Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

If you have any experience at TJ, you know that the vast majority of the students there have indeed been spoon-fed all of the information regarding TJ for the entirety of their scholastic lives.

That's not to say that those students are incapable of doing the research on their own or that there aren't a few students who did, but the balance of them are there on their parents' efforts. And by the way, this was the case when the school was majority-white too, so don't get any ideas about throwing this out as "anti-Asian" rhetoric.

I’m a parent of multiple TJ kids and I can attest that this statement is false.

I and a sibling both went to TJ and we can confirm that the statement is true.

I see. Your still bitter about being dominated at TJ?

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Should bright kids who don't have informed parents and who aren't precocious enough to navigate TJ admissions when they are in elementary school be penalized because they haven't "proactively proven their merit" as much as other kids?

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Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

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Why do you use the word "ugly" truth - sounds pretty racist to me - like code words "toxic environment" used when there are too many Indians or South Asians etc...

There is nothing ugly about the USA benefitting from the top graduates of the best universities of the most populous countries of the world coming to our neighborhoods and contributing to the success of public sector IT or hospitals or local corporations. It is an incredible (and mostly free) benefit to the average citizen in America and that is why congress made the laws to encourage this. To do a bait and switch on their children and oppress their children is what is the ugly racism imposed on these people.

You misunderstand. I'm saying it's not reasonable to expect South Asians to be represented in a way corresponding to their share of the population. In any fair process that looks purely at the kids' merit, the South Asian kids ought to be "overrepresented," since only the elites are in the DC area.

And they still are, to an enormous extent - although not quite as enormous as previously. They will always be if for no other reason than their extraordinary interest in the subject matter.

The fact that they are slightly less represented than previously in an attempt to invite other communities into the fold is neither racist nor oppressive.

What a racist, ugly thing to say. Shame on you. Seriously.

.....how....so? Definitely going to need to expand on that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should bright kids who don't have informed parents and who aren't precocious enough to navigate TJ admissions when they are in elementary school be penalized because they haven't "proactively proven their merit" as much as other kids?

Ask Mr. Brabtand. He should tell you why he didn’t his job.

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Anonymous wrote:Should bright kids who don't have informed parents and who aren't precocious enough to navigate TJ admissions when they are in elementary school be penalized because they haven't "proactively proven their merit" as much as other kids?

Ask Mr. Brabtand. He should tell you why he didn’t his job.

Seems like his position is pretty clear. Isn't that why we now have experience factors?

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Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

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Why do you use the word "ugly" truth - sounds pretty racist to me - like code words "toxic environment" used when there are too many Indians or South Asians etc...

There is nothing ugly about the USA benefitting from the top graduates of the best universities of the most populous countries of the world coming to our neighborhoods and contributing to the success of public sector IT or hospitals or local corporations. It is an incredible (and mostly free) benefit to the average citizen in America and that is why congress made the laws to encourage this. To do a bait and switch on their children and oppress their children is what is the ugly racism imposed on these people.

You misunderstand. I'm saying it's not reasonable to expect South Asians to be represented in a way corresponding to their share of the population. In any fair process that looks purely at the kids' merit, the South Asian kids ought to be "overrepresented," since only the elites are in the DC area.

And they still are, to an enormous extent - although not quite as enormous as previously. They will always be if for no other reason than their extraordinary interest in the subject matter.

The fact that they are slightly less represented than previously in an attempt to invite other communities into the fold is neither racist nor oppressive.

What a racist, ugly thing to say. Shame on you. Seriously.

.....how....so? Definitely going to need to expand on that one.

Serious? "There's way too many of them Asians, but it's for no other reason than they're all extraordinarily interested in gaming the admissions process." Would you tolerate an acquaintance saying this about any other race in your presence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should bright kids who don't have informed parents and who aren't precocious enough to navigate TJ admissions when they are in elementary school be penalized because they haven't "proactively proven their merit" as much as other kids?

Bright kids who don’t have informed parents should have the AARTs, Young Scholars coordinators, AVID leaders, and teachers looking out for them. If there are kids out there who are TJ material, but know nothing about math levels, extracurriculars, or any way to prove worthiness, then the system is failing them. Fix the system. Don’t lower the bar.

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Anonymous wrote:Should bright kids who don't have informed parents and who aren't precocious enough to navigate TJ admissions when they are in elementary school be penalized because they haven't "proactively proven their merit" as much as other kids?

