Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

No time for laughing. Too much math, engineering and things to build. American softies can keep arguing with themselves in deadlock. Have you seen what the U.S. STEM school students in eS, Ms and HS accomplish out in CA and TX and Vegas? Grade levels ahead of what’s going on here in the squishy DMV public and independent schools. And happy well-rounded kids with tons of diversity. Imagine if schools had high expectations and standards for all.

If they are so superior and smart, why is there so much poverty and dysfunction?

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals on this forum are either clueless or in complete denial as a way to justify racial discrimination in college admissioms. Standards are lowered significantly in order to get more black students in, and of course that comes at the expense of whites. And Asians. Period.

And ironic how these same liberals, who are calling anyone a racist who objects to using race as a facfor (ironic right there), are also exhibiting a big WGAF where whitey is concerned. We've had disdainful remarks about "white trash" and how poor, white Billy with excellent grades can just suck it up at community college so Dashanda with the B can go to a four-year university. I am dumbfounded as to how a group,of people can condemn others with awful racist accusations, and then demonstrate their prejudice against whites - particularly low-income whites.

I say we've had two full generations of giving a big break to blacks, and that's enough. This claim that we can stop doing it when blacks have achieved the same level of success ignores the bad behavior more associated with blacks which leads to failure - notably, having the majority babies out-of-wedlock.

And finally, stop blaming slavery that happened generations before any of us were even born. Jews suffered thr massive discrimination imaginable during the lifetime of our parents, and that didn't stop them from studying, getting top scores and grades, and going to college - all while they listened to their parents crying over the murders of their relatives - AND while facing anti-Jewish quotas at the Ivies.

+1. But it’s more like Deshanda with the C.

You guys are assholes. What else is new. Same stupid conversation. Instead of working hard, you guys are the ones that are bitter, while YOU fall behind. If you can't make it as a white person in the country, that's your fault.

Seriously. People aren't taking anything from you. Your own failures are due to your own inadequacies. You're entitled to squat.

By definition, AA policies applied to competition for limited resources is taking something away from an otherwise qualified candidate who got bumped due to having the wrong skin color. If people are truly entitled to squat, why are there AA policies that say URMs are entitled to preferential treatment?

Yes, all of the lefties yapping about math, STEM and studying don’t even know enough basic math to understand that.

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

That's not "obsessed" - that is trying to close a HUGE, blaring achievement gap.

https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/14/making-physics-inclusive/
"It was no surprise when, in 2016, a Stanford University survey of undergraduates revealed physics as among the least diverse departments at the university"

"“A lot of that is due to the lack of community and overall climate. People from underrepresented groups often do not feel welcome in physics classes.”"

“In the last five to eight years, there’s been a growing awareness about the importance of identity within the physics community,” said Lauren Tompkins, assistant professor of physics and member of the Equity and Inclusion Committee. “Your identity affects your experience as a physicist and even the physics that you do. If we can acknowledge and understand that, it makes us better physicists.”

"Students from underrepresented groups often don’t have the same level of preparation from high school as their majority peers. The difference in preparation is large enough that it may lead students to drop out of the major but small enough that the kind of support offered by this course can be enough to keep them in."

"“We want the students to see that they can pursue their love of physics and still make a social impact in the world,” said Meyer. “One reason for leaving the department frequently cited by underrepresented minorities is that they feel physics is not relevant to their communities, and I hope POISE changes that.”"

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Anonymous wrote:Every liberal supports affirmative action until their kid loses a spot to a diversity candidate.

I really have to laugh at the white liberals sending their kids to social justice warrior private schools and then senior year wondering why all the top 25 colleges mainly took minorities and minority athletes from their school—not the SjW white and Jewish kids, who’d probably have been better off applying from a suburban school without subsidized diversity.

We are affluent parents with impressive academic and professional credentials. We sought out diverse public schools for our kids. And we are ok if our kids don’t go to top 10 schools like we did because those schools are now pushing for diversity. Our kids will be fine.

Yea, my uncle bought into diversity. He changed his mind when her daughter, my cousin, got pregnant at 16 and dropped out of high school. My cousin divorced from her first husband, two kids in tow, and is now married again with a stable and happy life.

What does diversity have to do with your cousin not using birth control? Were they religious nutters or something?

The lesson is that diversity for diversity's sake is not a good position to hold. The true measure of a person is the value he/she holds, not the skin color or ethnic group they belong to. I'm warning the PP that sending his/her kids to a diverse school for diversity's sake, without consideration for how the students there behave can have serious consequences for his/her kids.

