Places to Sign Recall Petitions - Tholen/Omeish/Cohen

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You may get Tholen not to run again. Congratualtions. This is simply a fools errand. I am not a Tholen fan or enemy. I could care less if she runs or not. If we try to recall everyone who makes bad decisions (or decisions that are bad in one's view - or the small percentage who need to sign a petition), the pool of candidates will get weaker and weaker. No chance she is removed. People will yell. Next election a small group will continue to yell and then on to the next outrage. Frankly, this is just unhealthy, unproductive, and unhelpful.

Disagree - the pool of candidates will get larger because people have seen how weak School Board members like Tholen have turned out to be.

Or they will avoid it because they saw that it’s harder than it looks and people will slam you no matter what…

It's not that hard when you actually focus on education and serving all the students in your district.

The current members of the School Board, Tholen being one example, haven't done that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

Remember when the going joke was that there was "no support" and they "would never get enough signatures?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Have the signatures been verified yet? Considering they were obtained in parking lots of shopping centers, I hope they have lots of extras above the threshold to account for people who signed and were not in Tholen’s district.

They needed @ 3600, they got over 5000, and the signatures were collected in person at locations within the relevant magisterial districts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

Remember when the going joke was that there was "no support" and they "would never get enough signatures?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

But really nobody cares. If I wanted to, I could get 5,000 signatures for a lot of nonsense. Not worth my time so I won't. Go get 'em tiger.

Except they do, or there wouldn't have been so many people who collected the signatures and signed the petitions. Unlikely you've ever taken any initiative that required that much effort.

[Anonymous]

I have no doubt there are 5000 entitled and demanding people in the Dranesville district who would pitch a fit and sue if they didn’t get exactly what they want and people disagree with their position. Doesn’t make them right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt there are 5000 entitled and demanding people in the Dranesville district who would pitch a fit and sue if they didn’t get exactly what they want and people disagree with their position. Doesn’t make them right.

I doubt trashing the residents of Tholen’s district will improve her reputation or standing, but go ahead and try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

I think it has a great chance of succeeding. The judge is going to make the easiest ruling - they met the bar for signatures and their complaint will be well written and provide evidence she went against against published and widely circulated government guidelines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

I think it has a great chance of succeeding. The judge is going to make the easiest ruling - they met the bar for signatures and their complaint will be well written and provide evidence she went against against published and widely circulated government guidelines.

You can read the complaint.

https://openfcpscoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Final-Tholen-Open-FCPS-Coalition-Petition-Form.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

Remember when the going joke was that there was "no support" and they "would never get enough signatures?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Have the signatures been verified yet? Considering they were obtained in parking lots of shopping centers, I hope they have lots of extras above the threshold to account for people who signed and were not in Tholen’s district.

If we can register to vote in parking lots of shopping centers, why is that not good enough to sign the petition? In fact, what if I signed the petition and threw it in a locked box in an empty parking lot so some random official could eventually collect it? Maybe randomly mail out the petition to thousands of people, without them requesting it, and ask them to sign it? No, how about when the Court verifies the signatures, they cover the windows and dont let anyone see how they are being verified? That seems cool too, right? Oh wait, sorry, not cool...in this situation.

Sorry, lost my focus. Stay focused on the left-wing school board members - in fact, to quote Michelle Leete, "let them..." <no wait - that is going too far>

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

Remember when the going joke was that there was "no support" and they "would never get enough signatures?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Have the signatures been verified yet? Considering they were obtained in parking lots of shopping centers, I hope they have lots of extras above the threshold to account for people who signed and were not in Tholen’s district.

If we can register to vote in parking lots of shopping centers, why is that not good enough to sign the petition? In fact, what if I signed the petition and threw it in a locked box in an empty parking lot so some random official could eventually collect it? Maybe randomly mail out the petition to thousands of people, without them requesting it, and ask them to sign it? No, how about when the Court verifies the signatures, they cover the windows and dont let anyone see how they are being verified? That seems cool too, right? Oh wait, sorry, not cool...in this situation.

