Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

All of them? They start making Google slideshows in like 3rd grade in FCPS. They all learn how to search the internet for resources based on their projects. They also all learn how to search for any areas of interest for the more open ended projects. This was the case for both my kid in AAP and my kid in Gen ed at a Title I school. Also, the Title I school had 1-1 laptops starting in 3rd grade.

How do they know to search for AoPS? or "free math"?

How many know about TJ and the admissions process?

How many know they need algebra in 8th to apply?

How do they know that they have to start in elementary school to "proactively do something to prove merit"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

How many fifth graders don’t have a parent?

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

All of them? They start making Google slideshows in like 3rd grade in FCPS. They all learn how to search the internet for resources based on their projects. They also all learn how to search for any areas of interest for the more open ended projects. This was the case for both my kid in AAP and my kid in Gen ed at a Title I school. Also, the Title I school had 1-1 laptops starting in 3rd grade.

How do they know to search for AoPS? or "free math"?

How many know about TJ and the admissions process?

How many know they need algebra in 8th to apply?

How do they know that they have to start in elementary school to "proactively do something to prove merit"?

You should ask most of questions to Mr. Brabrand, the co-conspirator of Asian oppression and the superintendent of FCPS. Are you expecting the parents in DCUM to do the superintendent job? Are you paying us for it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

How many fifth graders don’t have a parent?

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

That is why you have teachers who are supposed to help them. The Young Scholars program is designed with this in mind.

[Anonymous]

Most kids of all races are only interested in video games, tik tok, instagram, and sports. Sad truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

Lacking knowledge <> incapable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

If you have any experience at TJ, you know that the vast majority of the students there have indeed been spoon-fed all of the information regarding TJ for the entirety of their scholastic lives.

That's not to say that those students are incapable of doing the research on their own or that there aren't a few students who did, but the balance of them are there on their parents' efforts. And by the way, this was the case when the school was majority-white too, so don't get any ideas about throwing this out as "anti-Asian" rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

If you have any experience at TJ, you know that the vast majority of the students there have indeed been spoon-fed all of the information regarding TJ for the entirety of their scholastic lives.

That's not to say that those students are incapable of doing the research on their own or that there aren't a few students who did, but the balance of them are there on their parents' efforts. And by the way, this was the case when the school was majority-white too, so don't get any ideas about throwing this out as "anti-Asian" rhetoric.

I’m a parent of multiple TJ kids and I can attest that this statement is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

All of them? They start making Google slideshows in like 3rd grade in FCPS. They all learn how to search the internet for resources based on their projects. They also all learn how to search for any areas of interest for the more open ended projects. This was the case for both my kid in AAP and my kid in Gen ed at a Title I school. Also, the Title I school had 1-1 laptops starting in 3rd grade.

How do they know to search for AoPS? or "free math"?

How many know about TJ and the admissions process?

How many know they need algebra in 8th to apply?

How do they know that they have to start in elementary school to "proactively do something to prove merit"?

Adding on to this....

If the free options that are available were nearly as effective as the extremely expensive boutique prep options that are available - and that have demonstrably contributed huge and growing numbers of students to the TJ population - then you would see affluent families choosing to use the free resources on their own instead of the boutique options.

Said differently, if the free options were as effective, Curie would be out of business. They're not, which tells you that resources matter in the TJ admissions process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

If you have any experience at TJ, you know that the vast majority of the students there have indeed been spoon-fed all of the information regarding TJ for the entirety of their scholastic lives.

That's not to say that those students are incapable of doing the research on their own or that there aren't a few students who did, but the balance of them are there on their parents' efforts. And by the way, this was the case when the school was majority-white too, so don't get any ideas about throwing this out as "anti-Asian" rhetoric.

I’m a parent of multiple TJ kids and I can attest that this statement is false.

You'd be incorrect to do so. Which is fine - parents exist within their own limited groups at TJ and love to promote the narrative that their child "got in all on their own" - but you'd be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

+1

Why do you use the word "ugly" truth - sounds pretty racist to me - like code words "toxic environment" used when there are too many Indians or South Asians etc...

There is nothing ugly about the USA benefitting from the top graduates of the best universities of the most populous countries of the world coming to our neighborhoods and contributing to the success of public sector IT or hospitals or local corporations. It is an incredible (and mostly free) benefit to the average citizen in America and that is why congress made the laws to encourage this. To do a bait and switch on their children and oppress their children is what is the ugly racism imposed on these people.

You misunderstand. I'm saying it's not reasonable to expect South Asians to be represented in a way corresponding to their share of the population. In any fair process that looks purely at the kids' merit, the South Asian kids ought to be "overrepresented," since only the elites are in the DC area.

And they still are, to an enormous extent - although not quite as enormous as previously. They will always be if for no other reason than their extraordinary interest in the subject matter.

The fact that they are slightly less represented than previously in an attempt to invite other communities into the fold is neither racist nor oppressive.

What a racist, ugly thing to say. Shame on you. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

If you have any experience at TJ, you know that the vast majority of the students there have indeed been spoon-fed all of the information regarding TJ for the entirety of their scholastic lives.

That's not to say that those students are incapable of doing the research on their own or that there aren't a few students who did, but the balance of them are there on their parents' efforts. And by the way, this was the case when the school was majority-white too, so don't get any ideas about throwing this out as "anti-Asian" rhetoric.

I’m a parent of multiple TJ kids and I can attest that this statement is false.

You'd be incorrect to do so. Which is fine - parents exist within their own limited groups at TJ and love to promote the narrative that their child "got in all on their own" - but you'd be wrong.

Looks like you’re talking to yourself in mirror because I know many, if not most, TJ families and obviously you don’t seem like so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

If you have any experience at TJ, you know that the vast majority of the students there have indeed been spoon-fed all of the information regarding TJ for the entirety of their scholastic lives.

That's not to say that those students are incapable of doing the research on their own or that there aren't a few students who did, but the balance of them are there on their parents' efforts. And by the way, this was the case when the school was majority-white too, so don't get any ideas about throwing this out as "anti-Asian" rhetoric.

I’m a parent of multiple TJ kids and I can attest that this statement is false.

I and a sibling both went to TJ and we can confirm that the statement is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many parents from ED families:
- know about TJ
- know the admissions process
- know their kid needs to take algebra in 8th grade
- know that they need to supplement starting in elementary school
- know they need to proactively do something to prove merit
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Realistically - how many know all of that?

We're not talking about regular ED kids. In the context of TJ, we're discussing the gifted ones who are theoretically falling through the cracks. I would expect that gifted kids don't need to be spoon-fed everything, and they have some basic ability to find information on their own. Families and kids who are as incapable as you portray them would fail spectacularly at a rigorous school like TJ.

If you have any experience at TJ, you know that the vast majority of the students there have indeed been spoon-fed all of the information regarding TJ for the entirety of their scholastic lives.

That's not to say that those students are incapable of doing the research on their own or that there aren't a few students who did, but the balance of them are there on their parents' efforts. And by the way, this was the case when the school was majority-white too, so don't get any ideas about throwing this out as "anti-Asian" rhetoric.

I’m a parent of multiple TJ kids and I can attest that this statement is false.

I and a sibling both went to TJ and we can confirm that the statement is true.

That’s a very weak reasoning. No wonder you favor anti-intellectualism.