UVA Gang rape

[Anonymous]

I believe she was told that Charlottesville police had no jurisdiction over University. It was a coverup by the Univ., and like all coverups. It blew up in their face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe she was told that Charlottesville police had no jurisdiction over University. It was a coverup by the Univ., and like all coverups. It blew up in their face.

What? It's not like a military basei Native American land or international waters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe she was told that Charlottesville police had no jurisdiction over University. It was a coverup by the Univ., and like all coverups. It blew up in their face.

It's such bullshit if it's true. She has no business running a university if she is this naive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe she was told that Charlottesville police had no jurisdiction over University. It was a coverup by the Univ., and like all coverups. It blew up in their face.

It's such bullshit if it's true. She has no business running a university if she is this naive.

UPL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me clarify: what exactly could they do without charges being filed?

They can (and probably did) the usual window dressing BS of PSAs, safety flyers and trainings, and media campaigns...but that wouldn't stop criminal thugs like the frathouse rapists.

You know what works? Filing criminal charges...not relying on internal (fake) disciplinary hearings at a university (which has a vested interest in making problems disappear). You have to call the police. Working through the university is just as dumb as complaining to the head priest when your kid is raped by another priest...stupid...involve the police if you want action to be taken.

Yeah, I don't understand why some people choose these options over criminal prosecution. These are crimes committed by criminals. They need to be put in jail and labeled as convicted sex offenders to protect others.

The Rolling Stone article goes into some detail about this but basically victims are given a menu of actions to take without any weight being given to one option in particular. Some of these options could include meeting with those accused and telling them how you feel and/or pursuing criminal charges. Colleges/universities will put someone in place to serve as something of an ombudsman but their responsibility is not to serve as an advocate for the victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me clarify: what exactly could they do without charges being filed?

They can (and probably did) the usual window dressing BS of PSAs, safety flyers and trainings, and media campaigns...but that wouldn't stop criminal thugs like the frathouse rapists.

You know what works? Filing criminal charges...not relying on internal (fake) disciplinary hearings at a university (which has a vested interest in making problems disappear). You have to call the police. Working through the university is just as dumb as complaining to the head priest when your kid is raped by another priest...stupid...involve the police if you want action to be taken.

Yeah, I don't understand why some people choose these options over criminal prosecution. These are crimes committed by criminals. They need to be put in jail and labeled as convicted sex offenders to protect others.

Because criminal prosecutions drag on for a long time and you face an uphill battle when your entire history is raked over the coals. What were you wearing? Were you drinking? Have you ever flirted with a man? Basically, we know you did something to deserve this, so let's pinpoint how exactly you asked for it. Are your attackers wealthy? B/C their attorney is going to destroy you and make you wish you pretended this never happened. You have no idea what it's like to be far from home, making new friends, and relying on a shaky support network when something like this happens. You have no idea how an attack, a violation of this magnitude just utterly destroys you from the inside out. How you blame yourself for something as simple as going to a party or straightening your hair or wearing an outfit that was flattering. You aren't thinking clearly and when the first people you come in contact with talk about how your fragile little world is going to be further destroyed and your reputation ruined, you aren't exactly running to the local police station to sign up for more devastation and the prospect of facing potential threats from the people who already killed a huge part of you -- your safety, your security, your faith in people. Then, when you're brave enough to report to the school, you're met with phony support and gentle urging not to push charges b/c "it's so hard to prove" but maybe you should consider pursuing this lesser avenue through the university to "make the bad guys pay." Only then, the administration holds all the cards and nothing really happens to the animals b/c for the administration, it's all about protecting the school reputation and the almighty dollar. Does that help you understand a little bit better? You have absolutely no idea what kind of inner turmoil, self-doubt, and overwhelming fear is triggered by this kind of attack, particularly when you likely have to face your attackers and their friends on campus and fear harassment and retaliation around every corner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me clarify: what exactly could they do without charges being filed?

They can (and probably did) the usual window dressing BS of PSAs, safety flyers and trainings, and media campaigns...but that wouldn't stop criminal thugs like the frathouse rapists.

