Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans - a belief in private property rights and seeing just how much .gov screws up first hand.

Since when is the Democratic party against private property? I think you've confused them with communists.
Also, I doubt most Republicans actually even have as solid of an understanding of government as they think. Particularly when they send idiots like MTG to Congress when she still doesn't even know how Congress works even after having served for several years.

HAHAH. Just as many democrats do not understand either. Do you know how many times I have heard on this board and in the wild that hate speech is not protected speech? Or that the government removing "misinformation" is ok because it "saved lives"?

As far as MTG is involved, (D)s have plenty of their own embarrassing representatives in Congress.

LOL I can't think of anyone quite as bad as MTG. And it's not just MTG, it's Boebert, Gaetz, and a number of others.

Just think. We even find MTG more tolerable than the average Hamas supporter.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

Why should someone have to speak to something they never said in the first place? That was your strawman, not theirs.

So, do you support housing biological women prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, which is currently supported by the Democratic Party? Yes or no? It’s a straightforward question.

You don't want a sleazy pervert who commits sexual assault in prison with women but you DO want him to run the country? Yes or no? It's a straightforward question.

I’m not voting for Trump. I don’t want transwomen convicted of sexual assault and rape housed with biological women and I don’t want Trump as my president.

Yet you support a party that fully backs and endorses sleazy sex-abuser Trump, which refuses to question anything Trump says or does, which installed Trump's daughter-in-law as RNC chair...

I literally said I am not voting for Trump. I’m not a Republican. I just understand why women in their 30s/40s might be Republican. Hint: it’s people like you.

Oh come on. If people vote on either side because of discourse from random internet strangers, that’s ludicrous. On this thread, we’ve asked for statistics and exact reasons why feminists should vote Republican. The reasons have been because they believe in a fetus’s rights > its mother’s rights, and abortion division is a given. Then we heard that imprisoned women have to room with trans women. But, we haven’t seen any data about how widespread this is. They haven’t been able to articulate why this issue is the most important feminist issue over say improving maternal health including mental health, fighting for equal wages and equalizing wages for Black women, more money for medical testing on women, better access and affordability for childcare, and on.

Love how you’ve decided that women need to subvert all their issues. As usual, men are more important to you. Grotesque.

DP... I don't understand this response at all. How is the PP saying men are more important? I didn't see anything to warrant that in the comment you are responding to. The PP was merely asking how issues should be prioritized.

Should every other issue of concern to women be completely subverted and be subordinate in order to deal with trans people in prisons? Another woman's interest in womens health, maternal health, access to affordable childcare, equal wages for women, access to contraception and reproductive health, paid family leave, support for women-owned businesses, anti-discrimination laws against women, addressing domestic violence, human sex trafficking, improved political representation by women, and all of these other issues need to shut up, sit down and take a back seat because you demand the issue of transwomen in women's prisons be the top priority?

All of those other women's issues being deprioritized is exactly what would happen if large numbers of women agreed with the PP and made their sole focus to be outrage over trans women in women's prisons and as a result, voted a straight R ticket. Thankfully most women don't agree with the PP. While sure, they don't want to see other women being abused in prison, they have the sense to not throw away everything else that has been so hard fought over their lifetimes for that one issue by voting R.

Then why are you worried? If you are so sure that most women in the US feel embraced, valued, and supported by Democrats, and that the Democrats don’t treat women like second-class citizens, then you have nothing to worry about. 👍

If you want representation that will try to restore the rights women has for almost 50 years, that is the Democratic party. The GOP destroyed those rights.

Okay. If, as you claimed, most women voters feel that way about the Democratic Party, then you should have nothing to worry about.

Most do. And polling shows that women are more and more increasingly leaning liberal and pro-Democrat than their predecessors did. Seems to me this thread is about understanding the phenomenon and rationale of women who don't.

Lately in this thread it just seems to be "you liberals made me conservative" as though you have no control over your own choices and decisions while at the same time bristling over the notion that growing up in a household filled with conservative ideology can't possibly have any impact on someone's choices (a complete contradiction) - and how the suggestion of being influenced by your household and parents somehow misogynistic. And that's frankly dead wrong. I myself grew up in a very conservative military household and for that reason I had very conservative beliefs and values. Later on in life I realized how many of those conservative beliefs I had basically been indoctrinated in by my parents were often regressive, were selfish, greedy and frankly sometimes sociopathic, not rooted in reality and so on. I've seen for myself how people get indoctrinated by conservative media, which also teaches them to avoid and distrust any other sources of information. It really is a type of brainwashing. And' I've seen that same evolution I had from young adult conservatism to more liberal viewpoints repeated with many of my friends and relatives as well. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with misogyny.

I'll add, to clarify that I don't believe there are many, or any dads who are knowingly and intentionally out there rubbing their hands together saying "I need to indoctrinate my baby girl into the world of conservatism" - in most cases they are doing it unknowingly and unconsciously or at most well-intentioned. And often it may be tradition, like I said I grew up in a military family where every generation of my family has served for a very long time along with some deep seated old-school conservatism. For them it's the status quo, it's what they grew up with as well. They don't know any better. I think a lot has changed with the advent of more recent generations, the explosion of media sources and so on, which, for the open minded, gives a whole range of ideas. But at the same time, there definitely also are media outlets out there which are indeed intentionally misleading and disinforming and propagandizing, along with pushing cultish things like telling people to turn off anything but conservative media sources.

