UVA Gang rape
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Anonymous
NP. You sound juvenile. If you think getting a story in Rolling Stone is a big deal, your bar is set pretty low or you haven't been on earth long enough to understand what a big deal is. |
Anonymous
| I wonder how the police will be able to establish that it actually happened at this point. I suppose if she can identify them (ie: "Tad, Mikey, J.P., etc" did it) AND they turn on each other and try to pin it on one or more of their pals then that would establish that something happened. But without any evidence or witnesses, then these guys can walk as long as everyone says nothing happened and it wasn't them. |
Anonymous
One of them will be given immunity and will sing like a bird. |
Anonymous
So, I guess I can assume that you've had several stories in Rolling Stone about yourself. Maybe the NY Times? |
Anonymous
| Well, according to the story, she's been helping other sexual assault victims for some time now based on her experience. Do you think she made the whole thing up two years ago just on the off chance she could get in a magazine? She's not even identified by name. |
Anonymous
The point was that becoming famous is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. She didn't include her real name either. I have been written up in the paper based on the work I do. While it's nice to be recognized, it isn't a big deal. |
Anonymous
By my count, there are eight witnesses: the victim and her seven rapists. The "prisoner's dilemma" rarely works with only two suspects, I can't imagine it working with seven. |
Anonymous
Maybe not, but moving forward, they can probably run some sting operations? |
Anonymous
Likely the one she knew from class, who didn't want to go through with it. If she goes ahead and reports, and names him. |
Anonymous
I was going to say the same thing. I find it harder to believe for two years someone has been giving every sign of having been thru a sexual assault than that there was a sexual assault by several guys at a frat house at UVA. Given the date rape drug stories recently in the news at Univ of Wisconsin and Brown and other cases at UVA is it really that much of a stretch? I think after I read the story about the gang rape a few years ago of a teenager in CA outside of a high school dance where it took an hour or more before someone alerted an adult ....and there were people watching and video taping it ...nothing surprises or shocks me anymore. I think in that situation she went outside the dance with a guy "friend" that started plying her with drinks. |
Anonymous
| Those of you saying you find it hard to believe the friends' reactions -- did you notice that other women who belong to the victims' association also reported facing similar reactions? Anyway, it doesn't surprise me a bit, unfortunately. There is a whole culture of acceptance. |
Anonymous
| Do we know the names of the rapist yet? |
Anonymous
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Some particularly good comments from a NYT op-talk about this:
lulu I recommend reading the original,article in Rolling Stone. The young woman, who had not been drinking, was lead like a sheep to slaughter and attacked by a group of "brothers." She was in a sense pimped by her date. The truly disturbing element of the story, besides the reaction of the young woman's supposed friends and the school administration, is that the attackers come from a fraternity of wealthy students. These are the men who move into positions of,power after graduation. The same for Harvard, Yale and the other Ivy League schools. Then ask yourself how the rape culture is perpetuated. Duh...the power players are part and parcel of these systems. Nov. 21, 2014 at 5:16 p.m. jim I work in the emergency room at UVA Hospital so I see a lot of violence, suffering, and tension up close. The Rolling Stone article focuses on sexual assault, but rape is presented as a subtext to the nature of privilege, power, entitlement, and social hierarchies. Rape is an act of power - not an expression of sexual need gone awry. That is why men are raped in prison settings; to achieve a line of authority. The questions that need addressing are: how is power distributed in our culture? Who gets to feel safe and who vulnerable? What mechanisms exist to level the dynamics of power relationships in our work, social, and political lives? Charlottesville is in the South where the tensions between class, race, and privilege are both stark and, as the article states, silent. The article and the brave victim will add to a badly needed out loud conversation. It already has. UKpatriot As a father of two little girls, who are way too young to go to college, I read the Rolling Stone article in horror. My initial reaction was extreme anger at the cowardice and sense of entitlement that led these fraternity members to treat a young girl in this way. As I