New TJ Lawsuit Filed 3/10/21 by Pacific Legal Foundation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if anyone cares anymore or is following this lawsuit, but I wanted to mention that the briefs in Opposition of the TJ Coalition Motion for Preliminary Injunction and the Reply to that Brief as well as the TJ Coalition Opposition to FCSB's Motion to Dismiss were filed today. The hearing on both motions (FCSB's Motion to Dismiss and TJ Coalition's Motion for Preliminary Injunction) are scheduled to argued on May 21. Several organizations have also petitioned to submit amici briefs to give the judge their thoughts on the case.

I still care and would like to know any details you have.

[Anonymous]

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Yes. It sounds very stupid to discriminate against persons based on their race just because one race is underrepresented and the other is over represented based on merit.

You can keep parroting this talking point until you're blue in the face, but it won't make it true.

Asians are not over-represented at TJ because of "merit". They are over-represented at TJ because:

a) Their community values academic prestige at a MUCH higher rate than all other communities in NoVa - which explains their over-representation among applicants; and

b) The previous admissions process strongly favored families who are willing and able to gear a student's entire childhood around optimizing that process - which explains their over-representation even when controlling for application numbers.

Choosing to sell out to getting into TJ from an early age is not merit.

DP. What exactly do you think merit is? Working hard from a young age and being more advanced than your same-age peers sounds a lot like merit to me.

Also, your arguments could be used for any varsity sports team.
a) Some communities value sports excellent at a much higher rate than others.
b) Making the varsity team for many sports favors families who are willing and able to gear a student's entire childhood around that sport.

If you're going to push racial balance in academics, then you should also do so in sports. If you're going to penalize kids for working hard from a young age and being more advanced, then you should also penalize kids in sports who start doing travel leagues or have private coaching.

Merit can be pretty easily defined with respect to TJ as "ability to contribute positively to a strong, well-rounded, collaborative academic environment focused on STEM". There are hundreds of students in every TJ class who, while their report cards and resumes may read well, do essentially nothing to contribute positively to the TJ environment. People on this site get angry whenever I mention that a huge number of them are indistinguishable on paper - but that's by design. They are striving to mirror what they believe to be the portrait of the ideal elite college applicant, which usually amounts to imitating the LinkedIn profile of some kid in an earlier year who got into their dream school. And they do this because it worked to get them into TJ - because the previous admissions process told them "this is what we're looking for".

The sports metaphor is laughable on its face and whenever I hear it brought up in real life, it's almost always a leading indicator of deep (and frequently unwitting) anti-Black resentment.

Hi, that’s great, but mathematicians at NASA really don’t care about all that sht if the kids they’re trying to recruit to build capable rockets can’t actually do math, but were shuffled along academically because of quotas. I’m sorry you’re racist against Asians and seem to view them as robotic automatons incapable of creativity. Just let the fking cream rise to the top and stop trying to pss in the bucket.

Maybe the golf team is a better example for PP. Not everyone can afford equipment, lessons, and greens fees. Why should the school golf team be limited to those who are better at golf when it is clear its based on prep and socio-economic factors that hinder a level playing field from an early age? We should do a holistic review. lol

Because that’s not a good example. Stuyvesant in NY is 57% Asian. A majority of the Asians are FARMS or poor families. So your example makes no sense. Why is is that poor Asian families at Stuyvesant can succeed, win the most acceptance (over whites who are 27% of the school)? They don’t have golf clubs and yet can pass the test to be on the golf team.

[Anonymous]

Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

You are an idit. The golf example was hyperbole to make it not an "Anti-Black sports analogy." The PP's point being, no one makes excuses for the golf team or seeks out equity on who makes the team. You are in the top tier based solely on performance at tryouts and make the team, or you are not as good as your peers and do not. No one cares about your background, upbringing, or prep.

