Girls, 13 and 15, Charged With Murder After Armed Carjacking Near Nationals Park

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It starts with values and refusing to tolerate bad behavior. Not being fearful of calling out or punishing conduct that destroys lives. It’s society’s responsibility to do this. There’s still right and wrong. But again supporting a values based culture centered around the family is simply forbidden these days.

[Anonymous]

Nobody has answered the violence piece. It’s one thing to steal some booze from the store or smoke weed and cut class. It’s quite another to use a stun gun on someone and run them
Over. How do people get like that? What makes them like that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

Teacher here. This is happening. It has been for years. Maybe it's working and needs time to gain momentum? But I haven't seen much coming from this yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

PP here. I wish that many of you would watch this video. Mr. Marshall knew how to lead a school and inspire students and staff. He was also a very strong force. If a high school aged teen came onto Mr. Marshall's campus, his rule was to get enrolled, go to class, or leave. Your choice. You've got 5 minutes to enroll or leave. No drugs here. We need more principals, teachers, coaches, and community leaders like Mr. Marshall!

https://www.fox10tv.com/longtime-leflore-principal-dies/video_de342420-d1ba-5cf6-9a34-2e431c02dcd9.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

PP here. I wish that many of you would watch this video. Mr. Marshall knew how to lead a school and inspire students and staff. He was also a very strong force. If a high school aged teen came onto Mr. Marshall's campus, his rule was to get enrolled, go to class, or leave. Your choice. You've got 5 minutes to enroll or leave. No drugs here. We need more principals, teachers, coaches, and community leaders like Mr. Marshall!

https://www.fox10tv.com/longtime-leflore-principal-dies/video_de342420-d1ba-5cf6-9a34-2e431c02dcd9.html

You are very idealistic. Just curious, have you ever taught in a low income public school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

PP here. I wish that many of you would watch this video. Mr. Marshall knew how to lead a school and inspire students and staff. He was also a very strong force. If a high school aged teen came onto Mr. Marshall's campus, his rule was to get enrolled, go to class, or leave. Your choice. You've got 5 minutes to enroll or leave. No drugs here. We need more principals, teachers, coaches, and community leaders like Mr. Marshall!

https://www.fox10tv.com/longtime-leflore-principal-dies/video_de342420-d1ba-5cf6-9a34-2e431c02dcd9.html

This. Kids are kids and they need guidance in life. They need discipline and a sense of ownership of their actions. If you work hard and treat others kindly, you will do well. If you act like an ass and don't give a crap about school, your life will reflect that. Kids need to learn that 20% of what happens to you is based on the life that you've been dealt. The remaining 80% is all on you. It's that simple. Continuing to blame systemic racism for everything is a defeatist approach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

PP here. I wish that many of you would watch this video. Mr. Marshall knew how to lead a school and inspire students and staff. He was also a very strong force. If a high school aged teen came onto Mr. Marshall's campus, his rule was to get enrolled, go to class, or leave. Your choice. You've got 5 minutes to enroll or leave. No drugs here. We need more principals, teachers, coaches, and community leaders like Mr. Marshall!

https://www.fox10tv.com/longtime-leflore-principal-dies/video_de342420-d1ba-5cf6-9a34-2e431c02dcd9.html

You are very idealistic. Just curious, have you ever taught in a low income public school?

PP here. Yes, many years in several different schools-- both very rural and inner city. I taught special education, English, and remedial reading. I've taught elementary through high school. Retired recently. I get it. I still think its the only way to lift up these kids. I learned from principals like Mr. Marshall in the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

But honestly none of this matters if the values aren’t reinforced at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

Retired educator here. Although I personally am a Christian and believe in prayer, I'm not advocating that we return prayer to the schools. I do think public schools should promote organizations/clubs that promote good values and formally recognize students for their efforts, have a "word of the week" like "kindness" and "honesty," have principals and other administrators walking the halls and getting know students and complimenting them, in middle and high schools have teachers and support personnel stand in their doorways and greet/compliment students, have a school-wide honor code, have days of service with kids helping others in their communities, have parenting classes, have after school programs, etc. Some schools still do these types of things, but many don't. Too many kids are rootless and unsupervised. Although not perfect, organizations like Scouts and Boys/Girls Clubs offer good programs. We've got rootless kids getting little to no supervision and learning behaviors from poor role models. Rewarding kids for positive behavior is wonderful and helps build self-esteem, but kids also need to know that there will be consequences for doing wrong. If kids know you genuinely care about them, they will usually try their best to meet your expectations.

But honestly none of this matters if the values aren’t reinforced at home.

PP here. I agree that for some kids it's not enough. I still think we have no choice but to try and that there will be many who can be saved from the kind of callousness displayed by the teens who killed Mr. Anwar and showed no compassion or remorse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Birth control must be free and actively offered to families in crisis levels of poverty. How different things would be.

Uhhh... you don't know much about birth control, do you? It is free for poor people.

And you can’t force anyone to practice birth control. I also find this line of thinking very insulting-that the solution to the problem is simply to make “less of them”. Awfully close to what the racist Margaret Sanger was in favor of.
The solution is reinforcing morality and responsibility in families. But that’s anathema these days.

+1 yes!

But how would you "reinforce morality and responsibility in families"? Do you want the government to do it? If so, how? Through what mechanism? Or do you think people need more religion in their lives? Again, how are you going to make people go to church, get involved in youth groups, etc.? I'm not arguing with you. I just want to understand HOW exactly you would "reinforce morality and responsibility" in families. In America, specifically.

It's the teachers that are being tasked with doing because so many students are not getting this in the home.

And I get the part about absentee fathers because what does that say to a child about their value?. If a parent who you know is suppose to love and want you does not, it leaves a hard hard stain.

I can see a child identifying with the idea that "If dad can shun his responsibilities, then I will too because I am cut from the same cloth"..And in a strange way somehow I can see those internal dialogue bringing a child somewhat closer to the parent they yearn for.

It’s a hollow and broken culture that allows, even celebrates it seems, irresponsible lifestyles with zero consequences that leaves the next generation no hope.

Let's not dance around the issue.You're both talking about urban black culture. I was just as shocked as anyone else at the callousness of these two girls, especially the one who was more concerned about her phone than the victim, but let's not forget that some of the most heinous crimes committed by young people in this country which resulted in a much higher death toll were committed by mostly white, mostly middle or UMC young men and boys and some of them had fathers living at home (the Columbine kids come to mind). So the problem appears to be bigger than the black community.

[Anonymous]

Curious what you all think of this situation, in the context of these girls. When is redemption allowed?

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/08/aaron-coleman-kansas-revenge-porn-rehabilitation/615631/