thought about it some more, I could not help but comparing their attitude and actions to my own college days when I was a similar age. I was a member of the rugby team at university and as readers will appreciate rugby clubs are also known for raucous behavior and a drinking culture. However, there is I think a huge difference between the rugby club culture and etiquette and the fraternity culture. It is simply that any ill-treatment of women, even minor ways, such as bullying, ridicule, debasement would be regarded as cowardly and insulting and the other members of the club would view the perpetrator as a weak, pathetic and quite frankly not worth knowing. I therefore never saw it in my time as a rugby play (from age 8 to 35) I felt compelled to write this post as I think this comparison shows that there is something deeply wrong about a fraternity culture, where to be proved a man you must hunt down individual young women in a pack. So, one final message to you fraternity 'brothers' out there. If you behave like this at any event that a rugby club is attending you had better watch out because you will be dealt with swiftly and you will find out how real men conduct themselves. Nov. 21, 2014 at 4:23 p.m. Reply Recommend (60) Flag |
Anonymous
Yeah, no way are all the guys going to keep their mouths shut. If/when Anonymous or someone else starts naming names and the victim decides to press charges, these guys will be climbing all over themselves to dime on their friends if their lawyers think it will keep them out of Sussex or Red Onion. The whole case is pretty similar to one that happened back in '90, involving a bunch of frat guys from Hampton and Bowie State who raped a 17 year old Hampton U freshman. That woman DID go to the police and six of the guys went to prison because of it. ONE guy didn't do time due to the "whiskey dick defense" and managed to successfully bury the story of his involvement in the case successfully for over a decade; he built up a successful martial arts school and coached numerous MMA fighters and had a net worth in the millions at one point. Welp, guess what happened? Almost two years ago, two of his star students raped an intoxicated female teammate in a parking garage in DC on New Year's Eve. The incident was captured on the garage's video surveillance camera AND one of the guys also recorded part of it on his cellphone (really classy). They also smashed her head into the concrete, choked her and then left her alone and passed out on the floor of the parking garage in the freezing cold. A stranger heard her crying and called 911 and she was taken to the hospital and was immediately treated and had a rape kit performed, etc. She gave a statement to the police as soon as she was able and the guys were arrested and put in jail and went on trial last year. Should have been an EASY guilty conviction for both guys, right? Video evidence, physical evidence, police report, the victim did everything you're "supposed" to do after you've been sexually assaulted. Unfortunately, the aforementioned gang rapist-turned-coach paid for top of the line defense lawyers for both of his students, whereas neither the victim nor her family had that kind of cash, and those lawyers managed to get the guys off on all charges. So, there are two sick fucks running around, probably looking for the next target and a rape survivor who had to face both of them in court and got no justice. Horrible. I can absolutely see why women are hesitant to come forward, ugh. You know what else? With the guys I was talking about above--ALL of them--when this whole case came to light, all kinds of shit about them started coming out. It was like shining a flashlight on one cockroach and then you see dozens scurry. The coach has since been accused of improper conduct with some of his female students, it turns out one of the guys he hired to help teach the KID'S PROGRAM at his martial arts school has an open warrant in Iowa for sexual battery of a minor, the guys who raped the girl had apparently been kicked out of several schools before for theft and other shady stuff, the list goes on. Getting back to the UVA frat case, yeah, alcohol and the frat culture are a terrible mix, but no doubt these guys were rotten to the core long before this happened. |
Anonymous
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Hey, this is not the first time RAPE happens at the same Frat house and becomes news. I read about the woman, a UVA student who was raped in 1984 and then in 2006 got a letter with the rapist apologizing. Yes, the woman exchanged emails with the guy and then press chargers after 20 years with that letter and realized, in the trial that she had been actually gang raped by 2 others. What did UVA did? Nothing. And this girl was more outspoken then. The guy only got 18 months.
I have forgotten the name of this victim but the Rolling Stone article mentions her. |