Discrimination against Asians

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Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

Which they do, actually

Whites do not decrease in ANY scenario. They increase A LOT in EVERY scenario.

When you start 75% Asian ANY policy will increase all non-Asian groups. That does not imply that the intent is to increase white enrollment. There is no evidence of that conspiracy.

Why is there a need for ANY policy just because the school is 70% Asian? I don't see the urgency or the legality to it. The admission office can't see applicants' name or race under the current policy. It is totally race blind.

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This may or may not have happened when he was younger but certainly does not happen now. He is very well regarded in his profession. No one would say that he speaks English well. How ridiculous. This is not the 80s. Come on.

I was told my English is really good a few years ago in the DC area. I was born in America but am of Indian origin. You’re deluding yourself.

Re bolded comment, this made me laugh. This still happens. Maybe not as persistently as in the past decades but the underlying current is still very much there. I am considered highly successful, in a senior position in a profession filled with graduates from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Ivies, Duke, Gtown, UVA etc. I live in an affluent area of NOVA. People in professional or neighborhood settings have commented on how polished and articulate I am. Or point out that I speak without an accent. Most of my Asian-American friends with similar levels of success have their own stories about these types of situations. You kind of laugh it off because success helps wash over a lot of things. But it is still not pleasant, and it is a form of microaggression.

Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

The PP is the one who should get over yourself. You are using your recent immigrant experience to discount the experiences of 2nd and 3rd generation Asian-Americans. We are talking about Americans who were born here and only lived here.

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This may or may not have happened when he was younger but certainly does not happen now. He is very well regarded in his profession. No one would say that he speaks English well. How ridiculous. This is not the 80s. Come on.

I was told my English is really good a few years ago in the DC area. I was born in America but am of Indian origin. You’re deluding yourself.

Re bolded comment, this made me laugh. This still happens. Maybe not as persistently as in the past decades but the underlying current is still very much there. I am considered highly successful, in a senior position in a profession filled with graduates from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Ivies, Duke, Gtown, UVA etc. I live in an affluent area of NOVA. People in professional or neighborhood settings have commented on how polished and articulate I am. Or point out that I speak without an accent. Most of my Asian-American friends with similar levels of success have their own stories about these types of situations. You kind of laugh it off because success helps wash over a lot of things. But it is still not pleasant, and it is a form of microaggression.

Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

The PP is the one who should get over yourself. You are using your recent immigrant experience to discount the experiences of 2nd and 3rd generation Asian-Americans. We are talking about Americans who were born here and only lived here.

I'm not discounting your experience at all, just pointing out the fact that most Asians in the US are not like you, they are foreign born like me. It's natural for other Americans to treat you like the exception that you are. When people look at your face, they expect you to be foreign born, because most of the people that look like you, are foreign born. It's not their fault that these are the facts. They don't owe you anything, so it's not their job to find out whether you are born in the US or somewhere else. Instead of expecting others to change their behavior for your benefit, you need to just realize that this is simply reality of how people generalize the world around them. You've done it countless times yourself.

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This may or may not have happened when he was younger but certainly does not happen now. He is very well regarded in his profession. No one would say that he speaks English well. How ridiculous. This is not the 80s. Come on.

I was told my English is really good a few years ago in the DC area. I was born in America but am of Indian origin. You’re deluding yourself.

Re bolded comment, this made me laugh. This still happens. Maybe not as persistently as in the past decades but the underlying current is still very much there. I am considered highly successful, in a senior position in a profession filled with graduates from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Ivies, Duke, Gtown, UVA etc. I live in an affluent area of NOVA. People in professional or neighborhood settings have commented on how polished and articulate I am. Or point out that I speak without an accent. Most of my Asian-American friends with similar levels of success have their own stories about these types of situations. You kind of laugh it off because success helps wash over a lot of things. But it is still not pleasant, and it is a form of microaggression.

Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

Wow, so many things in this previous post. PP really doesn't get it. Even the cited "common fact" that most Asians in this country are first generations is wrong. Also, Asian-Americans that are getting these comments are not first generation. They are often second, third generations who have spent their entire lives here in the US, which is the whole point about why these types of statements about being impressed with one's English is offensive.

PP here, my facts are based on real actual data:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/08/key-facts-about-asian-americans/

Among adult Asian Americans in the US, 73% are foreign born. When your average non-Asian American meet an Asian adult like the victim of micro aggressions above, their default assumption that the Asian is of foreign birth is statistically accurate. You may not like it, but this is simply the common fact.

