Dad leaves toddler to die in hot car while he plays games on Play Station

[Anonymous]

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I believe it was first degree murder.
Don't think he liked the child.

He is so disgusting. Who uses the word "babe" while a tragic event is happening? Who could text? Who' would be able to stop shaking enough to even hold a phone? Was manipulating her and she's dumb enough to think the idiot is someone special.

You are nuts. Absolutely nuts.

[Anonymous]

The child often seems to look pretty disheveled in photos. I don't think she was getting high quality hands on care often. Mom claimed at the bond hearing that she did not see the kids much.

That she pleaded for him to be released to the home, with the other kids who are also witnesses, is beyond the pale.

I suspect she will have a newborn or be pregnant by the time of the trial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

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There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

Wow you're quite the stellar parent and confident in your abilities to never make a mistake. My kids are past this age, but I definitely left them sleeping in the car a few times to not disturb their naps when they were smaller. I checked in on them regularly but I can definitely fathom someone getting caught up in something and forgetting. There but for the grace of god go we all.

He had a choice not to kill his kid and yet he did. That you will excuse this killer says a lot about you.

That we don't believe the worst in people and give them the benefit of the doubt? That we believe that people can make horrible horrible mistakes and still have qualities that make them worth redemption? Yes, that's all true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

Because he left her in the car intentionally. In the middle of the day, in Arizona, in July, during a record heat wave. And he did that frequently.

I can't get past this. I've lived through an Arizona summer. Intentionally leaving a dog in a parked car on a hot day is a Class 5 felony in Arizona. Who leaves their child in the car unattended, period? I wouldn't leave my child in the car with the air conditioning running in Arizona during the summer to run into Starbucks and pick up a mobile order. Arizona in the summer is like a furnace. There is no defense. It is murder and should be tried as such.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

+1

There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

Wow you're quite the stellar parent and confident in your abilities to never make a mistake. My kids are past this age, but I definitely left them sleeping in the car a few times to not disturb their naps when they were smaller. I checked in on them regularly but I can definitely fathom someone getting caught up in something and forgetting. There but for the grace of god go we all.

No. You were a garbage parent too, just luckier than him. "Protect the nap" at all costs--even the cost of your kid's life, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

+1

There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

The ac does not work as well when the car is not moving. At 109 external temp and in direct sun the temp would have begun to climb immediately, even while the car was running. He left her to die and did not check on her even once in over 3 hours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

+1

There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

Wow you're quite the stellar parent and confident in your abilities to never make a mistake. My kids are past this age, but I definitely left them sleeping in the car a few times to not disturb their naps when they were smaller. I checked in on them regularly but I can definitely fathom someone getting caught up in something and forgetting. There but for the grace of god go we all.

No. You were a garbage parent too, just luckier than him. "Protect the nap" at all costs--even the cost of your kid's life, right?

DP, and I agree about protecting the nap - but I STAY IN THE CAR DURING IT. You can protect the nap while still being responsible and keeping your kid safe. If you’re in the car, you know if it gets too hot and you can actually monitor your child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

+1

There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

Wow you're quite the stellar parent and confident in your abilities to never make a mistake. My kids are past this age, but I definitely left them sleeping in the car a few times to not disturb their naps when they were smaller. I checked in on them regularly but I can definitely fathom someone getting caught up in something and forgetting. There but for the grace of god go we all.

No. You were a garbage parent too, just luckier than him. "Protect the nap" at all costs--even the cost of your kid's life, right?

DP, and I agree about protecting the nap - but I STAY IN THE CAR DURING IT. You can protect the nap while still being responsible and keeping your kid safe. If you’re in the car, you know if it gets too hot and you can actually monitor your child.

