UVA Gang rape

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this on another thread, but will post again here:
I believe most of it. I knew two women who were gang raped in similar situations in frats while I was in college; they were not "duped" but sounded like they were incredibly fall-down drunk/stoned. Both became pregnant (which is the only reason I heard about it) and both had people tell them what happened after they realized something was wrong. The guys called it "riding the train" when they referred to the incident. (Not at UVA, by the way, but at schools with large DC-area student bodies.)

Nothing ever happened to the frat guys. Most were fairly wealthy, at least upper middle class as were the girls. The administration knew it was happening and did get security to do sweeps to "round up" the really drunk girls they found outside frat houses and deliver them to a safer place to sober up, so they would be less likely to be victimized. Seriously. Nothing was ever reported to police.

One girl gave the child up for adoption, the other decided to have an abortion. I just assume there were many many other stories I did not hear if the girls did not get pregnant due to: preexisting use of birth control, enough knowledge or bravery to go to the ER for treatment, or just plain luck.

So awful. I'd heard the expression "riding the train" before but until this thread, I never knew what it meant. I assumed it had something to do with consuming copious amounts of beer. Now I really wish that's all it were!

That's one reason I posted the phrase, because I think many people may have heard guys talking about these sorts of incidents "in code" and really have no idea what they actually mean. And, there are usually no reports, no police involved.

At yet in the alleged UVA incident, the alleged victim was sober and, while she purportedly recalled every detail of what happened during her assault, we're not told in an otherwise graphic article whether the alleged perpetrators wore condoms or whether she was sufficiently concerned to have a pregnancy/AIDS/STD test. Yet more reasons reason why the veracity of the account is open to serious question.

Oh yeah and she didn't mention the hole in the ceiling while she was being assaulted and beaten. Maybe she did mention it but the author omitted that factoid.
You are a Bonehead beyond all others.

As if the author would have omitted any salacious detail from her RS piece?

Apology accepted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm only concerned about justice. And of course there are rapists on campus. For for 7 (or more, if more were in the room witnessing) rapists to be together at the same time, and none thought it wrong or thought to stop it or try to stop it, just seems unbelievable. More unbelievable than the Duke rape case years ago.

It's actually not in the least unbelievable. You're inexperienced and/or naive to think it is.

The Duke rape case was he said/she said.. No judgement of innocence. The fact is , an all white lacrosse team of rich kids had a party where they purchased African American strippers for objectification and entertainment. You can imagine the toxic atmosphere.

Not quite. In the Duke rape case, the boys were 100% exonerated after it was found out the "victim" completely lied and made every single thing up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can they do? Close the frats. Abolish the Greek system. That is the least they can do.

Boys need intensive classes on how to be respectful of women since many parents are not instilling this value at home.

Women can teach their daughters not to lie and ruin innocent lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can they do? Close the frats. Abolish the Greek system. That is the least they can do.

Boys need intensive classes on how to be respectful of women since many parents are not instilling this value at home.

Women can teach their daughters not to lie and ruin innocent lives.

Whose life was ruined, here?

[Anonymous]

I am the PP who knows the women who were attacked a while ago. The attacker in the Duke case was not a Duke student and was at a great disadvantage at the party with all those drunk guys who were insulting her and her entire race. She had nothing to loose and everything to gain by hurting those guys. I feel badly for her, but she should not have pressed forward on the charges.

This woman (as far as we have been informed) is an average undergrad who could get into UVA. It boggles my mind that there are so many people in this forum, for moms and dads in the DC area, who are willing to throw this girl under the bus. She could be your daughter.

I have to wonder if a lot of the details are what she "thinks" she remembers, but I don't think that means she was not attacked. Maybe she is not admitting she drank, or used drugs, or made the VERY HUGE MISTAKE of taking a drink given to her at a fraternity. But, it serves as a warning to other women (and men, by the way) that when they report an attack they have to remember every little detail exactly or just not report.

She has learned a very hard lesson and has taught it to many others--it is best to stay quiet and let the old boy network rule. It will be interesting when they research and release the Rolling Stone article, as they say they plan to do.

So please teach your sons and daughters to:
(1) not attend an event at a frat house until after freshman year, if not pledging. That way they can hear on the campus stories and decide for themselves if the frat is ok or has problems.
(2) Never take an opened drink or open cup from anyone at a frat house (or at any other party for that matter)
(3) Do not leave your cup or turn your back on it. Keep it in your hand. Do this in the bars too.
(4) if you believe you might have been raped, go to the ER ASAP. Even if you don't remember.

These are the things you can teach your sons and daughters to keep them safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who knows the women who were attacked a while ago. The attacker in the Duke case was not a Duke student and was at a great disadvantage at the party with all those drunk guys who were insulting her and her entire race. She had nothing to loose and everything to gain by hurting those guys. I feel badly for her, but she should not have pressed forward on the charges.

This woman (as far as we have been informed) is an average undergrad who could get into UVA. It boggles my mind that there are so many people in this forum, for moms and dads in the DC area, who are willing to throw this girl under the bus. She could be your daughter.