You really are not helping your cause. Yes our families influence us during our formative years, but just like you, most people do create their own opinions and thoughts, even if they are republican women.

You didn't achieve some rare thing by turning democratic, the sole non-brainwashed woman who decides which women can think on their own.

I don't have a "cause" - maybe that's projection on your part. And frankly I don't need to have a "cause" because the numbers of women abandoning conservatism for liberalism by far exceed those who are becoming conservative. I'm honestly starting to think that it is in fact you who has a cause, a cause of desperation trying to convince other women that somehow you're actually the one winning (when the numbers clearly show you aren't.) It's practically astroturfing on your part, and the longer you go on, the more cringeworthy it gets, particularly all of the faux moral righteousness and feigned indignance and extreme stretches you keep making to desperately make some pointless point.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

Why should someone have to speak to something they never said in the first place? That was your strawman, not theirs.

So, do you support housing biological women prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, which is currently supported by the Democratic Party? Yes or no? It’s a straightforward question.

You don't want a sleazy pervert who commits sexual assault in prison with women but you DO want him to run the country? Yes or no? It's a straightforward question.

I’m not voting for Trump. I don’t want transwomen convicted of sexual assault and rape housed with biological women and I don’t want Trump as my president.

Yet you support a party that fully backs and endorses sleazy sex-abuser Trump, which refuses to question anything Trump says or does, which installed Trump's daughter-in-law as RNC chair...

I literally said I am not voting for Trump. I’m not a Republican. I just understand why women in their 30s/40s might be Republican. Hint: it’s people like you.

Oh come on. If people vote on either side because of discourse from random internet strangers, that’s ludicrous. On this thread, we’ve asked for statistics and exact reasons why feminists should vote Republican. The reasons have been because they believe in a fetus’s rights > its mother’s rights, and abortion division is a given. Then we heard that imprisoned women have to room with trans women. But, we haven’t seen any data about how widespread this is. They haven’t been able to articulate why this issue is the most important feminist issue over say improving maternal health including mental health, fighting for equal wages and equalizing wages for Black women, more money for medical testing on women, better access and affordability for childcare, and on.

Love how you’ve decided that women need to subvert all their issues. As usual, men are more important to you. Grotesque.

DP... I don't understand this response at all. How is the PP saying men are more important? I didn't see anything to warrant that in the comment you are responding to. The PP was merely asking how issues should be prioritized.

Should every other issue of concern to women be completely subverted and be subordinate in order to deal with trans people in prisons? Another woman's interest in womens health, maternal health, access to affordable childcare, equal wages for women, access to contraception and reproductive health, paid family leave, support for women-owned businesses, anti-discrimination laws against women, addressing domestic violence, human sex trafficking, improved political representation by women, and all of these other issues need to shut up, sit down and take a back seat because you demand the issue of transwomen in women's prisons be the top priority?

All of those other women's issues being deprioritized is exactly what would happen if large numbers of women agreed with the PP and made their sole focus to be outrage over trans women in women's prisons and as a result, voted a straight R ticket. Thankfully most women don't agree with the PP. While sure, they don't want to see other women being abused in prison, they have the sense to not throw away everything else that has been so hard fought over their lifetimes for that one issue by voting R.

Then why are you worried? If you are so sure that most women in the US feel embraced, valued, and supported by Democrats, and that the Democrats don’t treat women like second-class citizens, then you have nothing to worry about. 👍

If you want representation that will try to restore the rights women has for almost 50 years, that is the Democratic party. The GOP destroyed those rights.

Okay. If, as you claimed, most women voters feel that way about the Democratic Party, then you should have nothing to worry about.

Most do. And polling shows that women are more and more increasingly leaning liberal and pro-Democrat than their predecessors did. Seems to me this thread is about understanding the phenomenon and rationale of women who don't.

Lately in this thread it just seems to be "you liberals made me conservative" as though you have no control over your own choices and decisions while at the same time bristling over the notion that growing up in a household filled with conservative ideology can't possibly have any impact on someone's choices (a complete contradiction) - and how the suggestion of being influenced by your household and parents somehow misogynistic. And that's frankly dead wrong. I myself grew up in a very conservative military household and for that reason I had very conservative beliefs and values. Later on in life I realized how many of those conservative beliefs I had basically been indoctrinated in by my parents were often regressive, were selfish, greedy and frankly sometimes sociopathic, not rooted in reality and so on. I've seen for myself how people get indoctrinated by conservative media, which also teaches them to avoid and distrust any other sources of information. It really is a type of brainwashing. And' I've seen that same evolution I had from young adult conservatism to more liberal viewpoints repeated with many of my friends and relatives as well. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with misogyny.

Blinded by your own biases.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans - a belief in private property rights and seeing just how much .gov screws up first hand.

