What is the End Game in Ukraine?

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Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

The immediate response is Zelensky headlining the keynote slot tomorrow at the annual conference of the National Defense Industrial Association, no doubt, telling them that business looks bright and they will have lots of it.

As the Russian saying goes...."you have the goods, we have the buyer". (Typically said by the groom's parents to the bride's parents).

Exposing Zelenskyy’s elaborate plot to get Putin to invade and commit genocidal war crimes for the benefit of the defense industry. Brilliant.

Do you deny that this war has been very, very good to the defense industry?

What war has not been? Does putin get kickbacks?

Not sure if he does, but certainly many if not most at our very own WH do.

Today or right after they leave the admin.

Apropos that it is interesting to point out that the pompously named Institute for the Study of War is financed by the defense contractors. You are welcome to believe, of course, that it doesn't inform the "scholarship" they put out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

I am the one who asked the question. It’s genuine. Are there going to be any more sanctions, the terrible horrible awful sanctions?
Putin didn’t give the anticipated address to the nation. The new laws of the past couple days make it easier to mobilize people but it doesn’t make sense to do it on a large scale - only to make sure those already recruited don’t desert.
I would like to know if it further affects everyday people - be it their ability to fly in and out of the country or buy some goods that were still being imported.
And also what it means in terms of further military actions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

I am the one who asked the question. It’s genuine. Are there going to be any more sanctions, the terrible horrible awful sanctions?
Putin didn’t give the anticipated address to the nation. The new laws of the past couple days make it easier to mobilize people but it doesn’t make sense to do it on a large scale - only to make sure those already recruited don’t desert.
I would like to know if it further affects everyday people - be it their ability to fly in and out of the country or buy some goods that were still being imported.
And also what it means in terms of further military actions.

One of the gossip streams circulating in Russia is that the referendum idea was heavily pushed by the provinces themselves for this reason: they are afraid of what Ukraine may do to them if and when this area is reconquered. A good chunk of the population did not really object to being a part of Russia, and they are afraid of being branded collaborationists and given to the special police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

I am the one who asked the question. It’s genuine. Are there going to be any more sanctions, the terrible horrible awful sanctions?
Putin didn’t give the anticipated address to the nation. The new laws of the past couple days make it easier to mobilize people but it doesn’t make sense to do it on a large scale - only to make sure those already recruited don’t desert.
I would like to know if it further affects everyday people - be it their ability to fly in and out of the country or buy some goods that were still being imported.
And also what it means in terms of further military actions.

One of the gossip streams circulating in Russia is that the referendum idea was heavily pushed by the provinces themselves for this reason: they are afraid of what Ukraine may do to them if and when this area is reconquered. A good chunk of the population did not really object to being a part of Russia, and they are afraid of being branded collaborationists and given to the special police.

Right, but no amount of referendums will stop Ukraine from advancing. Also I do not believe they would ask unless they knew the answer would be yes. What’s in it for Russia? Is it just a pretext for further mobilization? (I am surprised they need one but ok)
Or is there something else?

[Anonymous]

Ukraine should offer to trade the Russian supporters who want to go to Russia for the thousand of Ukrainians kidnapped and sent to prison and filtration camps in Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine should offer to trade the Russian supporters who want to go to Russia for the thousand of Ukrainians kidnapped and sent to prison and filtration camps in Russia.

No one wants MAGA people. Not even the Russians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

I am the one who asked the question. It’s genuine. Are there going to be any more sanctions, the terrible horrible awful sanctions?
Putin didn’t give the anticipated address to the nation. The new laws of the past couple days make it easier to mobilize people but it doesn’t make sense to do it on a large scale - only to make sure those already recruited don’t desert.
I would like to know if it further affects everyday people - be it their ability to fly in and out of the country or buy some goods that were still being imported.
And also what it means in terms of further military actions.

One of the gossip streams circulating in Russia is that the referendum idea was heavily pushed by the provinces themselves for this reason: they are afraid of what Ukraine may do to them if and when this area is reconquered. A good chunk of the population did not really object to being a part of Russia, and they are afraid of being branded collaborationists and given to the special police.

Right, but no amount of referendums will stop Ukraine from advancing. Also I do not believe they would ask unless they knew the answer would be yes. What’s in it for Russia? Is it just a pretext for further mobilization? (I am surprised they need one but ok)
Or is there something else?

You don't know that it won't stop Ukraine from advancing. Ukraine's counteroffensive was talked up but it's not anywhere as ominous.

What's in it for Russia is that it repackages the war into a war of defense rather than war of offense.

And remember, Russia has to agree to take in these jurisdictions, it's not like it's automatic.

But I'm intrigued by his address tomorrow. I hope it's not general conscription.

[Anonymous]

It has to be general mobilization, otherwise Russia does not have enough soldiers to hold the territory.

Keep in mind that Ukraine is getting more and better weapons; Russia is losing its weapons and cannot produce replacements as fast as losses; and in some cases replace at all due to dependence on western technology.

Russia pivoting to war time manufacture status is a death sentence for the country. When your economy priority is military hardware that only has one purpose with no ROI to the economy.
This is exactly how Germany lost WW1; and France and England never even entered German territory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

The immediate response is Zelensky headlining the keynote slot tomorrow at the annual conference of the National Defense Industrial Association, no doubt, telling them that business looks bright and they will have lots of it.

As the Russian saying goes...."you have the goods, we have the buyer". (Typically said by the groom's parents to the bride's parents).

Exposing Zelenskyy’s elaborate plot to get Putin to invade and commit genocidal war crimes for the benefit of the defense industry. Brilliant.