WTF is that supposed to mean? "How the students there behave"? Do you mean "have sex"? Please share the name of a HS in the US where none of the students have sex.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals on this forum are either clueless or in complete denial as a way to justify racial discrimination in college admissioms. Standards are lowered significantly in order to get more black students in, and of course that comes at the expense of whites. And Asians. Period.

And ironic how these same liberals, who are calling anyone a racist who objects to using race as a facfor (ironic right there), are also exhibiting a big WGAF where whitey is concerned. We've had disdainful remarks about "white trash" and how poor, white Billy with excellent grades can just suck it up at community college so Dashanda with the B can go to a four-year university. I am dumbfounded as to how a group,of people can condemn others with awful racist accusations, and then demonstrate their prejudice against whites - particularly low-income whites.

I say we've had two full generations of giving a big break to blacks, and that's enough. This claim that we can stop doing it when blacks have achieved the same level of success ignores the bad behavior more associated with blacks which leads to failure - notably, having the majority babies out-of-wedlock.

And finally, stop blaming slavery that happened generations before any of us were even born. Jews suffered thr massive discrimination imaginable during the lifetime of our parents, and that didn't stop them from studying, getting top scores and grades, and going to college - all while they listened to their parents crying over the murders of their relatives - AND while facing anti-Jewish quotas at the Ivies.

+1. But it’s more like Deshanda with the C.

You guys are assholes. What else is new. Same stupid conversation. Instead of working hard, you guys are the ones that are bitter, while YOU fall behind. If you can't make it as a white person in the country, that's your fault.

Seriously. People aren't taking anything from you. Your own failures are due to your own inadequacies. You're entitled to squat.

By definition, AA policies applied to competition for limited resources is taking something away from an otherwise qualified candidate who got bumped due to having the wrong skin color. If people are truly entitled to squat, why are there AA policies that say URMs are entitled to preferential treatment?

Yes, all of the lefties yapping about math, STEM and studying don’t even know enough basic math to understand that.

Lefties love dogma and ideology, not math.

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In the meantime, nobody wants to talk about open blatant racial discrimination against asian americans in favor of other minority groups despite the fact asian americans are a minority group as well with virtually no political power. Asian Americans are literally ignored and marginalized (look at Yang polling 6th nationally but ignored and excluded by the media as 15th in media coverage). Why is it a smaller minority group with language problem, lack of political power, and openly discriminated against in college admissions/jobs doing relatively well economically compared to Hispanics/blacks?

This is what the liberals don't want to discuss because there is no good answer except Asian Americans work their asses off whether in schools or at work often putting in efforts double/triple what other "preferred" minorities put in or the privileged whites put in. Ridiculous.

What is your theory?

Do you think it's a problem?

How can we fix it?

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals on this forum are either clueless or in complete denial as a way to justify racial discrimination in college admissioms. Standards are lowered significantly in order to get more black students in, and of course that comes at the expense of whites. And Asians. Period.

And ironic how these same liberals, who are calling anyone a racist who objects to using race as a facfor (ironic right there), are also exhibiting a big WGAF where whitey is concerned. We've had disdainful remarks about "white trash" and how poor, white Billy with excellent grades can just suck it up at community college so Dashanda with the B can go to a four-year university. I am dumbfounded as to how a group,of people can condemn others with awful racist accusations, and then demonstrate their prejudice against whites - particularly low-income whites.

I say we've had two full generations of giving a big break to blacks, and that's enough. This claim that we can stop doing it when blacks have achieved the same level of success ignores the bad behavior more associated with blacks which leads to failure - notably, having the majority babies out-of-wedlock.

And finally, stop blaming slavery that happened generations before any of us were even born. Jews suffered thr massive discrimination imaginable during the lifetime of our parents, and that didn't stop them from studying, getting top scores and grades, and going to college - all while they listened to their parents crying over the murders of their relatives - AND while facing anti-Jewish quotas at the Ivies.

+1. But it’s more like Deshanda with the C.

You guys are assholes. What else is new. Same stupid conversation. Instead of working hard, you guys are the ones that are bitter, while YOU fall behind. If you can't make it as a white person in the country, that's your fault.

Seriously. People aren't taking anything from you. Your own failures are due to your own inadequacies. You're entitled to squat.

By definition, AA policies applied to competition for limited resources is taking something away from an otherwise qualified candidate who got bumped due to having the wrong skin color. If people are truly entitled to squat, why are there AA policies that say URMs are entitled to preferential treatment?

Yes, all of the lefties yapping about math, STEM and studying don’t even know enough basic math to understand that.