Sorry, lost my focus. Stay focused on the left-wing school board members - in fact, to quote Michelle Leete, "let them..." <no wait - that is going too far>

The point was that they collected signatures in shopping centers in Dranesville. Many people don’t know what district they live in. I was asked to sign the Cohen petition, but I don’t live in her district, I was just shopping there. Hence the question (with no underlying intent) asking if the signatures had been verified/if they had additional signatures. But thanks for your voting rant. Fwiw, I’m a R, but not your brand of restrict voting rights and recall the world R. And that’s what is wrong with the party.

[Anonymous]

One reason to have well over 1400 “overage” signatures was to allow for the possibility that some fraction of the signatures might be invalidated. However, the organizers appear to have done a good job of scrubbing the signatures actually obtained, which ultimately matters more than the signatures originally solicited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

Remember when the going joke was that there was "no support" and they "would never get enough signatures?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Have the signatures been verified yet? Considering they were obtained in parking lots of shopping centers, I hope they have lots of extras above the threshold to account for people who signed and were not in Tholen’s district.

If we can register to vote in parking lots of shopping centers, why is that not good enough to sign the petition? In fact, what if I signed the petition and threw it in a locked box in an empty parking lot so some random official could eventually collect it? Maybe randomly mail out the petition to thousands of people, without them requesting it, and ask them to sign it? No, how about when the Court verifies the signatures, they cover the windows and dont let anyone see how they are being verified? That seems cool too, right? Oh wait, sorry, not cool...in this situation.

Sorry, lost my focus. Stay focused on the left-wing school board members - in fact, to quote Michelle Leete, "let them..." <no wait - that is going too far>

The point was that they collected signatures in shopping centers in Dranesville. Many people don’t know what district they live in. I was asked to sign the Cohen petition, but I don’t live in her district, I was just shopping there. Hence the question (with no underlying intent) asking if the signatures had been verified/if they had additional signatures. But thanks for your voting rant. Fwiw, I’m a R, but not your brand of restrict voting rights and recall the world R. And that’s what is wrong with the party.

Umm...

The recall is an established part of the political process for school board members in Virginia.

It is no different from the impeachment, except that the recall is grass roots driven and organized by citizens in the district that the school board member represents.

No one who respects the legal political process should be disparaging the constituents who organized the recall.

And yes, they verified every single signature for residency and duplicates, including the almost 1500 extra signatures.

The petition signers had Omeish petitions, so anyone who did not love in Cohen or Tholens district could sign her petition. She is almost half way there, which is pretty amazing considering they only collected in 2 districts and have not yet fanned out to collect in the rest of FC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

Remember when the going joke was that there was "no support" and they "would never get enough signatures?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Have the signatures been verified yet? Considering they were obtained in parking lots of shopping centers, I hope they have lots of extras above the threshold to account for people who signed and were not in Tholen’s district.

If we can register to vote in parking lots of shopping centers, why is that not good enough to sign the petition? In fact, what if I signed the petition and threw it in a locked box in an empty parking lot so some random official could eventually collect it? Maybe randomly mail out the petition to thousands of people, without them requesting it, and ask them to sign it? No, how about when the Court verifies the signatures, they cover the windows and dont let anyone see how they are being verified? That seems cool too, right? Oh wait, sorry, not cool...in this situation.

Sorry, lost my focus. Stay focused on the left-wing school board members - in fact, to quote Michelle Leete, "let them..." <no wait - that is going too far>

The point was that they collected signatures in shopping centers in Dranesville. Many people don’t know what district they live in. I was asked to sign the Cohen petition, but I don’t live in her district, I was just shopping there. Hence the question (with no underlying intent) asking if the signatures had been verified/if they had additional signatures. But thanks for your voting rant. Fwiw, I’m a R, but not your brand of restrict voting rights and recall the world R. And that’s what is wrong with the party.