Do you deny that this war has been very, very good to the defense industry?

What war has not been? Does putin get kickbacks?

Not sure if he does, but certainly many if not most at our very own WH do.

Today or right after they leave the admin.

Apropos that it is interesting to point out that the pompously named Institute for the Study of War is financed by the defense contractors. You are welcome to believe, of course, that it doesn't inform the "scholarship" they put out.

ISW is one of the last bastions of neoconservativism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

The immediate response is Zelensky headlining the keynote slot tomorrow at the annual conference of the National Defense Industrial Association, no doubt, telling them that business looks bright and they will have lots of it.

As the Russian saying goes...."you have the goods, we have the buyer". (Typically said by the groom's parents to the bride's parents).

Exposing Zelenskyy’s elaborate plot to get Putin to invade and commit genocidal war crimes for the benefit of the defense industry. Brilliant.

Do you deny that this war has been very, very good to the defense industry?

What war has not been? Does putin get kickbacks?

Not sure if he does, but certainly many if not most at our very own WH do.

Today or right after they leave the admin.

Apropos that it is interesting to point out that the pompously named Institute for the Study of War is financed by the defense contractors. You are welcome to believe, of course, that it doesn't inform the "scholarship" they put out.

ISW is one of the last bastions of neoconservativism.

And a Kagan family business.

[Anonymous]

It’s aptly ironic that Russia now finds itself in a corollary to the arms race spending that led to the eventual demise of the USSR. Instead of nuclear weaponry Russia is having to mobilize industry to replace both advanced weaponry systems and its most basic armaments. It’s not economically sustainable in the longer run with the oligarch class siphoning off their shares.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

The immediate response is Zelensky headlining the keynote slot tomorrow at the annual conference of the National Defense Industrial Association, no doubt, telling them that business looks bright and they will have lots of it.

As the Russian saying goes...."you have the goods, we have the buyer". (Typically said by the groom's parents to the bride's parents).

Exposing Zelenskyy’s elaborate plot to get Putin to invade and commit genocidal war crimes for the benefit of the defense industry. Brilliant.

Do you deny that this war has been very, very good to the defense industry?

What war has not been? Does putin get kickbacks?

Not sure if he does, but certainly many if not most at our very own WH do.

Today or right after they leave the admin.

Apropos that it is interesting to point out that the pompously named Institute for the Study of War is financed by the defense contractors. You are welcome to believe, of course, that it doesn't inform the "scholarship" they put out.

ISW is one of the last bastions of neoconservativism.

What scholarship? All they are doing is translating and mapping information from pro-Russian telegram channels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

The immediate response is Zelensky headlining the keynote slot tomorrow at the annual conference of the National Defense Industrial Association, no doubt, telling them that business looks bright and they will have lots of it.

As the Russian saying goes...."you have the goods, we have the buyer". (Typically said by the groom's parents to the bride's parents).

Exposing Zelenskyy’s elaborate plot to get Putin to invade and commit genocidal war crimes for the benefit of the defense industry. Brilliant.

Do you deny that this war has been very, very good to the defense industry?

DP: This war was designed and implemented by the US defense industry, no doubt about it. Did you read the Rand report leaked a couple days ago?

The US defense industry convinced Russia to invade a neighbor and launch a genocidal war of agression? That doesn't even make sense as a conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

The immediate response is Zelensky headlining the keynote slot tomorrow at the annual conference of the National Defense Industrial Association, no doubt, telling them that business looks bright and they will have lots of it.

As the Russian saying goes...."you have the goods, we have the buyer". (Typically said by the groom's parents to the bride's parents).

Exposing Zelenskyy’s elaborate plot to get Putin to invade and commit genocidal war crimes for the benefit of the defense industry. Brilliant.

Do you deny that this war has been very, very good to the defense industry?

DP: This war was designed and implemented by the US defense industry, no doubt about it. Did you read the Rand report leaked a couple days ago?

The US defense industry convinced Russia to invade a neighbor and launch a genocidal war of agression? That doesn't even make sense as a conspiracy theory.

They didn't convince Russia to invade, no.

But do you seriously think their lobby groups did not put pressure on Congress to buy and send more arms? Remember, it's war to you but it's business to them. Dollars and cents. Wars are good for business if you're Northrop Grumman. Depleted Pentagon stocks plus long term government contracts to meet aid obligations are excellent, excellent business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the response now that Russia announced the referendums to annex parts of Ukraine?

The immediate response is Zelensky headlining the keynote slot tomorrow at the annual conference of the National Defense Industrial Association, no doubt, telling them that business looks bright and they will have lots of it.

As the Russian saying goes...."you have the goods, we have the buyer". (Typically said by the groom's parents to the bride's parents).

Exposing Zelenskyy’s elaborate plot to get Putin to invade and commit genocidal war crimes for the benefit of the defense industry. Brilliant.

Do you deny that this war has been very, very good to the defense industry?

DP: This war was designed and implemented by the US defense industry, no doubt about it. Did you read the Rand report leaked a couple days ago?

The US defense industry convinced Russia to invade a neighbor and launch a genocidal war of agression? That doesn't even make sense as a conspiracy theory.

They didn't convince Russia to invade, no.

But do you seriously think their lobby groups did not put pressure on Congress to buy and send more arms? Remember, it's war to you but it's business to them. Dollars and cents. Wars are good for business if you're Northrop Grumman. Depleted Pentagon stocks plus long term government contracts to meet aid obligations are excellent, excellent business.

Then the wat was neither designed nor implemented by the US defense indutry. Russia made a choice to invade. These are the consequences.