And yet, making laws left and right to control ppl more.

Learn some history. Democrat sponsored laws and regulations haven't come form "a desire to control people" apart from curbing harm to society.

Tell me how the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act "controls people" other than to curb racism?

The law that created OSHA addressed genuine workplace safety issues. Are you not aware of things like the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire where dozens of women died because the door was locked?

The Clean Water Act genuinely improved water quality. Prior to that we had things like the Cuyahoga River being so polluted that it would routinely catch on fire.

Social Security provided a much needed social safety net for senior citizens and the disabled.

And so on. And likewise, government regulations aren't dreamt up by agencies out of the blue. They usually come as a result of decades and decades of recurring problem, like kids being injured by unsafe products and so on.

Love Canal. Lung cancer from cigarettes. Children's' IQ damaged due to lead paint and leaded gas. Some of us remember those lessons and value the fact that Democrats stepped up to address them, as opposed to Republicans who time and time again threw workers and children under the bus in favor of getting their cut from their corporate donors.

It's always astounding how Republicans ignore history, pretend it's all unnecessary, unwarranted "nanny state" garbage that is solely to "control people."

The Democrats also have a long history of promoting and passing eugenics laws, if you are listing out their active social engineering legal activity! Surely you meant to include that!

(Republicans did too, before you come at me. I just despise this sort of rose-colored glasses rewriting of Democratic Party history.)

Eugenics laws?

*removes glasses, wipes them, and checks to see if today is 1924, or 2024*

Keep on stretching there, Stretch Armstrong.

Oh, I see. Like many Democratic Party propagandists, you are wildly ignorant of history. A history lesson for you:

The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire that you reference in your post was in 1911. In 1913, the federal Department of Labor was created, signed into existence by Republican President Taft hours before he left office, after losing to President Wilson. OSHA, however, was created by the passage of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, which was signed into law by Richard Nixon.

Meanwhile, contrary to your obvious ignorance, eugenics is still an ongoing issue. In blue California, it was not until 2010 that eugenics laws governing state hospitals were repealed. The laws promoting eugenics and eugenics policies were mostly pushed from approximately 1907-1937 (by both Republicans and Democrats, though eugenics was particularly associated with the Progressive movement). And it’s still a problem, also in both blue and red states. California paid out damages in *2021* to female prisoners sterilized from 2005 to 2011, while Virginia was the first state to apologize for forced sterilization (2002). There were also alleged forced sterilizations at ICE detention centers in 2020.

I am not by any means exculpating Republicans. But I absolutely despise the Democratic partisan rewriting of history like what you wrote. It’s ignorant, often has basic dates and facts wrong (like you wrote) and exculpates a lot of tremendous damage that Democrats supported.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

Why should someone have to speak to something they never said in the first place? That was your strawman, not theirs.

So, do you support housing biological women prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, which is currently supported by the Democratic Party? Yes or no? It’s a straightforward question.

You don't want a sleazy pervert who commits sexual assault in prison with women but you DO want him to run the country? Yes or no? It's a straightforward question.

I’m not voting for Trump. I don’t want transwomen convicted of sexual assault and rape housed with biological women and I don’t want Trump as my president.

Yet you support a party that fully backs and endorses sleazy sex-abuser Trump, which refuses to question anything Trump says or does, which installed Trump's daughter-in-law as RNC chair...

I literally said I am not voting for Trump. I’m not a Republican. I just understand why women in their 30s/40s might be Republican. Hint: it’s people like you.

Oh come on. If people vote on either side because of discourse from random internet strangers, that’s ludicrous. On this thread, we’ve asked for statistics and exact reasons why feminists should vote Republican. The reasons have been because they believe in a fetus’s rights > its mother’s rights, and abortion division is a given. Then we heard that imprisoned women have to room with trans women. But, we haven’t seen any data about how widespread this is. They haven’t been able to articulate why this issue is the most important feminist issue over say improving maternal health including mental health, fighting for equal wages and equalizing wages for Black women, more money for medical testing on women, better access and affordability for childcare, and on.

Love how you’ve decided that women need to subvert all their issues. As usual, men are more important to you. Grotesque.

DP... I don't understand this response at all. How is the PP saying men are more important? I didn't see anything to warrant that in the comment you are responding to. The PP was merely asking how issues should be prioritized.

Should every other issue of concern to women be completely subverted and be subordinate in order to deal with trans people in prisons? Another woman's interest in womens health, maternal health, access to affordable childcare, equal wages for women, access to contraception and reproductive health, paid family leave, support for women-owned businesses, anti-discrimination laws against women, addressing domestic violence, human sex trafficking, improved political representation by women, and all of these other issues need to shut up, sit down and take a back seat because you demand the issue of transwomen in women's prisons be the top priority?

All of those other women's issues being deprioritized is exactly what would happen if large numbers of women agreed with the PP and made their sole focus to be outrage over trans women in women's prisons and as a result, voted a straight R ticket. Thankfully most women don't agree with the PP. While sure, they don't want to see other women being abused in prison, they have the sense to not throw away everything else that has been so hard fought over their lifetimes for that one issue by voting R.