Interesting how you didn't include the rest of the information:

"The modern immigration wave from Asia has accounted for one-quarter of all immigrants who have arrived in the U.S. since 1965. Today 59% of the U.S. Asian population was born in another country. That share rises to 73% among adult Asians. Yet, when and how Asian immigrants arrived in the U.S. varies, which helps explain why some groups have greater shares of U.S. born or foreign born among their populations. For example, only 27% of Japanese, who began arriving in the 19th century as plantation workers in what is now the state of Hawaii, are immigrants. By contrast, many Bhutanese arrived recently as refugees, and nearly all (92%) are foreign born."

As this study suggests, Asians are not a monolithic group. It's not appropriate for anyone to have a default assumptions about Asian-Americans or others.

The rest of the article essentially further supports the data that Asians as a group is predominantly foreign born. Your lack of willingness to admit to your ignorance and thank others for giving you real facts is a sign of poor upbringing.

Your mention about Japanese is ironic on 3 fronts: 1) we are not in Hawaii, 2)Japanese people in Hawaii do not get commented about their English because most of them are US-born, and 3) even if we were talking about Japanese outside of Hawaii, I doubt even other East Asians can pick out a Japanese, yet some how you expect a Western European American to be able to magically treat us all differently.

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This may or may not have happened when he was younger but certainly does not happen now. He is very well regarded in his profession. No one would say that he speaks English well. How ridiculous. This is not the 80s. Come on.

I was told my English is really good a few years ago in the DC area. I was born in America but am of Indian origin. You’re deluding yourself.

Re bolded comment, this made me laugh. This still happens. Maybe not as persistently as in the past decades but the underlying current is still very much there. I am considered highly successful, in a senior position in a profession filled with graduates from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Ivies, Duke, Gtown, UVA etc. I live in an affluent area of NOVA. People in professional or neighborhood settings have commented on how polished and articulate I am. Or point out that I speak without an accent. Most of my Asian-American friends with similar levels of success have their own stories about these types of situations. You kind of laugh it off because success helps wash over a lot of things. But it is still not pleasant, and it is a form of microaggression.

Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

Wow, so many things in this previous post. PP really doesn't get it. Even the cited "common fact" that most Asians in this country are first generations is wrong. Also, Asian-Americans that are getting these comments are not first generation. They are often second, third generations who have spent their entire lives here in the US, which is the whole point about why these types of statements about being impressed with one's English is offensive.

PP here, my facts are based on real actual data:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/08/key-facts-about-asian-americans/

Among adult Asian Americans in the US, 73% are foreign born. When your average non-Asian American meet an Asian adult like the victim of micro aggressions above, their default assumption that the Asian is of foreign birth is statistically accurate. You may not like it, but this is simply the common fact.

Interesting how you didn't include the rest of the information:

"The modern immigration wave from Asia has accounted for one-quarter of all immigrants who have arrived in the U.S. since 1965. Today 59% of the U.S. Asian population was born in another country. That share rises to 73% among adult Asians. Yet, when and how Asian immigrants arrived in the U.S. varies, which helps explain why some groups have greater shares of U.S. born or foreign born among their populations. For example, only 27% of Japanese, who began arriving in the 19th century as plantation workers in what is now the state of Hawaii, are immigrants. By contrast, many Bhutanese arrived recently as refugees, and nearly all (92%) are foreign born."

As this study suggests, Asians are not a monolithic group. It's not appropriate for anyone to have a default assumptions about Asian-Americans or others.

The rest of the article essentially further supports the data that Asians as a group is predominantly foreign born. Your lack of willingness to admit to your ignorance and thank others for giving you real facts is a sign of poor upbringing.

Your mention about Japanese is ironic on 3 fronts: 1) we are not in Hawaii, 2)Japanese people in Hawaii do not get commented about their English because most of them are US-born, and 3) even if we were talking about Japanese outside of Hawaii, I doubt even other East Asians can pick out a Japanese, yet some how you expect a Western European American to be able to magically treat us all differently.

Your logic is so flawed that your posts don't warrant anymore response. I am not taking your bait on personal attacks. Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

PP with the facts here. I'm seeing this happening among the people that share my cultural background, especially the US-born ones. It is now somewhat fashionable for minorities to feel some sense of outrage because of something-something-white-people-did. This trope of "we'll never be seen and accepted as American" has shown up multiple times in my social circle. I find it repulsive as it vilifies people purely for making a generalized observation, and a compliment at that. Asians have no other reason to complain: relative to the overall US population, we live in good neighborhoods, make a good living, our kids are provided with good education, and the crime rate in our communities are low. Some of us feel left out in the "America is Racist" game and want our spot in the intersectional Olympics.

