Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

[Anonymous]

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Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

Dude, the BMW drivers are the aholes? And here I thought is was the Audi drivers. I've been living a lie!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

Imagine if you were born and raised in the US, speaking English. And then someone says your English is so good or where are you really from? It makes certain assumptions about your background and reinforces the notion that you are not from the US simply because of the way you look.

On your African doctor example, I think an African-American poster can weigh in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

Ladies and gentlemen, white privilege!

You assume we are other and not American. You are the same as trump who over and over again suggests that brown people are not American and should go back to their own (s**thole) country. You should not deal with people as statistics. It is mind boggling that you don’t get how marginalizing it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

Which they do, actually

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

Which they do, actually

Whites do not decrease in ANY scenario. They increase A LOT in EVERY scenario.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

Ladies and gentlemen, white privilege!

You assume we are other and not American. You are the same as trump who over and over again suggests that brown people are not American and should go back to their own (s**thole) country. You should not deal with people as statistics. It is mind boggling that you don’t get how marginalizing it is.

+1 goes to show that even liberals don't realize what "white privilege" means.

[Anonymous]

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This may or may not have happened when he was younger but certainly does not happen now. He is very well regarded in his profession. No one would say that he speaks English well. How ridiculous. This is not the 80s. Come on.

I was told my English is really good a few years ago in the DC area. I was born in America but am of Indian origin. You’re deluding yourself.

Re bolded comment, this made me laugh. This still happens. Maybe not as persistently as in the past decades but the underlying current is still very much there. I am considered highly successful, in a senior position in a profession filled with graduates from Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Ivies, Duke, Gtown, UVA etc. I live in an affluent area of NOVA. People in professional or neighborhood settings have commented on how polished and articulate I am. Or point out that I speak without an accent. Most of my Asian-American friends with similar levels of success have their own stories about these types of situations. You kind of laugh it off because success helps wash over a lot of things. But it is still not pleasant, and it is a form of microaggression.

Oh my gawd. Get over yourself. People don't form these opinions based on a vacuum. It's natural human behavior for us to hold simplified views of the world around us, especially things of little significance or importance to our personal lives. That all BMW drivers are aholes is one such belief. While it may seem offensive for others to be surprised by your excellent English, it's a common fact that most Asians in this country are first generation immigrants, with English as a second language, often learned during teenage years, leading to an audible accent. As time goes on, we have more and more Asians in this country that have a great command of English, and speak with little to no accent, and therefore people's perception changes naturally. That some are still impressed by your English doesn't somehow make it an aggression. Personally, I am glad when someone mentions to me that my English is excellent, wondering if I was born in the US. I am eager to share that I came to the US in my teenage years, but that I had a wonderful English teacher who personally recorded cassette tapes to help me with my enunciation. Next time this person encounters another Asian who speaks English well, he will be less surprised by it, and less likely to make a comment. People don't make these comments because they are impolite, but because they are misinformed. Being misinformed is the natural state, and it's not a reason to dislike someone for it. You ought to know better.

You weren't born here.. that's why it does not offend you. If you are Chinese, I'm sure you would not like it if people assumed you brought the ch!na virus here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every group is subject to micro-aggressions these days, including whites. Invoking microaggressions against Asians in the context of suggesting more shouldn't be done to increase the number of URMs at TJ is not going to work.

I don't think that's what posters are saying. Recognizing that there is discrimination against Asian Americans and working to do more to increase the number of URMs are not mutually exclusive.

they are if the reducing the number of Asians at TJ is considered discriminatory. It's a zero sum game- AA and hispanic present is basically zero. Raise them to 10 or 15% of the class and you will necessarily bring down the number of Asians (and whites) at the school unless they plan on increasing class sizes

Which they do, actually

Whites do not decrease in ANY scenario. They increase A LOT in EVERY scenario.

When you start 75% Asian ANY policy will increase all non-Asian groups. That does not imply that the intent is to increase white enrollment. There is no evidence of that conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

The lower requirements might actually get even more asians and whites to apply. No fee, no test - lots of people will be interested. A lottery might backfire

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lower requirements might actually get even more asians and whites to apply. No fee, no test - lots of people will be interested. A lottery might backfire

they will stack the deck to get the results the woke/SJW want. I'm hearing at least 15% URM and 5% FARMS for now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

Seriously if you have to ask, just don't say anything. It's awkward, offensive, and a conversation killer. There are many stereotypes about white people you will not like people say it to your face even if they have statistical significance. You will not like hearing "you dance so well", or "your math is so good" ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

Seriously if you have to ask, just don't say anything. It's awkward, offensive, and a conversation killer. There are many stereotypes about white people you will not like people say it to your face even if they have statistical significance. You will not like hearing "you dance so well", or "your math is so good" ...

or, "you're not racist"...

Does the woke liberal ever say to a black person, "wow, you speak so well, and not like a low class poor black person".