Then why are you worried? If you are so sure that most women in the US feel embraced, valued, and supported by Democrats, and that the Democrats don’t treat women like second-class citizens, then you have nothing to worry about. 👍

If you want representation that will try to restore the rights women has for almost 50 years, that is the Democratic party. The GOP destroyed those rights.

Okay. If, as you claimed, most women voters feel that way about the Democratic Party, then you should have nothing to worry about.

Most do. And polling shows that women are more and more increasingly leaning liberal and pro-Democrat than their predecessors did. Seems to me this thread is about understanding the phenomenon and rationale of women who don't.

Lately in this thread it just seems to be "you liberals made me conservative" as though you have no control over your own choices and decisions while at the same time bristling over the notion that growing up in a household filled with conservative ideology can't possibly have any impact on someone's choices (a complete contradiction) - and how the suggestion of being influenced by your household and parents somehow misogynistic. And that's frankly dead wrong. I myself grew up in a very conservative military household and for that reason I had very conservative beliefs and values. Later on in life I realized how many of those conservative beliefs I had basically been indoctrinated in by my parents were often regressive, were selfish, greedy and frankly sometimes sociopathic, not rooted in reality and so on. I've seen for myself how people get indoctrinated by conservative media, which also teaches them to avoid and distrust any other sources of information. It really is a type of brainwashing. And' I've seen that same evolution I had from young adult conservatism to more liberal viewpoints repeated with many of my friends and relatives as well. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with misogyny.

I'll add, to clarify that I don't believe there are many, or any dads who are knowingly and intentionally out there rubbing their hands together saying "I need to indoctrinate my baby girl into the world of conservatism" - in most cases they are doing it unknowingly and unconsciously or at most well-intentioned. And often it may be tradition, like I said I grew up in a military family where every generation of my family has served for a very long time along with some deep seated old-school conservatism. For them it's the status quo, it's what they grew up with as well. They don't know any better. I think a lot has changed with the advent of more recent generations, the explosion of media sources and so on, which, for the open minded, gives a whole range of ideas. But at the same time, there definitely also are media outlets out there which are indeed intentionally misleading and disinforming and propagandizing, along with pushing cultish things like telling people to turn off anything but conservative media sources.

You really are not helping your cause. Yes our families influence us during our formative years, but just like you, most people do create their own opinions and thoughts, even if they are republican women.

You didn't achieve some rare thing by turning democratic, the sole non-brainwashed woman who decides which women can think on their own.

I don't have a "cause" - maybe that's projection on your part. And frankly I don't need to have a "cause" because the numbers of women abandoning conservatism for liberalism by far exceed those who are becoming conservative. I'm honestly starting to think that it is in fact you who has a cause, a cause of desperation trying to convince other women that somehow you're actually the one winning (when the numbers clearly show you aren't.) It's practically astroturfing on your part, and the longer you go on, the more cringeworthy it gets, particularly all of the faux moral righteousness and feigned indignance and extreme stretches you keep making to desperately make some pointless point.

I’m not the PP but if swing state women in their 30s and 49s are so overwhelmingly abandoning Republicans the way you claim, this election should be a breeze for Biden.

Alas for you, I suspect you know deep down that you are wildly overstating what’s going on, which is why you are so defensive and panicked.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

Why should someone have to speak to something they never said in the first place? That was your strawman, not theirs.

So, do you support housing biological women prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, which is currently supported by the Democratic Party? Yes or no? It’s a straightforward question.

You don't want a sleazy pervert who commits sexual assault in prison with women but you DO want him to run the country? Yes or no? It's a straightforward question.

I’m not voting for Trump. I don’t want transwomen convicted of sexual assault and rape housed with biological women and I don’t want Trump as my president.

Yet you support a party that fully backs and endorses sleazy sex-abuser Trump, which refuses to question anything Trump says or does, which installed Trump's daughter-in-law as RNC chair...

I literally said I am not voting for Trump. I’m not a Republican. I just understand why women in their 30s/40s might be Republican. Hint: it’s people like you.

Oh come on. If people vote on either side because of discourse from random internet strangers, that’s ludicrous. On this thread, we’ve asked for statistics and exact reasons why feminists should vote Republican. The reasons have been because they believe in a fetus’s rights > its mother’s rights, and abortion division is a given. Then we heard that imprisoned women have to room with trans women. But, we haven’t seen any data about how widespread this is. They haven’t been able to articulate why this issue is the most important feminist issue over say improving maternal health including mental health, fighting for equal wages and equalizing wages for Black women, more money for medical testing on women, better access and affordability for childcare, and on.

Love how you’ve decided that women need to subvert all their issues. As usual, men are more important to you. Grotesque.

DP... I don't understand this response at all. How is the PP saying men are more important? I didn't see anything to warrant that in the comment you are responding to. The PP was merely asking how issues should be prioritized.