Restrict voting rights? How about simply verify citizenship, per the Constitution, and identity, vice dropping your registration in a metal box. You are right, we are not the same, not even close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd be embarrassed as hell if I were her and over 5000 of the people in my district said they wanted me replaced for gross negligence. The recall gets covered now and will get most of the publicity; if a judge tosses it later that will only get a fraction of the attention.

This has 0.0% chance of succeeding in the Courts, regardless of the judge assigned. Further, it will be all but forgotten by almost everyone come next election, and 90% of those who do, will just remember what a ridiculous waste of time and energy this was. This may succeed in getting her to say forget about another term, but maybe that is the point.

Remember when the going joke was that there was "no support" and they "would never get enough signatures?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Have the signatures been verified yet? Considering they were obtained in parking lots of shopping centers, I hope they have lots of extras above the threshold to account for people who signed and were not in Tholen’s district.

If we can register to vote in parking lots of shopping centers, why is that not good enough to sign the petition? In fact, what if I signed the petition and threw it in a locked box in an empty parking lot so some random official could eventually collect it? Maybe randomly mail out the petition to thousands of people, without them requesting it, and ask them to sign it? No, how about when the Court verifies the signatures, they cover the windows and dont let anyone see how they are being verified? That seems cool too, right? Oh wait, sorry, not cool...in this situation.

Sorry, lost my focus. Stay focused on the left-wing school board members - in fact, to quote Michelle Leete, "let them..." <no wait - that is going too far>

The point was that they collected signatures in shopping centers in Dranesville. Many people don’t know what district they live in. I was asked to sign the Cohen petition, but I don’t live in her district, I was just shopping there. Hence the question (with no underlying intent) asking if the signatures had been verified/if they had additional signatures. But thanks for your voting rant. Fwiw, I’m a R, but not your brand of restrict voting rights and recall the world R. And that’s what is wrong with the party.

Umm...

The recall is an established part of the political process for school board members in Virginia.

It is no different from the impeachment, except that the recall is grass roots driven and organized by citizens in the district that the school board member represents.

No one who respects the legal political process should be disparaging the constituents who organized the recall.

And yes, they verified every single signature for residency and duplicates, including the almost 1500 extra signatures.

The petition signers had Omeish petitions, so anyone who did not love in Cohen or Tholens district could sign her petition. She is almost half way there, which is pretty amazing considering they only collected in 2 districts and have not yet fanned out to collect in the rest of FC

I’m a lawyer. Having not read the number of signatures required in the article I read about the recall this morning, I was curious as to if they had additional signatures over the required number. I dont think I “disparaged the constituents who organized the recall.”
And Omeish is in a different league than Cohen and Tholen. Far more people are willing to say that she is out of line and negligent. I personally dont subscribe to Cohen or Tholen’s politics, but I don’t think their actions fall into recall territory. I absolutely think that Omeish’s actions do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt there are 5000 entitled and demanding people in the Dranesville district who would pitch a fit and sue if they didn’t get exactly what they want and people disagree with their position. Doesn’t make them right.

I doubt trashing the residents of Tholen’s district will improve her reputation or standing, but go ahead and try.

I wrote that and I am a Dranesville resident. I have seen this entitled behavior for years — many in this area cannot tolerate not getting what they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt there are 5000 entitled and demanding people in the Dranesville district who would pitch a fit and sue if they didn’t get exactly what they want and people disagree with their position. Doesn’t make them right.

I doubt trashing the residents of Tholen’s district will improve her reputation or standing, but go ahead and try.

I wrote that and I am a Dranesville resident. I have seen this entitled behavior for years — many in this area cannot tolerate not getting what they want.

What you call entitlement others might consider reasonable expectations. I don’t know how a judge will dispose of this petition but do know Tholen has been weak and self-serving.