I have to wonder if a lot of the details are what she "thinks" she remembers, but I don't think that means she was not attacked. Maybe she is not admitting she drank, or used drugs, or made the VERY HUGE MISTAKE of taking a drink given to her at a fraternity. But, it serves as a warning to other women (and men, by the way) that when they report an attack they have to remember every little detail exactly or just not report.

She has learned a very hard lesson and has taught it to many others--it is best to stay quiet and let the old boy network rule. It will be interesting when they research and release the Rolling Stone article, as they say they plan to do.

So please teach your sons and daughters to:
(1) not attend an event at a frat house until after freshman year, if not pledging. That way they can hear on the campus stories and decide for themselves if the frat is ok or has problems.
(2) Never take an opened drink or open cup from anyone at a frat house (or at any other party for that matter)
(3) Do not leave your cup or turn your back on it. Keep it in your hand. Do this in the bars too.
(4) if you believe you might have been raped, go to the ER ASAP. Even if you don't remember.

These are the things you can teach your sons and daughters to keep them safe.

I agree with you completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The attacker in the Duke case was not a Duke student and was at a great disadvantage at the party with all those drunk guys who were insulting her and her entire race. She had nothing to loose and everything to gain by hurting those guys. I feel badly for her, but she should not have pressed forward on the charges.

I feel a bit worse for all those boys whos names were dragged through the mud for months and are still being dragged through the mud by false rape allegation apologists like you. I feel even more sorry for the boyfriend she later murdered.

[Anonymous]

Father of UVA girl, 20, defends her claim that she WAS raped - and says she simply got name of fraternity where 'attack' happened wrong

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2865965/My-daughter-told-truth-Father-girl-center-University-Virginia-gang-rape-storm-defends-20-year-old-saying-raped-simply-mistake-fraternity-attack-happened.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who knows the women who were attacked a while ago. The attacker in the Duke case was not a Duke student and was at a great disadvantage at the party with all those drunk guys who were insulting her and her entire race. She had nothing to loose and everything to gain by hurting those guys. I feel badly for her, but she should not have pressed forward on the charges.

This woman (as far as we have been informed) is an average undergrad who could get into UVA. It boggles my mind that there are so many people in this forum, for moms and dads in the DC area, who are willing to throw this girl under the bus. She could be your daughter.

I have to wonder if a lot of the details are what she "thinks" she remembers, but I don't think that means she was not attacked. Maybe she is not admitting she drank, or used drugs, or made the VERY HUGE MISTAKE of taking a drink given to her at a fraternity. But, it serves as a warning to other women (and men, by the way) that when they report an attack they have to remember every little detail exactly or just not report.

She has learned a very hard lesson and has taught it to many others--it is best to stay quiet and let the old boy network rule. It will be interesting when they research and release the Rolling Stone article, as they say they plan to do.

So please teach your sons and daughters to:
(1) not attend an event at a frat house until after freshman year, if not pledging. That way they can hear on the campus stories and decide for themselves if the frat is ok or has problems.
(2) Never take an opened drink or open cup from anyone at a frat house (or at any other party for that matter)
(3) Do not leave your cup or turn your back on it. Keep it in your hand. Do this in the bars too.
(4) if you believe you might have been raped, go to the ER ASAP. Even if you don't remember.

These are the things you can teach your sons and daughters to keep them safe.

I agree with you completely.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/27586932/father-of-alleged-uva-gang-rape-victim-speaks-out

I find this line very interesting: "Over the weekend, Rolling Stone revised the note, removing the line, “our trust in her was misplaced.” The magazine said that it shouldn't have agreed to 'Jackie's' request not to contact the alleged assailants to get their side of the story. "These mistakes are on Rolling Stone, not on Jackie," wrote Will Dana, the magazine's managing editor. "

so now RS is NOT stating "our trust in her was misplaced". What a complete mash-up. I hope Jackie has a great lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Father of UVA girl, 20, defends her claim that she WAS raped - and says she simply got name of fraternity where 'attack' happened wrong

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2865965/My-daughter-told-truth-Father-girl-center-University-Virginia-gang-rape-storm-defends-20-year-old-saying-raped-simply-mistake-fraternity-attack-happened.html

RS owns all of the responsibility for this. Daily Mail muddies water by writing twice that Dad of Jackie stated this happened in first two weeks of the term. This story will become the next OJ trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who knows the women who were attacked a while ago. The attacker in the Duke case was not a Duke student and was at a great disadvantage at the party with all those drunk guys who were insulting her and her entire race. She had nothing to loose and everything to gain by hurting those guys. I feel badly for her, but she should not have pressed forward on the charges.

This woman (as far as we have been informed) is an average undergrad who could get into UVA. It boggles my mind that there are so many people in this forum, for moms and dads in the DC area, who are willing to throw this girl under the bus. She could be your daughter.

I have to wonder if a lot of the details are what she "thinks" she remembers, but I don't think that means she was not attacked. Maybe she is not admitting she drank, or used drugs, or made the VERY HUGE MISTAKE of taking a drink given to her at a fraternity. But, it serves as a warning to other women (and men, by the way) that when they report an attack they have to remember every little detail exactly or just not report.