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This may or may not have happened when he was younger but certainly does not happen now. He is very well regarded in his profession. No one would say that he speaks English well. How ridiculous. This is not the 80s. Come on.

I was told my English is really good a few years ago in the DC area. I was born in America but am of Indian origin. You’re deluding yourself.

Re bolded comment, this made me laugh. This still happens. Maybe not as persistently as in the past decades but the underlying current is still very much there. I am considered highly successful, in a senior position in a profession filled with graduates from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Ivies, Duke, Gtown, UVA etc. I live in an affluent area of NOVA. People in professional or neighborhood settings have commented on how polished and articulate I am. Or point out that I speak without an accent. Most of my Asian-American friends with similar levels of success have their own stories about these types of situations. You kind of laugh it off because success helps wash over a lot of things. But it is still not pleasant, and it is a form of microaggression.

Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

Wow, so many things in this previous post. PP really doesn't get it. Even the cited "common fact" that most Asians in this country are first generations is wrong. Also, Asian-Americans that are getting these comments are not first generation. They are often second, third generations who have spent their entire lives here in the US, which is the whole point about why these types of statements about being impressed with one's English is offensive.

PP here, my facts are based on real actual data:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/08/key-facts-about-asian-americans/

Among adult Asian Americans in the US, 73% are foreign born. When your average non-Asian American meet an Asian adult like the victim of micro aggressions above, their default assumption that the Asian is of foreign birth is statistically accurate. You may not like it, but this is simply the common fact.

Interesting how you didn't include the rest of the information:

"The modern immigration wave from Asia has accounted for one-quarter of all immigrants who have arrived in the U.S. since 1965. Today 59% of the U.S. Asian population was born in another country. That share rises to 73% among adult Asians. Yet, when and how Asian immigrants arrived in the U.S. varies, which helps explain why some groups have greater shares of U.S. born or foreign born among their populations. For example, only 27% of Japanese, who began arriving in the 19th century as plantation workers in what is now the state of Hawaii, are immigrants. By contrast, many Bhutanese arrived recently as refugees, and nearly all (92%) are foreign born."

As this study suggests, Asians are not a monolithic group. It's not appropriate for anyone to have a default assumptions about Asian-Americans or others.

The rest of the article essentially further supports the data that Asians as a group is predominantly foreign born. Your lack of willingness to admit to your ignorance and thank others for giving you real facts is a sign of poor upbringing.

Your mention about Japanese is ironic on 3 fronts: 1) we are not in Hawaii, 2)Japanese people in Hawaii do not get commented about their English because most of them are US-born, and 3) even if we were talking about Japanese outside of Hawaii, I doubt even other East Asians can pick out a Japanese, yet some how you expect a Western European American to be able to magically treat us all differently.

Your logic is so flawed that your posts don't warrant anymore response. I am not taking your bait on personal attacks. Good luck.

Yet you felt the need to pound out this one worthless post devoid of content... You bring shame to your family's name.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

Imagine if you were born and raised in the US, speaking English. And then someone says your English is so good or where are you really from? It makes certain assumptions about your background and reinforces the notion that you are not from the US simply because of the way you look.

On your African doctor example, I think an African-American poster can weigh in.

The assumption is made based on a generalization of otherwise truthful facts, and not some racist agenda. When you see a white person, why do you assume that they are born in the US and not an immigrant from Europe?

[Anonymous]

Some people prepare for the tests and others just want to destroy, whether it’s Kumon or TJ.

https://twitter.com/julio_rosas11/status/1314025229350506496?s=21

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

PP with the facts here. I'm seeing this happening among the people that share my cultural background, especially the US-born ones. It is now somewhat fashionable for minorities to feel some sense of outrage because of something-something-white-people-did. This trope of "we'll never be seen and accepted as American" has shown up multiple times in my social circle. I find it repulsive as it vilifies people purely for making a generalized observation, and a compliment at that. Asians have no other reason to complain: relative to the overall US population, we live in good neighborhoods, make a good living, our kids are provided with good education, and the crime rate in our communities are low. Some of us feel left out in the "America is Racist" game and want our spot in the intersectional Olympics.

DP here. Oh, honey. I am embarrassed by and ashamed of you.

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Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

Which they do, actually

Whites do not decrease in ANY scenario. They increase A LOT in EVERY scenario.

When you start 75% Asian ANY policy will increase all non-Asian groups. That does not imply that the intent is to increase white enrollment. There is no evidence of that conspiracy.

