Jogger Chased and Shot

[Anonymous]

Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

They've been using this law against minorities for decades. You want it changed now because a white lynch mob is facing the same charges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignoring that asinine back-and-forth above. This is a clear case of prosecutor misconduct.

This guy—this murderer—was not even qualified to be a police officer for over 10 years of his employment. He lost his gun and his badge and was only reinstated because (the same covering up) DA interceded and got him a waiver.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/14/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-gregory-mcmichael-records

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/14/retired-da-investigator-accused-in-arberys-death-missed-critically-important-training/

McMichael, who worked as an investigator in the Brunswick judicial circuit district attorney’s office from 1995 to 2019, lost his power of arrest in January 2006 for failing to complete the required 20 hours of training the previous year, according to personnel records obtained by the Guardian.

He continued to be deficient in his training for the years that followed and didn’t get the waiver required to reinstate his power of arrest authority. Some of the training McMichael lacked included required courses on use of force and firearms.


Wow, good facts
Here is the letter that the District Attorney of Glynn County cited above sent in 2014 on McMichael's behalf to keep his job even though he hadn't passed the requirements.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ncf00yBr5IhJR2IDrBToSoIZ7eHVbc1e/view

Sounds like he was in some kind of network . . . Maybe the klan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignoring that asinine back-and-forth above. This is a clear case of prosecutor misconduct.

This guy—this murderer—was not even qualified to be a police officer for over 10 years of his employment. He lost his gun and his badge and was only reinstated because (the same covering up) DA interceded and got him a waiver.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/14/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-gregory-mcmichael-records

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/14/retired-da-investigator-accused-in-arberys-death-missed-critically-important-training/

McMichael, who worked as an investigator in the Brunswick judicial circuit district attorney’s office from 1995 to 2019, lost his power of arrest in January 2006 for failing to complete the required 20 hours of training the previous year, according to personnel records obtained by the Guardian.

He continued to be deficient in his training for the years that followed and didn’t get the waiver required to reinstate his power of arrest authority. Some of the training McMichael lacked included required courses on use of force and firearms.


Wow, good facts
Here is the letter that the District Attorney of Glynn County cited above sent in 2014 on McMichael's behalf to keep his job even though he hadn't passed the requirements.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ncf00yBr5IhJR2IDrBToSoIZ7eHVbc1e/view

Sounds like he was in some kind of network . . . Maybe the klan?

Already have pictures of him at rallies. The question is -- was the prosecutor part of it?



https://dailyboulder.com/photo-emerges-appearing-to-show-ahmaud-arberys-killer-at-kkk-rally/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

They've been using this law against minorities for decades. You want it changed now because a white lynch mob is facing the same charges?

You think that law is only used against minorities?

I'm confused. What are you? A busy body SJW or black nationalist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

They've been using this law against minorities for decades. You want it changed now because a white lynch mob is facing the same charges?

You think that law is only used against minorities?

I'm confused. What are you? A busy body SJW or black nationalist?

Someone who thinks a person who pursued a chase then sat and filmed as a man was being attacked and murdered by two idiots with loaded weapons deserves a felony murder charge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

They've been using this law against minorities for decades. You want it changed now because a white lynch mob is facing the same charges?

You think that law is only used against minorities?

I'm confused. What are you? A busy body SJW or black nationalist?

Someone who thinks a person who pursued a chase then sat and filmed as a man was being attacked and murdered by two idiots with loaded weapons deserves a felony murder charge.

That's interesting, I thought that someone concerned about the treatment of minorities by the criminal justice system would be concerned about overzealous prosecutors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

They've been using this law against minorities for decades. You want it changed now because a white lynch mob is facing the same charges?

You think that law is only used against minorities?

I'm confused. What are you? A busy body SJW or black nationalist?

Someone who thinks a person who pursued a chase then sat and filmed as a man was being attacked and murdered by two idiots with loaded weapons deserves a felony murder charge.

That's interesting, I thought that someone concerned about the treatment of minorities by the criminal justice system would be concerned about overzealous prosecutors.

Fair is fair. Charge them. Then work to change the law if you don't like it so much.

And in this case - the prosecutor was absolutely not overzealous, zealous, or even mildly interested in doing her damned job. In case you didn't notice she kept that idiot employed despite him failing numerous force exams. I wonder what else she blocked for her buddy over time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

That’s not a dumb outcome at all. In that scenario, you intentionally engaged in criminal conduct that resulted in a death, and that potential outcome was entirely foreseeable. The felony murder rule is a good rule. Obviously, whether the cameraman is guilty depends on the specific facts, but it’s not a surprise that they were charged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

Even if you both had water pistols, and outcome was the same, it would be felony murder. If someone dies because you commit a felony, then you are on the hook for felony murder. This isn’t dumb, in my opinion. It is making a person criminally responsible for bad behavior that gets someone killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

That’s not a dumb outcome at all. In that scenario, you intentionally engaged in criminal conduct that resulted in a death, and that potential outcome was entirely foreseeable. The felony murder rule is a good rule. Obviously, whether the cameraman is guilty depends on the specific facts, but it’s not a surprise that they were charged.

+1. Also, if there are indeed texts or FB messages between this guy/the McMichaels/other neighbors talking about stopping this guy, it may be more than felony murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the guy who took the video get charged with murder or murder as an accessory To a crime?

Even though he didn’t pull the trigger, he was still involved in the crime of chasing and blockading. This still makes his crimes comparative to the father/son duo

Yes, he was just charged with murder. I'm assuming the angle they are taking is felony murder, which is usually a BS charge, often brought on by an overzealous prosecutor. There will likely be a big plea bargain or not guilty verdict.

Would this be the same as an series of individuals breaking into a home - if one person dies in the crime - not just the shooter is charged with murder but the entire crew right?

I'm not a lawyer, but what you are describing sounds like felony murder. There are some crazy scenarios where you could charge someone with felony murder. For example, you and I go rob a gas station. I bring a water pistol and you bring a real gun. You shoot at the clerk and miss. The clerk blows you away. I go to jail for the rest of my life because the dumb law says so. I think most people would agree that you are responsible for your own death. I am (or should be) guilty of armed robbery, a much lesser charge.

That’s not a dumb outcome at all. In that scenario, you intentionally engaged in criminal conduct that resulted in a death, and that potential outcome was entirely foreseeable. The felony murder rule is a good rule. Obviously, whether the cameraman is guilty depends on the specific facts, but it’s not a surprise that they were charged.

+1. Also, if there are indeed texts or FB messages between this guy/the McMichaels/other neighbors talking about stopping this guy, it may be more than felony murder.

Agree, but I don’t think they intended to kill him on purpose when they set things up—i know some people think that, but to me it seems a lot more likely that they actually (and perhaps incorrectly) really did think he was a burglar and actually intended to execute their half-baked citizens arrest—so I expect there will be a lot of debate on the facts potentially supporting felony murder here. You might have to charge like kidnapping or something. If I was the prosecutor, I would charge it to try to get the videographer to flip, which will make it a lot easier to convict the shooter of something more serious IMO. Note—while I think the “intentional hunting of innocent black youth” formulation is pretty implausible, and that it would be a major mistake to prosecute here on that theory of the case, I think that the shooters are very likely guilty of some form of criminal homicide and are going to jail.