Should every other issue of concern to women be completely subverted and be subordinate in order to deal with trans people in prisons? Another woman's interest in womens health, maternal health, access to affordable childcare, equal wages for women, access to contraception and reproductive health, paid family leave, support for women-owned businesses, anti-discrimination laws against women, addressing domestic violence, human sex trafficking, improved political representation by women, and all of these other issues need to shut up, sit down and take a back seat because you demand the issue of transwomen in women's prisons be the top priority?

All of those other women's issues being deprioritized is exactly what would happen if large numbers of women agreed with the PP and made their sole focus to be outrage over trans women in women's prisons and as a result, voted a straight R ticket. Thankfully most women don't agree with the PP. While sure, they don't want to see other women being abused in prison, they have the sense to not throw away everything else that has been so hard fought over their lifetimes for that one issue by voting R.

Then why are you worried? If you are so sure that most women in the US feel embraced, valued, and supported by Democrats, and that the Democrats don’t treat women like second-class citizens, then you have nothing to worry about. 👍

If you want representation that will try to restore the rights women has for almost 50 years, that is the Democratic party. The GOP destroyed those rights.

Okay. If, as you claimed, most women voters feel that way about the Democratic Party, then you should have nothing to worry about.

Most do. And polling shows that women are more and more increasingly leaning liberal and pro-Democrat than their predecessors did. Seems to me this thread is about understanding the phenomenon and rationale of women who don't.

Lately in this thread it just seems to be "you liberals made me conservative" as though you have no control over your own choices and decisions while at the same time bristling over the notion that growing up in a household filled with conservative ideology can't possibly have any impact on someone's choices (a complete contradiction) - and how the suggestion of being influenced by your household and parents somehow misogynistic. And that's frankly dead wrong. I myself grew up in a very conservative military household and for that reason I had very conservative beliefs and values. Later on in life I realized how many of those conservative beliefs I had basically been indoctrinated in by my parents were often regressive, were selfish, greedy and frankly sometimes sociopathic, not rooted in reality and so on. I've seen for myself how people get indoctrinated by conservative media, which also teaches them to avoid and distrust any other sources of information. It really is a type of brainwashing. And' I've seen that same evolution I had from young adult conservatism to more liberal viewpoints repeated with many of my friends and relatives as well. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with misogyny.

The poster you are referencing in the bolded claimed that a female PP who disagreed with her was brainwashed by her father. Not her parents. Her father. And yes, that is shockingly sexist. The fact you refuse to see and acknowledge that is consistent with the general sexism rampant in the progressive left these days.

Let's just start calling you Stretch Armstrong from now on, because that is QUIIIITE THE STRETCH. Your feigned indignance act is really getting old.

Still avoiding the obvious, I see.

Look, when I disagree with a woman, I don’t tell her that their father brainwashed her. I don’t refer to immigrants as dirty brown people. That’s you and your people that do that and that are okay with that.

In any case, you don’t need to worry if you are so sure that swing state female voters in their 30s and 40s think the Democrats value women and don’t consider them second-class citizens. Just keep telling those women that if they disagree with any Democratic talking point, they were brainwashed by their fathers. Or call them dirty brown women, like another one of your compatriots in this thread. I am sure that will be a winning approach for you.

I see we're still indiscriminately mixing posters and demanding from poster C that they speak to whatever it was that poster A (brainwashed by father) and B (dirty brown people) said and then declaring a righteous (but totally false) victory in your own head because nobody is responding to that muddled mess.

I'm not the poster who said either of those things but I AM the poster who (RIGHTLY) pointed out that young adults are often brought up influenced heavily by the ideologies of their parents, or whoever the dominant and influential figure is in their household. And that applies to both conservative and liberal households.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/10/most-us-parents-pass-along-their-religion-and-politics-to-their-children/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0193347
https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/101/1/227/6369004

Again, I'm not the one who said "brainwashed by daddy" but it is a fact that the dominant figure in conservative households is quite often the father. And typically that influence is on both daughters AND sons, so you can kindly keep your misdirected "that's misogynistic!!!" comments to yourself when responding to me.

It's also true that in leftist households, there often are no fathers at all. And absent fathers are heavily correlated with violence, drug use, poverty, dropping out of high school, and all manner of bad life outcomes. I grew up in a fatherless household, it's not some badge of honor for Yaaas Queens. Depriving children of their birthright- two parents- is a proven, consistent factor is problematic lives. So, I'll take a culture of "dominant fathers" who take themselves and their families seriously all day, every day compared to the alternative you offer.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

Call it what you want. Republicans made school shootings possible. They think guns are more important than "values". You can't prezel logic your way out that fact. And God is judging you for it.

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And yet, making laws left and right to control ppl more.

Learn some history. Democrat sponsored laws and regulations haven't come form "a desire to control people" apart from curbing harm to society.

Tell me how the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act "controls people" other than to curb racism?

The law that created OSHA addressed genuine workplace safety issues. Are you not aware of things like the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire where dozens of women died because the door was locked?

The Clean Water Act genuinely improved water quality. Prior to that we had things like the Cuyahoga River being so polluted that it would routinely catch on fire.

Social Security provided a much needed social safety net for senior citizens and the disabled.