Why is there a need for ANY policy just because the school is 70% Asian? I don't see the urgency or the legality to it. The admission office can't see applicants' name or race under the current policy. It is totally race blind.

Because the Democratic Left and there woke/SJW allies will not rest until demographics match population. In this case it is unacceptable to them that there aren't more black and hispanic folks at TJ. The qualifications don't matter. The race is what matters. They are running models and will pick the policy that will increase black and hispanic students the most. And when these students require remedial work and/or withdraw it won't matter. The democratic party prays at the altar of the URM diversity gods.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

PP with the facts here. I'm seeing this happening among the people that share my cultural background, especially the US-born ones. It is now somewhat fashionable for minorities to feel some sense of outrage because of something-something-white-people-did. This trope of "we'll never be seen and accepted as American" has shown up multiple times in my social circle. I find it repulsive as it vilifies people purely for making a generalized observation, and a compliment at that. Asians have no other reason to complain: relative to the overall US population, we live in good neighborhoods, make a good living, our kids are provided with good education, and the crime rate in our communities are low. Some of us feel left out in the "America is Racist" game and want our spot in the intersectional Olympics.

DP here. Oh, honey. I am embarrassed by and ashamed of you.

PP here. Asians don't call each other honey on the regular. This is cultural appropriation and definitely microaggression. You should apologize.

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Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

Which they do, actually

Whites do not decrease in ANY scenario. They increase A LOT in EVERY scenario.

When you start 75% Asian ANY policy will increase all non-Asian groups. That does not imply that the intent is to increase white enrollment. There is no evidence of that conspiracy.

Why is there a need for ANY policy just because the school is 70% Asian? I don't see the urgency or the legality to it. The admission office can't see applicants' name or race under the current policy. It is totally race blind.

Because the Democratic Left and there woke/SJW allies will not rest until demographics match population. In this case it is unacceptable to them that there aren't more black and hispanic folks at TJ. The qualifications don't matter. The race is what matters. They are running models and will pick the policy that will increase black and hispanic students the most. And when these students require remedial work and/or withdraw it won't matter. The democratic party prays at the altar of the URM diversity gods.

I think instead off offering remedial or let the kids withdraw, teachers will be blamed for discriminating The students and start to water down the curriculum to meet the lowest denominate.

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Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

Which they do, actually

Whites do not decrease in ANY scenario. They increase A LOT in EVERY scenario.

When you start 75% Asian ANY policy will increase all non-Asian groups. That does not imply that the intent is to increase white enrollment. There is no evidence of that conspiracy.

Why is there a need for ANY policy just because the school is 70% Asian? I don't see the urgency or the legality to it. The admission office can't see applicants' name or race under the current policy. It is totally race blind.

Because the Democratic Left and there woke/SJW allies will not rest until demographics match population. In this case it is unacceptable to them that there aren't more black and hispanic folks at TJ. The qualifications don't matter. The race is what matters. They are running models and will pick the policy that will increase black and hispanic students the most. And when these students require remedial work and/or withdraw it won't matter. The democratic party prays at the altar of the URM diversity gods.

I think instead off offering remedial or let the kids withdraw, teachers will be blamed for discriminating The students and start to water down the curriculum to meet the lowest denominate.

Sounds apocalyptic. You should probably seek refuge elsewhere before the non-Asians show up and pollute your perfect school. Maybe a Asra Nomani Charter School will open somewhere in West Virginia where her car is registered.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

PP with the facts here. I'm seeing this happening among the people that share my cultural background, especially the US-born ones. It is now somewhat fashionable for minorities to feel some sense of outrage because of something-something-white-people-did. This trope of "we'll never be seen and accepted as American" has shown up multiple times in my social circle. I find it repulsive as it vilifies people purely for making a generalized observation, and a compliment at that. Asians have no other reason to complain: relative to the overall US population, we live in good neighborhoods, make a good living, our kids are provided with good education, and the crime rate in our communities are low. Some of us feel left out in the "America is Racist" game and want our spot in the intersectional Olympics.

You are completely missing the point.

If people say to a black person, "oh, wow, your english is so good, it doesn't sound at all low class/uneducated, and oh you have a degree from a good college? Wow..." ... people would say that is racist and stereotyping.

Yet, you think if people stereotype Asian Americans then that's fine. I am not 100% sure that you are even Asian, but if you are, then I assume that you are ok with stereotyping, and you would also stereotype black people, and be one of those people who say to a black person, "oh wow, your english is so good.. you don't sound uneducated and stupid.. and wow you have a degree from a good college."

I would advise you to keep your stereotypes to yourself, else you will get an a$$ woopin' from said Black person.