Ask Mr. Brabtand. He should tell you why he didn’t his job.

Seems like his position is pretty clear. Isn't that why we now have experience factors?

No. His job was to do the things you listed, not pushing for a racist TJ reform.

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Anonymous wrote:Should bright kids who don't have informed parents and who aren't precocious enough to navigate TJ admissions when they are in elementary school be penalized because they haven't "proactively proven their merit" as much as other kids?

Bright kids who don’t have informed parents should have the AARTs, Young Scholars coordinators, AVID leaders, and teachers looking out for them. If there are kids out there who are TJ material, but know nothing about math levels, extracurriculars, or any way to prove worthiness, then the system is failing them. Fix the system. Don’t lower the bar.

So they are disadvantaged systemically?

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Anonymous wrote:Should bright kids who don't have informed parents and who aren't precocious enough to navigate TJ admissions when they are in elementary school be penalized because they haven't "proactively proven their merit" as much as other kids?

Bright kids who don’t have informed parents should have the AARTs, Young Scholars coordinators, AVID leaders, and teachers looking out for them. If there are kids out there who are TJ material, but know nothing about math levels, extracurriculars, or any way to prove worthiness, then the system is failing them. Fix the system. Don’t lower the bar.

So they are disadvantaged systemically?

Yes they were systematically disadvantaged by Mr. Brabrand and his racist con SB. So those criminal gang should be the one to be eradicated in order to fix the system.

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^ They aren’t at my kids’ school. The AART is very active, provides free science summer programs fit Young Scholars, takes the Young Scholars on special field trips, provides MOEMS and Science Olympiad to all LIII and young scholars, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:What strikes me, while reading through this thread, is that we are all fighting over a scare resource: a high quality high school for high achieving students. Why aren't other high schools able to offer a rigorous course load? I had wonderful opportunities in school and I'm disappointed that my kids don't have access to things like that. Where you live shouldn't mean you're stuck in basic classes throughout high school.

There ARE many high-end opportunities in high schools across Fairfax County - especially in affluent areas.

The overwhelming interest in TJ stems largely from its prestige, and many of the families who are fighting over that resource live in communities where the delta between opportunities at TJ and their base school is far smaller than the delta between those opportunities in the communities that they're trying to keep out.

Disagree. My school is a 3 and we don't have access to much of anything. The regular curriculum is incredibly watered down and is basically remedial instruction at this point. Instead of getting kids who are behind grade level up to grade level, they just keep trudging along. So many of the students are brand new immigrants who don't speak english and are thrown in. Where is the extra tutoring or ESOL classes? I'm increasingly frustrated. Nearly every single one of my neighbors has fled to private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

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Why do you use the word "ugly" truth - sounds pretty racist to me - like code words "toxic environment" used when there are too many Indians or South Asians etc...

There is nothing ugly about the USA benefitting from the top graduates of the best universities of the most populous countries of the world coming to our neighborhoods and contributing to the success of public sector IT or hospitals or local corporations. It is an incredible (and mostly free) benefit to the average citizen in America and that is why congress made the laws to encourage this. To do a bait and switch on their children and oppress their children is what is the ugly racism imposed on these people.

You misunderstand. I'm saying it's not reasonable to expect South Asians to be represented in a way corresponding to their share of the population. In any fair process that looks purely at the kids' merit, the South Asian kids ought to be "overrepresented," since only the elites are in the DC area.

And they still are, to an enormous extent - although not quite as enormous as previously. They will always be if for no other reason than their extraordinary interest in the subject matter.

The fact that they are slightly less represented than previously in an attempt to invite other communities into the fold is neither racist nor oppressive.

What a racist, ugly thing to say. Shame on you. Seriously.

.....how....so? Definitely going to need to expand on that one.

Serious? "There's way too many of them Asians, but it's for no other reason than they're all extraordinarily interested in gaming the admissions process." Would you tolerate an acquaintance saying this about any other race in your presence?

DP. Which poster said this? What timestamp? I must have missed it.

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Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

Bingo. TJ did what it was supposed to do, attract STEM talent to move to Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Jews attend tj or not really?

Yes, in pretty good numbers too.

This is false. The number of Jewish students in each TJ class can be counted on two hands.

there are very few Jews in northern VA.