[Anonymous]

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-golf-masters-cabrera-poverty-ridden18119-2009apr13-story.html

"In the best story written on Cabrera in the United State, Sports Illustrated writer Alan Shipnuck visited Cabrera’s hometown after he’d won the U.S. Open at Oakmont in 2007.

Cabrera, 39, grew up almost literally in the streets of Mendiolaza in Argentina’s horse country. His father left the family when he was about 3, and his mother chose to keep two siblings while leaving Angel with his paternal grandmother. At the end of a dirt road littered with trash and stray dogs, she had a home that was two brick walls covered with a tin roof.

Often picking fights in the streets, Cabrera and a friend “borrowed” horses from the neighbors to ride. Angel worked as a gardener for the rich families who employed his grandmother as a housekeeper, but he got fired for falling asleep on the job. He dropped out of school in the sixth grade, and at 16 moved in with his girlfriend."


I guess they should do away of qualifying US Open by golf scores and switch to a lottery. Hey everyone gets to play in the Masters or US Open.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

You are an idit. The golf example was hyperbole to make it not an "Anti-Black sports analogy." The PP's point being, no one makes excuses for the golf team or seeks out equity on who makes the team. You are in the top tier based solely on performance at tryouts and make the team, or you are not as good as your peers and do not. No one cares about your background, upbringing, or prep.

An idit?

DP, but that was funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

I guess you missed the "lol" at the of the post. He's on our side and you are trashing him. You really are an idit. (lol)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

Not sure how you take an opinion piece out of USA Today and somehow think it relates to poor kids having a level playing field for something expensive like golf. But it does appear that you badly missed the point of the post. The poster said no one cares about equity when it comes to the golf team, which was an argument in favor of your point on merit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

Not sure how you take an opinion piece out of USA Today and somehow think it relates to poor kids having a level playing field for something expensive like golf. But it does appear that you badly missed the point of the post. The poster said no one cares about equity when it comes to the golf team, which was an argument in favor of your point on merit.

Stop, stop. Don't feed the troll! (I mean "idit"). I want to hear about the actual lawsuit. Let's please get back on topic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

Not sure how you take an opinion piece out of USA Today and somehow think it relates to poor kids having a level playing field for something expensive like golf. But it does appear that you badly missed the point of the post. The poster said no one cares about equity when it comes to the golf team, which was an argument in favor of your point on merit.

Stop, stop. Don't feed the troll! (I mean "idit"). I want to hear about the actual lawsuit. Let's please get back on topic.

Give the poor guy a break. He's probably angry that he wasted thousands of dollars getting TJ test prep for his kid(s) and now they are probably not going to get in despite all the time and money trying to game the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

Not sure how you take an opinion piece out of USA Today and somehow think it relates to poor kids having a level playing field for something expensive like golf. But it does appear that you badly missed the point of the post. The poster said no one cares about equity when it comes to the golf team, which was an argument in favor of your point on merit.

Stop, stop. Don't feed the troll! (I mean "idit"). I want to hear about the actual lawsuit. Let's please get back on topic.

Give the poor guy a break. He's probably angry that he wasted thousands of dollars getting TJ test prep for his kid(s) and now they are probably not going to get in despite all the time and money trying to game the system.

I wonder how miffed the SJWs will be when it turns out the less qualified kids they manage to squeeze into TJ dumb the school down and TJ’s reputation will simply be that of another middling FCPS school and not on par with the top neighborhood high schools. Then they’ll have to turn their sights on breaking up Langley, no doubt. It’s the educational equivalent of random looting.

[Anonymous]

TJ will be diverse and great. The teaching of the Supreme Court affirmative action cases is that that can be achieved. URMs deserve the opportunity to obtain the credentials that others do.

[Anonymous]

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Yes. It sounds very stupid to discriminate against persons based on their race just because one race is underrepresented and the other is over represented based on merit.

You can keep parroting this talking point until you're blue in the face, but it won't make it true.

