Reported hazing incident involving Damascus High School JV Football team

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am in shock at the number of people saying these 15 year olds shouldn't be charged as adults because of their future.

What about the victims and their future after being subject to this violence?

They all need rehabilitation. I don't think that means going to an adult prison but a slap on the hand won't do.


Are their any reform experts that can chime in on what the heck would properly punish the offenders and set a new standard?

I can guarantee that any person supporting these teen perps would have a change of heart if their own children were victims.

guaranteed

Sports in this country, especially football, are cult-like and sickly insular. It's no longer about healthy competition. These are war games with brainwashed players.

no thank you

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a racial component to this?

No

I thought all of those charged were African American ???

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the football websites, it looks like he is a 9th grader. And 6’ 229 lbs.

Probably a 15yr old 9th grader at a 3rd grade reading level. Half these people who commit these stupid acts that even an 8yr old knows is wrong are actual real like half wits.

However charging a 15yr old as an adult for a crime that will effectively ruin their entire lives. This wont be a burglary charge. This is a sex crime and will severely limit their job opportunities. You charge these boys as adults and guess what will happen?? That ugly adult prison system we have will rip those boys to shreads and they will be in and out of that system for life. You people just don't how incredibly destructive these charges are on all of society. We are spectacularly dum in this country and always so confused why we have such high crime. Hmmm put a young man in a brutal prison for a few years and release him to society. Yea, that works well.

Agreed. But there really isn’t anything good to do with them. The state juvenile justice system is a joke. This is a tragedy all the way around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a racial component to this?

No

I thought all of those charged were African American ???

No.

... and even if they were, so what? Not every incident in this country involving an African American person has to have a "racial component". Sometimes bad people are just bad people, criminals are just criminals, and victims are just victims, regardless of their skin color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a racial component to this?

No

I thought all of those charged were African American ???

No.

... and even if they were, so what? Not every incident in this country involving an African American person has to have a "racial component". Sometimes bad people are just bad people, criminals are just criminals, and victims are just victims, regardless of their skin color.

It doesn't HAVE to be racial, but it ends up being racial... some how.

It's a fact that the black dudes will end up being tried as adults and the white dudes won't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a racial component to this?

No

I thought all of those charged were African American ???

The police have not released photos of the suspects who were charged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a racial component to this?

No

I thought all of those charged were African American ???

The police have not released photos of the suspects who were charged.

Their names were released with the exception of one. Out of the 4 listed one was AA. If you have access to MCPS you can see their picture from the roster. Also, one of the players was listed on the varsity roster. Could be a glitch on the roster but....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a racial component to this?

No

I thought all of those charged were African American ???

The police have not released photos of the suspects who were charged.

If you check the cases in the Judiciary Case Search it lists races of defendants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one. NO ONE is supporting the perps. Some people do not think they should be charged as adults. That is all. That doesn’t mean they should be convicted and punished.

And the levels of punishment mirror levels of "support." No kid at this age who's committed this act can be fully rehabilitated. The fact that this was even a thought in their heads is sick.

Perhaps in prison they will get the therapy necessary to at least make them realize what they've done is sick and twisted. but full rehab? never going to happen.

It's groupthink in the worst way. And it's the twisted parents and obsessed community members who define themselves by how many wins they have.

[Anonymous]

There is a larger racial dynamic at play. It’s the reality of de facto racial discrimination against African Americans versus the reality of which minority groups in MCPS commit a disproportionate share of disciplinary infractions and crimes. DMass football used to be lily white except for the odd skills player. Contrary to some misinformation above All the defendants are African Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a larger racial dynamic at play. It’s the reality of de facto racial discrimination against African Americans versus the reality of which minority groups in MCPS commit a disproportionate share of disciplinary infractions and crimes. DMass football used to be lily white except for the odd skills player. Contrary to some misinformation above All the defendants are African Americans.

Why has it taken 33 pages for race to be stated plainly? Let’s just get the facts out there and have the debate about racial dynamic. This would include a conversation about the decision to charge as adults. 33 pages ago when everyone heard Damascus and assumed white redneck Trumpster farm boys, no one had any issues discussing race. When that turned out to be false, then all the dancing around the racial dynamics started.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a larger racial dynamic at play. It’s the reality of de facto racial discrimination against African Americans versus the reality of which minority groups in MCPS commit a disproportionate share of disciplinary infractions and crimes. DMass football used to be lily white except for the odd skills player. Contrary to some misinformation above All the defendants are African Americans.

OK - We get that. We know about the statistics and blah blah blah.

But these kids - African Americans, as you shared above - raped their peers. Should they, b/c of their race, be given a lighter sentence?

Are you saying that there may be others - white students - who, despite being guilty, escaped sentencing? And if that's your point, where's your support?

Or, are you hinting at the greater context b/c close to 70% of professional football players are black? Why is that? And there are what? two team owners who aren't white?

Maybe we look at who's profiting off whom instead. Is that you're point? b/c I think you're talking about two different things

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a larger racial dynamic at play. It’s the reality of de facto racial discrimination against African Americans versus the reality of which minority groups in MCPS commit a disproportionate share of disciplinary infractions and crimes. DMass football used to be lily white except for the odd skills player. Contrary to some misinformation above All the defendants are African Americans.

Why has it taken 33 pages for race to be stated plainly? Let’s just get the facts out there and have the debate about racial dynamic. This would include a conversation about the decision to charge as adults. 33 pages ago when everyone heard Damascus and assumed white redneck Trumpster farm boys, no one had any issues discussing race. When that turned out to be false, then all the dancing around the racial dynamics started.

At least 3 of the 4 names seemed to be of African American descent.