Lefties love dogma and ideology, not math.

Questions for all of you math whizzes:

1. How many kids never attended college, strictly because of affirmative action displacing them?

2. What is their SES profile? rich/poor/MC?

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

Engineering has a 50% drop out rates. American minorities, have an 85%+ drop out rate of engineering. Ie they get in to the engineering school, can’t hack it and change to an easy liberal arts major. I say American minorities because the african, SE Asian minorities stay in the programs and graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals on this forum are either clueless or in complete denial as a way to justify racial discrimination in college admissioms. Standards are lowered significantly in order to get more black students in, and of course that comes at the expense of whites. And Asians. Period.

And ironic how these same liberals, who are calling anyone a racist who objects to using race as a facfor (ironic right there), are also exhibiting a big WGAF where whitey is concerned. We've had disdainful remarks about "white trash" and how poor, white Billy with excellent grades can just suck it up at community college so Dashanda with the B can go to a four-year university. I am dumbfounded as to how a group,of people can condemn others with awful racist accusations, and then demonstrate their prejudice against whites - particularly low-income whites.

I say we've had two full generations of giving a big break to blacks, and that's enough. This claim that we can stop doing it when blacks have achieved the same level of success ignores the bad behavior more associated with blacks which leads to failure - notably, having the majority babies out-of-wedlock.

And finally, stop blaming slavery that happened generations before any of us were even born. Jews suffered thr massive discrimination imaginable during the lifetime of our parents, and that didn't stop them from studying, getting top scores and grades, and going to college - all while they listened to their parents crying over the murders of their relatives - AND while facing anti-Jewish quotas at the Ivies.

+1. But it’s more like Deshanda with the C.

You guys are assholes. What else is new. Same stupid conversation. Instead of working hard, you guys are the ones that are bitter, while YOU fall behind. If you can't make it as a white person in the country, that's your fault.

Seriously. People aren't taking anything from you. Your own failures are due to your own inadequacies. You're entitled to squat.

By definition, AA policies applied to competition for limited resources is taking something away from an otherwise qualified candidate who got bumped due to having the wrong skin color. If people are truly entitled to squat, why are there AA policies that say URMs are entitled to preferential treatment?

Yes, all of the lefties yapping about math, STEM and studying don’t even know enough basic math to understand that.

Lefties love dogma and ideology, not math.

Questions for all of you math whizzes:

1. How many kids never attended college, strictly because of affirmative action displacing them?

2. What is their SES profile? rich/poor/MC?

Answers:

1. Zero

2. See #1

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

That's not "obsessed" - that is trying to close a HUGE, blaring achievement gap.

https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/14/making-physics-inclusive/
"It was no surprise when, in 2016, a Stanford University survey of undergraduates revealed physics as among the least diverse departments at the university"

"“A lot of that is due to the lack of community and overall climate. People from underrepresented groups often do not feel welcome in physics classes.”"

“In the last five to eight years, there’s been a growing awareness about the importance of identity within the physics community,” said Lauren Tompkins, assistant professor of physics and member of the Equity and Inclusion Committee. “Your identity affects your experience as a physicist and even the physics that you do. If we can acknowledge and understand that, it makes us better physicists.”

"Students from underrepresented groups often don’t have the same level of preparation from high school as their majority peers. The difference in preparation is large enough that it may lead students to drop out of the major but small enough that the kind of support offered by this course can be enough to keep them in."

"“We want the students to see that they can pursue their love of physics and still make a social impact in the world,” said Meyer. “One reason for leaving the department frequently cited by underrepresented minorities is that they feel physics is not relevant to their communities, and I hope POISE changes that.”"

I will propose to you that if any student who fails freshman year physics class at Stanford gives the excuses that the classes don't feel welcome enough, then not only is that student unqualified academically to be in the physics degree, but he is of weak personal character. We are talking about Physics 41 for crying out loud, not a campfire gathering. The class is likely given in a large lecture hall with theater-style tiered seating, attended by hundreds of freshman students furious scribbling notes while the bald professor scratches out equations on the board and telling all students to save their questions for the TA session. With luck, the TA is a graduate student who speaks English as a first language. Physics is about math and observations - neither of which cares about the color of the student's skin. To measure a physics class in terms of how welcoming it feels is asinine.

If these students don't have the necessary level of preparation from high school, how in the world did they get into the Stanford program? Stanford is an elite university, not a remediation school for people who came up short.

Again, we are not talking about Quantum Physics or some other advanced topic that requires advanced math. This is freshman year Physics on Mechanics. This is like joining the swim team and finding out that you can't do one lap free style - you are simply unqualified.

