Girls, 13 and 15, Charged With Murder After Armed Carjacking Near Nationals Park

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Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

PP here. I wish that many of you would watch this video. Mr. Marshall knew how to lead a school and inspire students and staff. He was also a very strong force. If a high school aged teen came onto Mr. Marshall's campus, his rule was to get enrolled, go to class, or leave. Your choice. You've got 5 minutes to enroll or leave. No drugs here. We need more principals, teachers, coaches, and community leaders like Mr. Marshall!

https://www.fox10tv.com/longtime-leflore-principal-dies/video_de342420-d1ba-5cf6-9a34-2e431c02dcd9.html

This. Kids are kids and they need guidance in life. They need discipline and a sense of ownership of their actions. If you work hard and treat others kindly, you will do well. If you act like an ass and don't give a crap about school, your life will reflect that. Kids need to learn that 20% of what happens to you is based on the life that you've been dealt. The remaining 80% is all on you. It's that simple. Continuing to blame systemic racism for everything is a defeatist approach.

PP here. +1 Oh, yes!! Principals like Mr. Marshall would agree with you. It's not to deny the terrible effects of systemic racism but to say, "I will not let it suck me down to Hell. I'm going to rise above it and make something of myself, in spite of everything you've thrown at me!"

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what you all think of this situation, in the context of these girls. When is redemption allowed?

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/08/aaron-coleman-kansas-revenge-porn-rehabilitation/615631/

When you’ve paid your debt to society. Anyone who would do what he did at 12 has moral depravity in his bones. He does not deserve public office. Period. Let him live a live beyond reproach for a few decades and then let’s see. We are suckers if we let these girls out. Again!

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Let them live a life beyond reproach in jail or in the military for the next 2 decades or so and then let’s see.

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Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

Retired educator here. I completely agree with you. Suburban areas aren't immune by any stretch! Specifically regarding the Columbine shooters, there seemed to be some distant parenting there, too. Who doesn't look to see what's going on in their garage?

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I was one of the posters who takes issue with this. I am NOT talking about black culture. You are!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

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Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

Agreed. This is an American problem. The culture is bankrupt and kids pay the price. Values have been thrown out the window as a sop to the postmodernists that think all lifestyles are equivalent and there are no consequences to one’s actions. The only solution I see is a societal shift that demands accountability and holds families to be the rock on which our country is built. Don’t look to the government. The government is a reflection of society, not the other way around
No one said anything about urban black culture. Only you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

Agreed. This is an American problem. The culture is bankrupt and kids pay the price. Values have been thrown out the window as a sop to the postmodernists that think all lifestyles are equivalent and there are no consequences to one’s actions. The only solution I see is a societal shift that demands accountability and holds families to be the rock on which our country is built. Don’t look to the government. The government is a reflection of society, not the other way around
No one said anything about urban black culture. Only you.

Atlanta spa shooter had father, a pastor, who undoubtedly promoted a lot of values, maybe too many.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

Agreed. This is an American problem. The culture is bankrupt and kids pay the price. Values have been thrown out the window as a sop to the postmodernists that think all lifestyles are equivalent and there are no consequences to one’s actions. The only solution I see is a societal shift that demands accountability and holds families to be the rock on which our country is built. Don’t look to the government. The government is a reflection of society, not the other way around
No one said anything about urban black culture. Only you.

Yep, I was a deconstructionist in college for a brief minute. There's a value to the lens, but when I saw the insufferability and fascist stripping of values, and the unwillingness to acknowledge right and wrong... yeah. It's a great pity that we couldn't have become more humane without also becoming so much less.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

Agreed. This is an American problem. The culture is bankrupt and kids pay the price. Values have been thrown out the window as a sop to the postmodernists that think all lifestyles are equivalent and there are no consequences to one’s actions. The only solution I see is a societal shift that demands accountability and holds families to be the rock on which our country is built. Don’t look to the government. The government is a reflection of society, not the other way around
No one said anything about urban black culture. Only you.

Atlanta spa shooter had father, a pastor, who undoubtedly promoted a lot of values, maybe too many.

Same with the Pulse Massacre shooter. Religious conservatism and judgement create murderers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

But let’s not also forget that mass shooters, almost without exception, were bullied or have mental health issues and usually both. Still horrific, unforgivable crimes. There is no indication either of these young ladies had mental issues, but time will tell. It appears to be a random property crime that went south very quickly. One that will likely occur again if the mayor keeps downplaying the epidemic of carjackings.

[Anonymous]

So much trust in words from a person who can’t spell judgment correctly.
Evil adults produce evil children.

[Anonymous]

Do people honestly think that teens without a moral compass is a new phenomenon? There have always been a segment of the teen population that engages in violent, selfish, asocial behavior. 100 years ago, they were running for bootleggers and the mob, or beating other kids, playing violent pranks, targeting vulnerable ethic groups, etc. This is not a creation of our modern society.

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Wow that video is beyond shocking.

They aren't little kids who didn't know better. They are hardened criminals. They had weapons, were bold enough to commit an armed robbery against an adult man, and were not remotely concerned by his life, not even when they casually walked past his dead body while they were escaping the crime scene.

They need life in prison.

[Anonymous]

Wow. This is when the death penalty needs to be put to use.