You know what works? Filing criminal charges...not relying on internal (fake) disciplinary hearings at a university (which has a vested interest in making problems disappear). You have to call the police. Working through the university is just as dumb as complaining to the head priest when your kid is raped by another priest...stupid...involve the police if you want action to be taken.

Yeah, I don't understand why some people choose these options over criminal prosecution. These are crimes committed by criminals. They need to be put in jail and labeled as convicted sex offenders to protect others.

Because criminal prosecutions drag on for a long time and you face an uphill battle when your entire history is raked over the coals. What were you wearing? Were you drinking? Have you ever flirted with a man? Basically, we know you did something to deserve this, so let's pinpoint how exactly you asked for it. Are your attackers wealthy? B/C their attorney is going to destroy you and make you wish you pretended this never happened. You have no idea what it's like to be far from home, making new friends, and relying on a shaky support network when something like this happens. You have no idea how an attack, a violation of this magnitude just utterly destroys you from the inside out. How you blame yourself for something as simple as going to a party or straightening your hair or wearing an outfit that was flattering. You aren't thinking clearly and when the first people you come in contact with talk about how your fragile little world is going to be further destroyed and your reputation ruined, you aren't exactly running to the local police station to sign up for more devastation and the prospect of facing potential threats from the people who already killed a huge part of you -- your safety, your security, your faith in people. Then, when you're brave enough to report to the school, you're met with phony support and gentle urging not to push charges b/c "it's so hard to prove" but maybe you should consider pursuing this lesser avenue through the university to "make the bad guys pay." Only then, the administration holds all the cards and nothing really happens to the animals b/c for the administration, it's all about protecting the school reputation and the almighty dollar. Does that help you understand a little bit better? You have absolutely no idea what kind of inner turmoil, self-doubt, and overwhelming fear is triggered by this kind of attack, particularly when you likely have to face your attackers and their friends on campus and fear harassment and retaliation around every corner.

Well there can be no peace without justice. This too shall be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe she was told that Charlottesville police had no jurisdiction over University. It was a coverup by the Univ., and like all coverups. It blew up in their face.

It's such bullshit if it's true. She has no business running a university if she is this naive.

I was referring to victim being told local police having no jurisdiction not Sullivan.

21:49 is absolutely correct.

[Anonymous]

UVA suspends all fraternities and activities until January 9.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA suspends all fraternities and activities until January 9.

Big deal. Thanksgiving and Christmas break during 90% of this time. An aspirin to cure a malignant brain tumor.

[Anonymous]

This particular victim was not told that. I believe a victim from 20 years ago or more was told that.

The solution is simple. Universities have no business investigating and reporting these kids of allegations. None. Should have been reported to police. Yes, I get the many police systems aren't great either but better than universities.

Where on earth was the concern that the school potentially had criminals in their midst who could attack. others. Police should have been called immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Jeff move mine too. This goes way beyond the college forum. But he is boss.

Can you believe their first action was to hire a white male former uva grad and from the fraternity at issue! She is hopeless this alone should get her fired.

Who did they hire and why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Jeff move mine too. This goes way beyond the college forum. But he is boss.

Can you believe their first action was to hire a white male former uva grad and from the fraternity at issue! She is hopeless this alone should get her fired.

Who did they hire and why?

Mark Filipino, but he just got pulled from it because of the frat ties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Jeff move mine too. This goes way beyond the college forum. But he is boss.

Can you believe their first action was to hire a white male former uva grad and from the fraternity at issue! She is hopeless this alone should get her fired.

Who did they hire and why?

Mark Filipino, but he just got pulled from it because of the frat ties.

Filip. Damn you auto correct!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me clarify: what exactly could they do without charges being filed?

They can (and probably did) the usual window dressing BS of PSAs, safety flyers and trainings, and media campaigns...but that wouldn't stop criminal thugs like the frathouse rapists.

You know what works? Filing criminal charges...not relying on internal (fake) disciplinary hearings at a university (which has a vested interest in making problems disappear). You have to call the police. Working through the university is just as dumb as complaining to the head priest when your kid is raped by another priest...stupid...involve the police if you want action to be taken.

+100
A victim has to file criminal charges. Period.