up with that language on their own?

You want more speculation? How about this?

The missionary doctor was so loving that the mother, who had noticed the cross on the wall, asked him about his faith.

He handed her a pamphlet and told her that he had accepted Christ when he was 19. She took the pamphlet home and talked it over with her family and friends, including the atheist Marxist down the street.

After several months of learning more and taking to more family and friends, and getting an earfull from the atheist down the street, she decided this is something she wanted to do. So she went back to the doctor (her kid had healed several months ago) and asked him how to follow his faith. And that’s when he told her how to accept Jesus into her life.

OK - now do these Mongolian moms. They share details about their conversion so you don't even have to speculate that much.

Only trolls try to manipulate other people like puppets. And nobody wants to lose more of their day to more videos that, so far, have either been irrelevant or actually undermined your argument.

If there’s something there, it’s on you to transcribe it.

Buzz off until you have actual arguments.

I'm just saying that you don't really need to speculate. And I don't need to transcribe. She is very explicit with her conversion.

Mongolian mom says “They shared the Gospel with me.” No mention of how or why they shared it.

She could have seen a cross around somebody’s neck and asked about it. What are you implying here? I’m not a fan of the Grahams but there’s no evidence of nefarious goings-on.

Stop wasting everybody’s time with your multi-minute videos and useless speculation.

Let's go ahead and say it happened. Let's say that they shared the Gospel in words with those moms. They told "the story of Jesus" and said something "Jesus can heal and protect you if you accept him into your life".

Do you think that would be ethical in that situation?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

“Shared the gospel with me” tells us nothing.

Did the evil missionaries, after kidnapping mom and flying her and her sick kid to the Cayman Islands, tell her on the day of the surgery, “OK, now you have to accept Jesus or we won’t go through with it!”

Or did mom, after having spent days or weeks with the missionaries, first in Mongolia, then on the plane, and finally in the Cayman Islands, realize that they meant everything they said about helping her kid, that their kindness was unimaginable to her, and so she asked them about their religion.

You don’t know. Stop wasting our time with vague insinuations.

You think the Mongolian mom from the earlier video asked the host family about their religion? They didn't bring it up as part of "sharing the Gospel in both word and deed"? What if they did bring it up? Would that be ethical in that scenario?

And what about this Mongolian mom. They "shared the Gospel" with her in the waiting room. She says that is when they told her about Jesus Christ and accepting Jesus Christ. Was that ethical in that scenario? And it's not vague at all - she very clearly tells us what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

“Shared the gospel with me” tells us nothing.

Did the evil missionaries, after kidnapping mom and flying her and her sick kid to the Cayman Islands, tell her on the day of the surgery, “OK, now you have to accept Jesus or we won’t go through with it!”

Or did mom, after having spent days or weeks with the missionaries, first in Mongolia, then on the plane, and finally in the Cayman Islands, realize that they meant everything they said about helping her kid, that their kindness was unimaginable to her, and so she asked them about their religion.

You don’t know. Stop wasting our time with vague insinuations.

You think the Mongolian mom from the earlier video asked the host family about their religion? They didn't bring it up as part of "sharing the Gospel in both word and deed"? What if they did bring it up? Would that be ethical in that scenario?

And what about this Mongolian mom. They "shared the Gospel" with her in the waiting room. She says that is when they told her about Jesus Christ and accepting Jesus Christ. Was that ethical in that scenario? And it's not vague at all - she very clearly tells us what happened.

Already answered, why are you asking again?

All that we know about what “happened” is that they “shared.” We don’t know anything about who initiated the sharing (mom or missionaries?) or what it looked like (“convert or your kid dies” vs. “what does that hold symbol around your neck mean” or “why are you helping us?” … “we’re helping because that’s what Jesus would do”). The answers to these questions make ALL THE DIFFERENCE, but we simply don’t know.

Sick of speculating with a spoiled DCUMer about who said what in a Mongolian yurt or doctor’s office. Sick of pushing back against your racism about people in developing countries being too dumb to make their own choices and therefore we need to ban the help they need. Enjoy all that wine. Bye.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

“Shared the gospel with me” tells us nothing.

Did the evil missionaries, after kidnapping mom and flying her and her sick kid to the Cayman Islands, tell her on the day of the surgery, “OK, now you have to accept Jesus or we won’t go through with it!”

Or did mom, after having spent days or weeks with the missionaries, first in Mongolia, then on the plane, and finally in the Cayman Islands, realize that they meant everything they said about helping her kid, that their kindness was unimaginable to her, and so she asked them about their religion.

You don’t know. Stop wasting our time with vague insinuations.

You think the Mongolian mom from the earlier video asked the host family about their religion? They didn't bring it up as part of "sharing the Gospel in both word and deed"? What if they did bring it up? Would that be ethical in that scenario?

And what about this Mongolian mom. They "shared the Gospel" with her in the waiting room. She says that is when they told her about Jesus Christ and accepting Jesus Christ. Was that ethical in that scenario? And it's not vague at all - she very clearly tells us what happened.

Already answered, why are you asking again?

All that we know about what “happened” is that they “shared.” We don’t know anything about who initiated the sharing (mom or missionaries?) or what it looked like (“convert or your kid dies” vs. “what does that hold symbol around your neck mean” or “why are you helping us?” … “we’re helping because that’s what Jesus would do”). The answers to these questions make ALL THE DIFFERENCE, but we simply don’t know.

Sick of speculating with a spoiled DCUMer about who said what in a Mongolian yurt or doctor’s office. Sick of pushing back against your racism about people in developing countries being too dumb to make their own choices and therefore we need to ban the help they need. Enjoy all that wine. Bye.

You never answered if you thought it was ethical or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whether you think it actual happens or not...

Do you think it's ethical for missionaries to proselytize their religion (with words, not just actions) to vulnerable people during critical times?

I think your blasphemy against the holy spirit is horrifying, and I'm sick of it. It's demonic. Be gone!

So there are heretics on DCUM? OMG

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whether you think it actual happens or not...
Do you think it's ethical for missionaries to proselytize their religion (with words, not just actions) to vulnerable people during critical times?

I think your blasphemy against the holy spirit is horrifying, and I'm sick of it. It's demonic. Be gone!

So there are heretics on DCUM? OMG

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