The students are free to pursue their love of physics to their heart's content, but they don't qualify for being in Stanfard having taken the place of someone who absolutely qualifies!

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

Engineering has a 50% drop out rates. American minorities, have an 85%+ drop out rate of engineering. Ie they get in to the engineering school, can’t hack it and change to an easy liberal arts major. I say American minorities because the african, SE Asian minorities stay in the programs and graduate.

This exactly.

And many of those minorities don't even complete college yet accumulate a ton of debt.

Congrats racists -- you manage to steal someone's seat and crush a minority under a mountain of debt.

You're the best.

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

That's not "obsessed" - that is trying to close a HUGE, blaring achievement gap.

https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/14/making-physics-inclusive/
"It was no surprise when, in 2016, a Stanford University survey of undergraduates revealed physics as among the least diverse departments at the university"

"“A lot of that is due to the lack of community and overall climate. People from underrepresented groups often do not feel welcome in physics classes.”"

“In the last five to eight years, there’s been a growing awareness about the importance of identity within the physics community,” said Lauren Tompkins, assistant professor of physics and member of the Equity and Inclusion Committee. “Your identity affects your experience as a physicist and even the physics that you do. If we can acknowledge and understand that, it makes us better physicists.”

"Students from underrepresented groups often don’t have the same level of preparation from high school as their majority peers. The difference in preparation is large enough that it may lead students to drop out of the major but small enough that the kind of support offered by this course can be enough to keep them in."

"“We want the students to see that they can pursue their love of physics and still make a social impact in the world,” said Meyer. “One reason for leaving the department frequently cited by underrepresented minorities is that they feel physics is not relevant to their communities, and I hope POISE changes that.”"

I will propose to you that if any student who fails freshman year physics class at Stanford gives the excuses that the classes don't feel welcome enough, then not only is that student unqualified academically to be in the physics degree, but he is of weak personal character. We are talking about Physics 41 for crying out loud, not a campfire gathering. The class is likely given in a large lecture hall with theater-style tiered seating, attended by hundreds of freshman students furious scribbling notes while the bald professor scratches out equations on the board and telling all students to save their questions for the TA session. With luck, the TA is a graduate student who speaks English as a first language. Physics is about math and observations - neither of which cares about the color of the student's skin. To measure a physics class in terms of how welcoming it feels is asinine.

If these students don't have the necessary level of preparation from high school, how in the world did they get into the Stanford program? Stanford is an elite university, not a remediation school for people who came up short.

Again, we are not talking about Quantum Physics or some other advanced topic that requires advanced math. This is freshman year Physics on Mechanics. This is like joining the swim team and finding out that you can't do one lap free style - you are simply unqualified.

The students are free to pursue their love of physics to their heart's content, but they don't qualify for being in Stanfard having taken the place of someone who absolutely qualifies!

Stanford is a private university and defines its own mission. The physics department there has stated that they value inclusion/diversity and they are working on ways to support that. They determine who is the best fit for their program and it is likely not just based on test scores (as is the case for many elite schools).

Given that the Stanford's physics dept is ranked #1 in the US they seem to know what they are doing. And guess what: the Stanford physic dept DGAF what you think, racist twit.

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

Engineering has a 50% drop out rates. American minorities, have an 85%+ drop out rate of engineering. Ie they get in to the engineering school, can’t hack it and change to an easy liberal arts major. I say American minorities because the african, SE Asian minorities stay in the programs and graduate.

This is why affirmative action is terrible. Not only do you take a spot away from someone who was more likely to succeed, but it does no one any favors for an unqualified student to be given a spot only to fail. I'm not ashamed to admit that I struggled with college and at one point the dean of engineering gave me the line "not everyone is cut out to be an engineer". It was a deeply depressing feeling, like standing on the edge of an abyss and looking down, after so many years of school, facing failure on reaching the goal that I had decided on since early childhood. I pulled through and have been very fortunate in my professional career since. But that feeling of failure, even just the threat of it, I will never forget. Avoiding that feeling has been a motivating factor of my life. I can imagine how someone who actually failed out would be absolutely crushed and live a life of constant self-doubt. Racist policies like Affirmative Action are evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

Engineering has a 50% drop out rates. American minorities, have an 85%+ drop out rate of engineering. Ie they get in to the engineering school, can’t hack it and change to an easy liberal arts major. I say American minorities because the african, SE Asian minorities stay in the programs and graduate.

This exactly.

And many of those minorities don't even complete college yet accumulate a ton of debt.

