Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:Do Jews attend tj or not really?

Yes, in pretty good numbers too.

This is false. The number of Jewish students in each TJ class can be counted on two hands.

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You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

So are Asians still privileged for having more time volunteering?

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You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

So your shifting the goal post and not using the excuse of not having time for volunteering anymore?

I'm a DP.

Just saying that it's hard for bright kids who don't have informed parents to identify what they need to do to "prove merit". Certainly not many kids know on their own to start AoPS in late elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

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You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Doesn’t fcps offer laptops to students? What’s the next excuse?

in elementary school?

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You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

I see. So it’s Asians fault again if the parents know instagram and p*hub but not aops. Makes perfect sense I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

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Why do you use the word "ugly" truth - sounds pretty racist to me - like code words "toxic environment" used when there are too many Indians or South Asians etc...

There is nothing ugly about the USA benefitting from the top graduates of the best universities of the most populous countries of the world coming to our neighborhoods and contributing to the success of public sector IT or hospitals or local corporations. It is an incredible (and mostly free) benefit to the average citizen in America and that is why congress made the laws to encourage this. To do a bait and switch on their children and oppress their children is what is the ugly racism imposed on these people.

You misunderstand. I'm saying it's not reasonable to expect South Asians to be represented in a way corresponding to their share of the population. In any fair process that looks purely at the kids' merit, the South Asian kids ought to be "overrepresented," since only the elites are in the DC area.

And they still are, to an enormous extent - although not quite as enormous as previously. They will always be if for no other reason than their extraordinary interest in the subject matter.

The fact that they are slightly less represented than previously in an attempt to invite other communities into the fold is neither racist nor oppressive.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and it's unrealistic to expect that a bright 5th grader would even know about AoPS on his/her own

If you say so, let’s let them know now. Problem solved!

That's great. You're volunteering to reach out to all 5th grade families to let them know that AoPS exists and why they should use it?

We sure could use that kind of outreach.

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You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

So your shifting the goal post and not using the excuse of not having time for volunteering anymore?

Hard as it may be for you to believe, there are MANY pro-reform posters on this page. I mentioned the piece about volunteerism being challenging. The above was from a different poster.

Interestingly enough, having different perspectives within a conversation leads to a more enriching conversation. Imagine that.

[Anonymous]

To the white savior who keeps posting: Which is it? Are the poor people too ignorant/incompetent/lazy to perform simple internet searches or ask for resources? Are they too lazy or too ignorant to take advantage of the numerous free resources out there for self enrichment? Why do you think poor people need you to play white savior for them?

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Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

How many fifth graders don’t have a parent?

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Anonymous wrote:To the white savior who keeps posting: Which is it? Are the poor people too ignorant/incompetent/lazy to perform simple internet searches or ask for resources? Are they too lazy or too ignorant to take advantage of the numerous free resources out there for self enrichment? Why do you think poor people need you to play white savior for them?

Ironically the answer to both of your questions is yes.

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Anonymous wrote:To the white savior who keeps posting: Which is it? Are the poor people too ignorant/incompetent/lazy to perform simple internet searches or ask for resources? Are they too lazy or too ignorant to take advantage of the numerous free resources out there for self enrichment? Why do you think poor people need you to play white savior for them?

Why on earth do you assume that a) there is only one pro-reform poster on these threads, and b) that every pro-reform poster is white?

Your narratives limit your worldview. Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and it's unrealistic to expect that a bright 5th grader would even know about AoPS on his/her own

If you say so, let’s let them know now. Problem solved!

That's great. You're volunteering to reach out to all 5th grade families to let them know that AoPS exists and why they should use it?

We sure could use that kind of outreach.

You damn sure that my kids and I have volunteered countless more hours than you racist liberals did, reaching out to those groups.

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Anonymous wrote:I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.

How many fifth graders know to do that?

All of them? They start making Google slideshows in like 3rd grade in FCPS. They all learn how to search the internet for resources based on their projects. They also all learn how to search for any areas of interest for the more open ended projects. This was the case for both my kid in AAP and my kid in Gen ed at a Title I school. Also, the Title I school had 1-1 laptops starting in 3rd grade.