She has learned a very hard lesson and has taught it to many others--it is best to stay quiet and let the old boy network rule. It will be interesting when they research and release the Rolling Stone article, as they say they plan to do.

So please teach your sons and daughters to:
(1) not attend an event at a frat house until after freshman year, if not pledging. That way they can hear on the campus stories and decide for themselves if the frat is ok or has problems.
(2) Never take an opened drink or open cup from anyone at a frat house (or at any other party for that matter)
(3) Do not leave your cup or turn your back on it. Keep it in your hand. Do this in the bars too.
(4) if you believe you might have been raped, go to the ER ASAP. Even if you don't remember.

These are the things you can teach your sons and daughters to keep them safe.

The Wikipedia page on rape culture might be helpful for you to read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who knows the women who were attacked a while ago. The attacker in the Duke case was not a Duke student and was at a great disadvantage at the party with all those drunk guys who were insulting her and her entire race. She had nothing to loose and everything to gain by hurting those guys. I feel badly for her, but she should not have pressed forward on the charges.

This woman (as far as we have been informed) is an average undergrad who could get into UVA. It boggles my mind that there are so many people in this forum, for moms and dads in the DC area, who are willing to throw this girl under the bus. She could be your daughter.

I have to wonder if a lot of the details are what she "thinks" she remembers, but I don't think that means she was not attacked. Maybe she is not admitting she drank, or used drugs, or made the VERY HUGE MISTAKE of taking a drink given to her at a fraternity. But, it serves as a warning to other women (and men, by the way) that when they report an attack they have to remember every little detail exactly or just not report.

She has learned a very hard lesson and has taught it to many others--it is best to stay quiet and let the old boy network rule. It will be interesting when they research and release the Rolling Stone article, as they say they plan to do.

So please teach your sons and daughters to:
(1) not attend an event at a frat house until after freshman year, if not pledging. That way they can hear on the campus stories and decide for themselves if the frat is ok or has problems.
(2) Never take an opened drink or open cup from anyone at a frat house (or at any other party for that matter)
(3) Do not leave your cup or turn your back on it. Keep it in your hand. Do this in the bars too.
(4) if you believe you might have been raped, go to the ER ASAP. Even if you don't remember.

These are the things you can teach your sons and daughters to keep them safe.

The Wikipedia page on rape culture might be helpful for you to read.

How about teach your kids to not be duped and mislead by hidden agendas and politically motivated buzz words: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-students-challenge-rolling-stone-account-of-attack/2014/12/10/ef345e42-7fcb-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html?tid=trending_strip_5; mislead by a suspect study: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-1-in-5-women-have-not-been-raped-on-college-campuses/article/2551980 [https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf] because this could be your kid: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/college_rape_campus_sexual_assault_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who knows the women who were attacked a while ago. The attacker in the Duke case was not a Duke student and was at a great disadvantage at the party with all those drunk guys who were insulting her and her entire race. She had nothing to loose and everything to gain by hurting those guys. I feel badly for her, but she should not have pressed forward on the charges.

This woman (as far as we have been informed) is an average undergrad who could get into UVA. It boggles my mind that there are so many people in this forum, for moms and dads in the DC area, who are willing to throw this girl under the bus. She could be your daughter.

I have to wonder if a lot of the details are what she "thinks" she remembers, but I don't think that means she was not attacked. Maybe she is not admitting she drank, or used drugs, or made the VERY HUGE MISTAKE of taking a drink given to her at a fraternity. But, it serves as a warning to other women (and men, by the way) that when they report an attack they have to remember every little detail exactly or just not report.

She has learned a very hard lesson and has taught it to many others--it is best to stay quiet and let the old boy network rule. It will be interesting when they research and release the Rolling Stone article, as they say they plan to do.

So please teach your sons and daughters to:
(1) not attend an event at a frat house until after freshman year, if not pledging. That way they can hear on the campus stories and decide for themselves if the frat is ok or has problems.
(2) Never take an opened drink or open cup from anyone at a frat house (or at any other party for that matter)
(3) Do not leave your cup or turn your back on it. Keep it in your hand. Do this in the bars too.
(4) if you believe you might have been raped, go to the ER ASAP. Even if you don't remember.

These are the things you can teach your sons and daughters to keep them safe.

The Wikipedia page on rape culture might be helpful for you to read.

Fixed url's

How about teach your kids to not be duped and mislead by hidden agendas and politically motivated buzz words: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-students-challenge-rolling-stone-account-of-attack/2014/12/10/ef345e42-7fcb-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html?tid=trending_strip_5; mislead by a suspect study: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-1-in-5-women-have-not-been-raped-on-college-campuses/article/2551980 {The flawed study https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf/ } because this could be your kid manipulated into making accusations or being accused: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/college_rape_campus_sexual_assault_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html.

[Anonymous]

Rape culture does not exist. It's just made up like Jackie's story. Every time I hear the rape culture, I put that person in the radial camp along with the Benghazi freaks.

[Anonymous]

The REAL UVa atrocity story: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/i-was-gang-raped-at-a-uva-frat-30-years-ago-and-no-one-did-anything.html