Congrats racists -- you manage to steal someone's seat and crush a minority under a mountain of debt.

You're the best.

Yes, let's protect the poor black folk. Let's not let them go away to big bad college and try something hard. Let's not burden them with a better education or even homeownership. We gotta protect them from themselves, right? We know what's best.

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Anonymous wrote:Secondly I have to laugh at how people think going to college is the key to success, a good job and income security.

If that was the case then why aren’t minority college grads doing tough majors and going into law, medicine, consulting, appears, engineering jobs.

Instead they fill up gender and racial studies departments, become further enraged and victimized, and go on to make peanuts working for liberal NGOs, schools or esol programs.

Peanuts? Diversity deanships pay way more than many law firm jobs, sucker.

And they get paid to do nothing.

Paid to brainwash kids and appease the angry small mobs.

Someone in China and India can't stop laughing at our stupidity.

Yeah, because they are all so perfect.

What a random answer.

They are not perfect and they know they aren't. They are just catching up quickly and educating millions of engineers (for example) while we obsess with AA and ethnic studies.

Who exactly is “obsessed” with AA and ethnic studies?

What measurable impact does AA have? Positive and negative so we know the full picture.

And you think ethnic studies is displacing engineering? How so?

Have you been paying attention? Elite colleges like Stanford is so focused on AA that they admit URM students into their Physics major who are unable to successfully complete freshman year Physics classes. The impact is that they denied entry to other more qualified candidates who would have had no problem meeting these basic performance standards. They are also wasting resources constructing remedial courses for these unqualified students, instead of spending that money on research and other more worthwhile endeavors. Why is their physics department putting up a course called Diverse Perspectives in Physics. Where in the variable or constant representing diversity in any physics equation?

That's not "obsessed" - that is trying to close a HUGE, blaring achievement gap.

https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/14/making-physics-inclusive/
"It was no surprise when, in 2016, a Stanford University survey of undergraduates revealed physics as among the least diverse departments at the university"

"“A lot of that is due to the lack of community and overall climate. People from underrepresented groups often do not feel welcome in physics classes.”"

“In the last five to eight years, there’s been a growing awareness about the importance of identity within the physics community,” said Lauren Tompkins, assistant professor of physics and member of the Equity and Inclusion Committee. “Your identity affects your experience as a physicist and even the physics that you do. If we can acknowledge and understand that, it makes us better physicists.”

"Students from underrepresented groups often don’t have the same level of preparation from high school as their majority peers. The difference in preparation is large enough that it may lead students to drop out of the major but small enough that the kind of support offered by this course can be enough to keep them in."

"“We want the students to see that they can pursue their love of physics and still make a social impact in the world,” said Meyer. “One reason for leaving the department frequently cited by underrepresented minorities is that they feel physics is not relevant to their communities, and I hope POISE changes that.”"

I will propose to you that if any student who fails freshman year physics class at Stanford gives the excuses that the classes don't feel welcome enough, then not only is that student unqualified academically to be in the physics degree, but he is of weak personal character. We are talking about Physics 41 for crying out loud, not a campfire gathering. The class is likely given in a large lecture hall with theater-style tiered seating, attended by hundreds of freshman students furious scribbling notes while the bald professor scratches out equations on the board and telling all students to save their questions for the TA session. With luck, the TA is a graduate student who speaks English as a first language. Physics is about math and observations - neither of which cares about the color of the student's skin. To measure a physics class in terms of how welcoming it feels is asinine.

If these students don't have the necessary level of preparation from high school, how in the world did they get into the Stanford program? Stanford is an elite university, not a remediation school for people who came up short.

Again, we are not talking about Quantum Physics or some other advanced topic that requires advanced math. This is freshman year Physics on Mechanics. This is like joining the swim team and finding out that you can't do one lap free style - you are simply unqualified.

The students are free to pursue their love of physics to their heart's content, but they don't qualify for being in Stanfard having taken the place of someone who absolutely qualifies!

Stanford is a private university and defines its own mission. The physics department there has stated that they value inclusion/diversity and they are working on ways to support that. They determine who is the best fit for their program and it is likely not just based on test scores (as is the case for many elite schools).

Given that the Stanford's physics dept is ranked #1 in the US they seem to know what they are doing. And guess what: the Stanford physic dept DGAF what you think, racist twit.

Ok, so your argument is now they are private, they can do whatever they want, including being racist if they want to. I agree with you that Stanford being a private University can do whatever they want - but they do receive government funding through R&D grants.

Why are you calling me racist when you are the one who supports the racist policy of Affirmative Action?