And so on. And likewise, government regulations aren't dreamt up by agencies out of the blue. They usually come as a result of decades and decades of recurring problem, like kids being injured by unsafe products and so on.

Love Canal. Lung cancer from cigarettes. Children's' IQ damaged due to lead paint and leaded gas. Some of us remember those lessons and value the fact that Democrats stepped up to address them, as opposed to Republicans who time and time again threw workers and children under the bus in favor of getting their cut from their corporate donors.

It's always astounding how Republicans ignore history, pretend it's all unnecessary, unwarranted "nanny state" garbage that is solely to "control people."

The Democrats also have a long history of promoting and passing eugenics laws, if you are listing out their active social engineering legal activity! Surely you meant to include that!

(Republicans did too, before you come at me. I just despise this sort of rose-colored glasses rewriting of Democratic Party history.)

Eugenics laws?

*removes glasses, wipes them, and checks to see if today is 1924, or 2024*

Keep on stretching there, Stretch Armstrong.

Oh, I see. Like many Democratic Party propagandists, you are wildly ignorant of history. A history lesson for you:

The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire that you reference in your post was in 1911. In 1913, the federal Department of Labor was created, signed into existence by Republican President Taft hours before he left office, after losing to President Wilson. OSHA, however, was created by the passage of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, which was signed into law by Richard Nixon.

Meanwhile, contrary to your obvious ignorance, eugenics is still an ongoing issue. In blue California, it was not until 2010 that eugenics laws governing state hospitals were repealed. The laws promoting eugenics and eugenics policies were mostly pushed from approximately 1907-1937 (by both Republicans and Democrats, though eugenics was particularly associated with the Progressive movement). And it’s still a problem, also in both blue and red states. California paid out damages in *2021* to female prisoners sterilized from 2005 to 2011, while Virginia was the first state to apologize for forced sterilization (2002). There were also alleged forced sterilizations at ICE detention centers in 2020.

I am not by any means exculpating Republicans. But I absolutely despise the Democratic partisan rewriting of history like what you wrote. It’s ignorant, often has basic dates and facts wrong (like you wrote) and exculpates a lot of tremendous damage that Democrats supported.

In addition to your point, PP appears to be ignorant of the borderline -eugenicist activities that is occurring right in front of our faces. Perhaps because this current fashionable sterilization trend primarily affects the autistic and gay women and girls.

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Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

Call it what you want. Republicans made school shootings possible. They think guns are more important than "values". You can't prezel logic your way out that fact. And God is judging you for it.

Republicans or the Constitution?

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Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

Call it what you want. Republicans made school shootings possible. They think guns are more important than "values". You can't prezel logic your way out that fact. And God is judging you for it.

Republicans or the Constitution?

Automatic weapons didn't exist when the Constitution was created, so it's definitely Republicans who ushered in school shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

Why should someone have to speak to something they never said in the first place? That was your strawman, not theirs.

So, do you support housing biological women prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, which is currently supported by the Democratic Party? Yes or no? It’s a straightforward question.

You don't want a sleazy pervert who commits sexual assault in prison with women but you DO want him to run the country? Yes or no? It's a straightforward question.

I’m not voting for Trump. I don’t want transwomen convicted of sexual assault and rape housed with biological women and I don’t want Trump as my president.

Yet you support a party that fully backs and endorses sleazy sex-abuser Trump, which refuses to question anything Trump says or does, which installed Trump's daughter-in-law as RNC chair...

I literally said I am not voting for Trump. I’m not a Republican. I just understand why women in their 30s/40s might be Republican. Hint: it’s people like you.

Oh come on. If people vote on either side because of discourse from random internet strangers, that’s ludicrous. On this thread, we’ve asked for statistics and exact reasons why feminists should vote Republican. The reasons have been because they believe in a fetus’s rights > its mother’s rights, and abortion division is a given. Then we heard that imprisoned women have to room with trans women. But, we haven’t seen any data about how widespread this is. They haven’t been able to articulate why this issue is the most important feminist issue over say improving maternal health including mental health, fighting for equal wages and equalizing wages for Black women, more money for medical testing on women, better access and affordability for childcare, and on.

Love how you’ve decided that women need to subvert all their issues. As usual, men are more important to you. Grotesque.

DP... I don't understand this response at all. How is the PP saying men are more important? I didn't see anything to warrant that in the comment you are responding to. The PP was merely asking how issues should be prioritized.

Should every other issue of concern to women be completely subverted and be subordinate in order to deal with trans people in prisons? Another woman's interest in womens health, maternal health, access to affordable childcare, equal wages for women, access to contraception and reproductive health, paid family leave, support for women-owned businesses, anti-discrimination laws against women, addressing domestic violence, human sex trafficking, improved political representation by women, and all of these other issues need to shut up, sit down and take a back seat because you demand the issue of transwomen in women's prisons be the top priority?

All of those other women's issues being deprioritized is exactly what would happen if large numbers of women agreed with the PP and made their sole focus to be outrage over trans women in women's prisons and as a result, voted a straight R ticket. Thankfully most women don't agree with the PP. While sure, they don't want to see other women being abused in prison, they have the sense to not throw away everything else that has been so hard fought over their lifetimes for that one issue by voting R.

