UVA Gang rape

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this on another thread, but will post again here:
I believe most of it. I knew two women who were gang raped in similar situations in frats while I was in college; they were not "duped" but sounded like they were incredibly fall-down drunk/stoned. Both became pregnant (which is the only reason I heard about it) and both had people tell them what happened after they realized something was wrong. The guys called it "riding the train" when they referred to the incident. (Not at UVA, by the way, but at schools with large DC-area student bodies.)

Nothing ever happened to the frat guys. Most were fairly wealthy, at least upper middle class as were the girls. The administration knew it was happening and did get security to do sweeps to "round up" the really drunk girls they found outside frat houses and deliver them to a safer place to sober up, so they would be less likely to be victimized. Seriously. Nothing was ever reported to police.

One girl gave the child up for adoption, the other decided to have an abortion. I just assume there were many many other stories I did not hear if the girls did not get pregnant due to: preexisting use of birth control, enough knowledge or bravery to go to the ER for treatment, or just plain luck.

So awful. I'd heard the expression "riding the train" before but until this thread, I never knew what it meant. I assumed it had something to do with consuming copious amounts of beer. Now I really wish that's all it were!

That's one reason I posted the phrase, because I think many people may have heard guys talking about these sorts of incidents "in code" and really have no idea what they actually mean. And, there are usually no reports, no police involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this on another thread, but will post again here:
I believe most of it. I knew two women who were gang raped in similar situations in frats while I was in college; they were not "duped" but sounded like they were incredibly fall-down drunk/stoned. Both became pregnant (which is the only reason I heard about it) and both had people tell them what happened after they realized something was wrong. The guys called it "riding the train" when they referred to the incident. (Not at UVA, by the way, but at schools with large DC-area student bodies.)

Nothing ever happened to the frat guys. Most were fairly wealthy, at least upper middle class as were the girls. The administration knew it was happening and did get security to do sweeps to "round up" the really drunk girls they found outside frat houses and deliver them to a safer place to sober up, so they would be less likely to be victimized. Seriously. Nothing was ever reported to police.

One girl gave the child up for adoption, the other decided to have an abortion. I just assume there were many many other stories I did not hear if the girls did not get pregnant due to: preexisting use of birth control, enough knowledge or bravery to go to the ER for treatment, or just plain luck.

So awful. I'd heard the expression "riding the train" before but until this thread, I never knew what it meant. I assumed it had something to do with consuming copious amounts of beer. Now I really wish that's all it were!

That's one reason I posted the phrase, because I think many people may have heard guys talking about these sorts of incidents "in code" and really have no idea what they actually mean. And, there are usually no reports, no police involved.

At yet in the alleged UVA incident, the alleged victim was sober and, while she purportedly recalled every detail of what happened during her assault, we're not told in an otherwise graphic article whether the alleged perpetrators wore condoms or whether she was sufficiently concerned to have a pregnancy/AIDS/STD test. Yet more reasons reason why the veracity of the account is open to serious question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....

http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/

"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."

Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.

The police do not need Jackie to start an investigation... just like they don't need a dead person to testify about their murder or they don't need a wife to bring charges against her husband.

If this sort of behavior is considered "standard" at a university, and it is kept hidden from the people at the top or considered "hijinks", why would anyone start an investigation?
There have been "trains" (ie gang rapes) at colleges and universities in Virginia since the 80s, and probably before and at many other places as well. Why have you not heard about them? Because everyone keeps silent; the universities don't want bad publicity, the frat guys want what they want, and the girls are too humiliated or are discouraged at every turn, or they don't want to lose their frat guy boyfriend. Who knows, probably happens to some guys too. Are they going to say anything either? Push for police reports?

My mom asked me recently if this happened while I was in college--I said sure it did, and gave examples. "Why didn't you tell me then," she asks. My answer: "You would have never let me go back to college and kept me locked in the house until I was 21." She laughed nervously and said yes, they would have. I wasn't going to mention this to anyone if the victims did not...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this on another thread, but will post again here:
I believe most of it. I knew two women who were gang raped in similar situations in frats while I was in college; they were not "duped" but sounded like they were incredibly fall-down drunk/stoned. Both became pregnant (which is the only reason I heard about it) and both had people tell them what happened after they realized something was wrong. The guys called it "riding the train" when they referred to the incident. (Not at UVA, by the way, but at schools with large DC-area student bodies.)

Nothing ever happened to the frat guys. Most were fairly wealthy, at least upper middle class as were the girls. The administration knew it was happening and did get security to do sweeps to "round up" the really drunk girls they found outside frat houses and deliver them to a safer place to sober up, so they would be less likely to be victimized. Seriously. Nothing was ever reported to police.

One girl gave the child up for adoption, the other decided to have an abortion. I just assume there were many many other stories I did not hear if the girls did not get pregnant due to: preexisting use of birth control, enough knowledge or bravery to go to the ER for treatment, or just plain luck.

So awful. I'd heard the expression "riding the train" before but until this thread, I never knew what it meant. I assumed it had something to do with consuming copious amounts of beer. Now I really wish that's all it were!

That's one reason I posted the phrase, because I think many people may have heard guys talking about these sorts of incidents "in code" and really have no idea what they actually mean. And, there are usually no reports, no police involved.

At yet in the alleged UVA incident, the alleged victim was sober and, while she purportedly recalled every detail of what happened during her assault, we're not told in an otherwise graphic article whether the alleged perpetrators wore condoms or whether she was sufficiently concerned to have a pregnancy/AIDS/STD test. Yet more reasons reason why the veracity of the account is open to serious question.

Oh yeah and she didn't mention the hole in the ceiling while she was being assaulted and beaten. Maybe she did mention it but the author omitted that factoid.
You are a Bonehead beyond all others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....

http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/

"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."

Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.

Wow you are incorrigible. The article does not say that Jackie will not work with the police. How much does UVa pay you for each time you attack the victim?

You realize that your paranoia and absurd speculation that someone is paying people to comment on a minor anonymous website makes you sound less than debate-worthy, don't you?

I'm not any of the PPs involved in this debate, but I am in the PR profession, and that would not be unusual PR practice!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF? The Charlottesville police have not yet even begun to investigate formally? Who is going to step in first, the state police or Anonymous? Whether you have doubts about the RS article or not, the reputation of the state university is taking a huge hit and there needs to be light on this....

http://time.com/3616263/uva-rape-investigation/

"Police had previously confirmed that UVA President Teresa Sullivan had contacted the department to request a criminal investigation and said they were reviewing a published account of the alleged incident. But police have not yet accumulated enough information to take the matter beyond an inquiry and open a formal investigation."

Because Jackie will not work with police they cannot advance this past an inquiry.

Wow you are incorrigible. The article does not say that Jackie will not work with the police. How much does UVa pay you for each time you attack the victim?

You realize that your paranoia and absurd speculation that someone is paying people to comment on a minor anonymous website makes you sound less than debate-worthy, don't you?

I'm not any of the PPs involved in this debate, but I am in the PR profession, and that would not be unusual PR practice!

^^ PR person posting again. DCUM is indeed influential in the area with UVA's largest applicant pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

At yet in the alleged UVA incident, the alleged victim was sober and, while she purportedly recalled every detail of what happened during her assault, we're not told in an otherwise graphic article whether the alleged perpetrators wore condoms or whether she was sufficiently concerned to have a pregnancy/AIDS/STD test. Yet more reasons reason why the veracity of the account is open to serious question.

You think she's lying because the Rolling Stone article doesn't say whether there were condoms or whether she had pregnancy and STD tests?

If the article did say whether there were condoms and whether she had pregnancy and STD tests, would you believe her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You realize that your paranoia and absurd speculation that someone is paying people to comment on a minor anonymous website makes you sound less than debate-worthy, don't you?

I'm not any of the PPs involved in this debate, but I am in the PR profession, and that would not be unusual PR practice!

I'm not even in the PR profession, and even I know that PR people astroturf, including through comments on websites.

[Anonymous]

As a UVa grad, I will say that nothing in this article surprised me. Shocked and disgusted, yes, but surprised -- unfortunately not.

I don't personally know anyone who was there and was raped (or who has admitted it to me, anyway), but in general the topic of rape was discussed in matter-of-fact, accepting tones, along the lines of: this is an unfortunate but inevitable part of life for many women.

UVa does have a weird, retrograde culture, but I have no doubt that any university that gets a lot of money from certain sources (whether good ol' boy alums or TV sports contracts or what-have-you) goes to great lengths to sweep awful things about them and their interests under the rug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a UVa grad, I will say that nothing in this article surprised me. Shocked and disgusted, yes, but surprised -- unfortunately not.

I don't personally know anyone who was there and was raped (or who has admitted it to me, anyway), but in general the topic of rape was discussed in matter-of-fact, accepting tones, along the lines of: this is an unfortunate but inevitable part of life for many women.

UVa does have a weird, retrograde culture, but I have no doubt that any university that gets a lot of money from certain sources (whether good ol' boy alums or TV sports contracts or what-have-you) goes to great lengths to sweep awful things about them and their interests under the rug.

Like Penn State and what Sandusky did to hundreds of boys. Fucker got away with it for decades because of the image saving-swep it under the rug crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a UVa grad, I will say that nothing in this article surprised me. Shocked and disgusted, yes, but surprised -- unfortunately not.

I don't personally know anyone who was there and was raped (or who has admitted it to me, anyway), but in general the topic of rape was discussed in matter-of-fact, accepting tones, along the lines of: this is an unfortunate but inevitable part of life for many women.

UVa does have a weird, retrograde culture, but I have no doubt that any university that gets a lot of money from certain sources (whether good ol' boy alums or TV sports contracts or what-have-you) goes to great lengths to sweep awful things about them and their interests under the rug.

Like Penn State and what Sandusky did to hundreds of boys. Fucker got away with it for decades because of the image saving-swep it under the rug crap.

Yes, which is why it would be a shame if the hue and cry about this is limited to UVA. It may be worse than average there in some ways, but it's a broader culture problem, not just a UVA culture problem.

[Anonymous]

Rolling Stones just sent out an apology admitting inaccurate reporting in its UVA Rape article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/a-note-to-our-readers-20141205

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a UVa grad, I will say that nothing in this article surprised me. Shocked and disgusted, yes, but surprised -- unfortunately not.

I don't personally know anyone who was there and was raped (or who has admitted it to me, anyway), but in general the topic of rape was discussed in matter-of-fact, accepting tones, along the lines of: this is an unfortunate but inevitable part of life for many women.

UVa does have a weird, retrograde culture, but I have no doubt that any university that gets a lot of money from certain sources (whether good ol' boy alums or TV sports contracts or what-have-you) goes to great lengths to sweep awful things about them and their interests under the rug.

Like Penn State and what Sandusky did to hundreds of boys. Fucker got away with it for decades because of the image saving-swep it under the rug crap.

Yes, which is why it would be a shame if the hue and cry about this is limited to UVA. It may be worse than average there in some ways, but it's a broader culture problem, not just a UVA culture problem.

It ain't a UMD problem. The administration is in control and are normal people.

[Anonymous]

Do you think the RS reporter is one of those every man is a rapist? Maybe she wanted it all to be true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think the RS reporter is one of those every man is a rapist? Maybe she wanted it all to be true.

Confirmation bias is a bitch.