Asians are not over-represented at TJ because of "merit". They are over-represented at TJ because:

a) Their community values academic prestige at a MUCH higher rate than all other communities in NoVa - which explains their over-representation among applicants; and

b) The previous admissions process strongly favored families who are willing and able to gear a student's entire childhood around optimizing that process - which explains their over-representation even when controlling for application numbers.

Choosing to sell out to getting into TJ from an early age is not merit.

DP. What exactly do you think merit is? Working hard from a young age and being more advanced than your same-age peers sounds a lot like merit to me.

Also, your arguments could be used for any varsity sports team.
a) Some communities value sports excellent at a much higher rate than others.
b) Making the varsity team for many sports favors families who are willing and able to gear a student's entire childhood around that sport.

If you're going to push racial balance in academics, then you should also do so in sports. If you're going to penalize kids for working hard from a young age and being more advanced, then you should also penalize kids in sports who start doing travel leagues or have private coaching.

Merit can be pretty easily defined with respect to TJ as "ability to contribute positively to a strong, well-rounded, collaborative academic environment focused on STEM". There are hundreds of students in every TJ class who, while their report cards and resumes may read well, do essentially nothing to contribute positively to the TJ environment. People on this site get angry whenever I mention that a huge number of them are indistinguishable on paper - but that's by design. They are striving to mirror what they believe to be the portrait of the ideal elite college applicant, which usually amounts to imitating the LinkedIn profile of some kid in an earlier year who got into their dream school. And they do this because it worked to get them into TJ - because the previous admissions process told them "this is what we're looking for".

The sports metaphor is laughable on its face and whenever I hear it brought up in real life, it's almost always a leading indicator of deep (and frequently unwitting) anti-Black resentment.

Hi, that’s great, but mathematicians at NASA really don’t care about all that sht if the kids they’re trying to recruit to build capable rockets can’t actually do math, but were shuffled along academically because of quotas. I’m sorry you’re racist against Asians and seem to view them as robotic automatons incapable of creativity. Just let the fking cream rise to the top and stop trying to pss in the bucket.

People on this forum really do believe that there is a much bigger difference between the kids who get into TJ and the kids who don't than there actually is.

It's really ugly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi, this will help you understand how even the poorest of golfers can pass a test to be on the team: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/17/asian-americans-hate-speech-crimes-school-admissions-bias-column/7215136002/

And you’re welcome for having your poor golfer story rebuked for its innacuracy.

Really it’s pure racism to try and keep out one race and push another by ending a race neutral test for a rigorous school. At the end of the day, it’s just pure racism. Poor Asians are being held back from advancement because of social engineering do try and ensure equality of outcome. It’s not possible and will result in a watered down curriculum and ultimately in a less qualified work force in the future. Another chapter in the book “freakonimics” could be written about the eventual outcome of these woke policies.

Not sure how you take an opinion piece out of USA Today and somehow think it relates to poor kids having a level playing field for something expensive like golf. But it does appear that you badly missed the point of the post. The poster said no one cares about equity when it comes to the golf team, which was an argument in favor of your point on merit.

Stop, stop. Don't feed the troll! (I mean "idit"). I want to hear about the actual lawsuit. Let's please get back on topic.

Give the poor guy a break. He's probably angry that he wasted thousands of dollars getting TJ test prep for his kid(s) and now they are probably not going to get in despite all the time and money trying to game the system.

I wonder how miffed the SJWs will be when it turns out the less qualified kids they manage to squeeze into TJ dumb the school down and TJ’s reputation will simply be that of another middling FCPS school and not on par with the top neighborhood high schools. Then they’ll have to turn their sights on breaking up Langley, no doubt. It’s the educational equivalent of random looting.

Just.... completely wrong on every level. You can't possibly believe that inviting the top 1.5% from every school (many of whom won't even apply) would somehow dumb down TJ unless you think that literally EVERY kid at most of these schools is less capable than say the 100th most capable kid at Carson or Longfellow.

That point of view would be incredibly myopic at best.