Then why are you worried? If you are so sure that most women in the US feel embraced, valued, and supported by Democrats, and that the Democrats don’t treat women like second-class citizens, then you have nothing to worry about. 👍

If you want representation that will try to restore the rights women has for almost 50 years, that is the Democratic party. The GOP destroyed those rights.

Okay. If, as you claimed, most women voters feel that way about the Democratic Party, then you should have nothing to worry about.

Most do. And polling shows that women are more and more increasingly leaning liberal and pro-Democrat than their predecessors did. Seems to me this thread is about understanding the phenomenon and rationale of women who don't.

Lately in this thread it just seems to be "you liberals made me conservative" as though you have no control over your own choices and decisions while at the same time bristling over the notion that growing up in a household filled with conservative ideology can't possibly have any impact on someone's choices (a complete contradiction) - and how the suggestion of being influenced by your household and parents somehow misogynistic. And that's frankly dead wrong. I myself grew up in a very conservative military household and for that reason I had very conservative beliefs and values. Later on in life I realized how many of those conservative beliefs I had basically been indoctrinated in by my parents were often regressive, were selfish, greedy and frankly sometimes sociopathic, not rooted in reality and so on. I've seen for myself how people get indoctrinated by conservative media, which also teaches them to avoid and distrust any other sources of information. It really is a type of brainwashing. And' I've seen that same evolution I had from young adult conservatism to more liberal viewpoints repeated with many of my friends and relatives as well. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with misogyny.

The poster you are referencing in the bolded claimed that a female PP who disagreed with her was brainwashed by her father. Not her parents. Her father. And yes, that is shockingly sexist. The fact you refuse to see and acknowledge that is consistent with the general sexism rampant in the progressive left these days.

Let's just start calling you Stretch Armstrong from now on, because that is QUIIIITE THE STRETCH. Your feigned indignance act is really getting old.

Still avoiding the obvious, I see.

Look, when I disagree with a woman, I don’t tell her that their father brainwashed her. I don’t refer to immigrants as dirty brown people. That’s you and your people that do that and that are okay with that.

In any case, you don’t need to worry if you are so sure that swing state female voters in their 30s and 40s think the Democrats value women and don’t consider them second-class citizens. Just keep telling those women that if they disagree with any Democratic talking point, they were brainwashed by their fathers. Or call them dirty brown women, like another one of your compatriots in this thread. I am sure that will be a winning approach for you.

I see we're still indiscriminately mixing posters and demanding from poster C that they speak to whatever it was that poster A (brainwashed by father) and B (dirty brown people) said and then declaring a righteous (but totally false) victory in your own head because nobody is responding to that muddled mess.

I'm not the poster who said either of those things but I AM the poster who (RIGHTLY) pointed out that young adults are often brought up influenced heavily by the ideologies of their parents, or whoever the dominant and influential figure is in their household. And that applies to both conservative and liberal households.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/10/most-us-parents-pass-along-their-religion-and-politics-to-their-children/
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0193347
https://academic.oup.com/sf/article/101/1/227/6369004

Again, I'm not the one who said "brainwashed by daddy" but it is a fact that the dominant figure in conservative households is quite often the father. And typically that influence is on both daughters AND sons, so you can kindly keep your misdirected "that's misogynistic!!!" comments to yourself when responding to me.

It's also true that in leftist households, there often are no fathers at all. And absent fathers are heavily correlated with violence, drug use, poverty, dropping out of high school, and all manner of bad life outcomes. I grew up in a fatherless household, it's not some badge of honor for Yaaas Queens. Depriving children of their birthright- two parents- is a proven, consistent factor is problematic lives. So, I'll take a culture of "dominant fathers" who take themselves and their families seriously all day, every day compared to the alternative you offer.

The data is extremely clear-children in fatherless households face much worse outcomes than children in two parent households. PP is a typical progressive who is completely ignorant to their privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

Why should someone have to speak to something they never said in the first place? That was your strawman, not theirs.

So, do you support housing biological women prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, which is currently supported by the Democratic Party? Yes or no? It’s a straightforward question.

You don't want a sleazy pervert who commits sexual assault in prison with women but you DO want him to run the country? Yes or no? It's a straightforward question.

I’m not voting for Trump. I don’t want transwomen convicted of sexual assault and rape housed with biological women and I don’t want Trump as my president.

Yet you support a party that fully backs and endorses sleazy sex-abuser Trump, which refuses to question anything Trump says or does, which installed Trump's daughter-in-law as RNC chair...

I literally said I am not voting for Trump. I’m not a Republican. I just understand why women in their 30s/40s might be Republican. Hint: it’s people like you.

Oh come on. If people vote on either side because of discourse from random internet strangers, that’s ludicrous. On this thread, we’ve asked for statistics and exact reasons why feminists should vote Republican. The reasons have been because they believe in a fetus’s rights > its mother’s rights, and abortion division is a given. Then we heard that imprisoned women have to room with trans women. But, we haven’t seen any data about how widespread this is. They haven’t been able to articulate why this issue is the most important feminist issue over say improving maternal health including mental health, fighting for equal wages and equalizing wages for Black women, more money for medical testing on women, better access and affordability for childcare, and on.

Love how you’ve decided that women need to subvert all their issues. As usual, men are more important to you. Grotesque.

DP... I don't understand this response at all. How is the PP saying men are more important? I didn't see anything to warrant that in the comment you are responding to. The PP was merely asking how issues should be prioritized.

Should every other issue of concern to women be completely subverted and be subordinate in order to deal with trans people in prisons? Another woman's interest in womens health, maternal health, access to affordable childcare, equal wages for women, access to contraception and reproductive health, paid family leave, support for women-owned businesses, anti-discrimination laws against women, addressing domestic violence, human sex trafficking, improved political representation by women, and all of these other issues need to shut up, sit down and take a back seat because you demand the issue of transwomen in women's prisons be the top priority?

All of those other women's issues being deprioritized is exactly what would happen if large numbers of women agreed with the PP and made their sole focus to be outrage over trans women in women's prisons and as a result, voted a straight R ticket. Thankfully most women don't agree with the PP. While sure, they don't want to see other women being abused in prison, they have the sense to not throw away everything else that has been so hard fought over their lifetimes for that one issue by voting R.

Then why are you worried? If you are so sure that most women in the US feel embraced, valued, and supported by Democrats, and that the Democrats don’t treat women like second-class citizens, then you have nothing to worry about. 👍

If you want representation that will try to restore the rights women has for almost 50 years, that is the Democratic party. The GOP destroyed those rights.

If anyone can be a woman, there is no need for special rights.

Bingo.

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And yet, making laws left and right to control ppl more.

Learn some history. Democrat sponsored laws and regulations haven't come form "a desire to control people" apart from curbing harm to society.

Tell me how the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act "controls people" other than to curb racism?

The law that created OSHA addressed genuine workplace safety issues. Are you not aware of things like the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire where dozens of women died because the door was locked?

The Clean Water Act genuinely improved water quality. Prior to that we had things like the Cuyahoga River being so polluted that it would routinely catch on fire.

Social Security provided a much needed social safety net for senior citizens and the disabled.

And so on. And likewise, government regulations aren't dreamt up by agencies out of the blue. They usually come as a result of decades and decades of recurring problem, like kids being injured by unsafe products and so on.

Love Canal. Lung cancer from cigarettes. Children's' IQ damaged due to lead paint and leaded gas. Some of us remember those lessons and value the fact that Democrats stepped up to address them, as opposed to Republicans who time and time again threw workers and children under the bus in favor of getting their cut from their corporate donors.

It's always astounding how Republicans ignore history, pretend it's all unnecessary, unwarranted "nanny state" garbage that is solely to "control people."

The Democrats also have a long history of promoting and passing eugenics laws, if you are listing out their active social engineering legal activity! Surely you meant to include that!

(Republicans did too, before you come at me. I just despise this sort of rose-colored glasses rewriting of Democratic Party history.)

Eugenics laws?

*removes glasses, wipes them, and checks to see if today is 1924, or 2024*

Keep on stretching there, Stretch Armstrong.

Oh, I see. Like many Democratic Party propagandists, you are wildly ignorant of history. A history lesson for you:

The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire that you reference in your post was in 1911. In 1913, the federal Department of Labor was created, signed into existence by Republican President Taft hours before he left office, after losing to President Wilson. OSHA, however, was created by the passage of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, which was signed into law by Richard Nixon.

Meanwhile, contrary to your obvious ignorance, eugenics is still an ongoing issue. In blue California, it was not until 2010 that eugenics laws governing state hospitals were repealed. The laws promoting eugenics and eugenics policies were mostly pushed from approximately 1907-1937 (by both Republicans and Democrats, though eugenics was particularly associated with the Progressive movement). And it’s still a problem, also in both blue and red states. California paid out damages in *2021* to female prisoners sterilized from 2005 to 2011, while Virginia was the first state to apologize for forced sterilization (2002). There were also alleged forced sterilizations at ICE detention centers in 2020.

I am not by any means exculpating Republicans. But I absolutely despise the Democratic partisan rewriting of history like what you wrote. It’s ignorant, often has basic dates and facts wrong (like you wrote) and exculpates a lot of tremendous damage that Democrats supported.

In addition to your point, PP appears to be ignorant of the borderline -eugenicist activities that is occurring right in front of our faces. Perhaps because this current fashionable sterilization trend primarily affects the autistic and gay women and girls.

True. I anticipate that in thirty or forty years there will be compensation discussed for those victims as well.

California gave each of the women it sterilized in prison $25,000 in 2021. That’s it. That’s what the state valued their loss of fertility at.

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Republicans target white women by trying to terrify them about Blacks and immigrants and transgender and drag queens coming after them and their kids. It’s all fear and prejudice bigotry trolling, plus the women in patriarchal evangelical churches who can’t think for themselves.