"Monitor your child?" And? What if it becomes obvious that the heat is so excessive that your kid will surely die? Just stay and observe the death process?
You can't remove your child if you are protecting the nap!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

+1

There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

Wow you're quite the stellar parent and confident in your abilities to never make a mistake. My kids are past this age, but I definitely left them sleeping in the car a few times to not disturb their naps when they were smaller. I checked in on them regularly but I can definitely fathom someone getting caught up in something and forgetting. There but for the grace of god go we all.

No. You were a garbage parent too, just luckier than him. "Protect the nap" at all costs--even the cost of your kid's life, right?

DP, and I agree about protecting the nap - but I STAY IN THE CAR DURING IT. You can protect the nap while still being responsible and keeping your kid safe. If you’re in the car, you know if it gets too hot and you can actually monitor your child.

"Monitor your child?" And? What if it becomes obvious that the heat is so excessive that your kid will surely die? Just stay and observe the death process?
You can't remove your child if you are protecting the nap!

Yes, I am sure PP’s plan was to watch her kid die in the hot car. Quit being obtuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

+1

There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

Wow you're quite the stellar parent and confident in your abilities to never make a mistake. My kids are past this age, but I definitely left them sleeping in the car a few times to not disturb their naps when they were smaller. I checked in on them regularly but I can definitely fathom someone getting caught up in something and forgetting. There but for the grace of god go we all.

No. You were a garbage parent too, just luckier than him. "Protect the nap" at all costs--even the cost of your kid's life, right?

DP, and I agree about protecting the nap - but I STAY IN THE CAR DURING IT. You can protect the nap while still being responsible and keeping your kid safe. If you’re in the car, you know if it gets too hot and you can actually monitor your child.

"Monitor your child?" And? What if it becomes obvious that the heat is so excessive that your kid will surely die? Just stay and observe the death process?
You can't remove your child if you are protecting the nap!

Yes, I am sure PP’s plan was to watch her kid die in the hot car. Quit being obtuse.

I'm not being obtuse. Either you "protect that nap" at all costs, or you make exceptions in the interest of safety. If you make exceptions in the interest of safety, why not just do the safe thing to do begin with and bring your kid in the house in the first place? What is the point of sitting in the car, roasting yourself and your child for 1/2 an hour, before coming to the obvious conclusion that your child's life is more important than a nap? Quit being a drama queen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You all are harsh. Yes the dad is a forgetful ass, and shouldn't be left alone with children. But I find it hard to make the leap some of you are making that he did this intentionally. There's a gazillion threads on DCUM from women complaining that their DH forgot something or screwed up something about their kid's care. This one had deadly consequences.

+1

There's a long difference between intentional and forgot/got distracted.

She was 2. I have 3 kids ages 2-9 and I can’t imagine not knowing where my toddler is. He still needs very frequent supervision. I could never leave him somewhere out of my eyesight (aside from his crib) on purpose even for just half an hour (because even if he had “only” left her in there for 30 minutes as intended, it was garbage parenting).

This can’t be written off as being merely distracted. He made an intentional decision to leave her in that car alone and go play video games. He didn’t even set a timer or bother to check on her for 3 hours. He made incredibly selfish decisions that killed his child.

“Best case scenario” if this had gone as the dad intended, that poor baby would have been in the car for 30 minutes with the AC running where any number of things could have happened (she wakes up screaming, seat belt entanglement, she figures out how to unbuckle and wanders off, someone snatches her, etc.). He put her in harms way and prioritized video games.

Wow you're quite the stellar parent and confident in your abilities to never make a mistake. My kids are past this age, but I definitely left them sleeping in the car a few times to not disturb their naps when they were smaller. I checked in on them regularly but I can definitely fathom someone getting caught up in something and forgetting. There but for the grace of god go we all.

No. You were a garbage parent too, just luckier than him. "Protect the nap" at all costs--even the cost of your kid's life, right?

DP, and I agree about protecting the nap - but I STAY IN THE CAR DURING IT. You can protect the nap while still being responsible and keeping your kid safe. If you’re in the car, you know if it gets too hot and you can actually monitor your child.

"Monitor your child?" And? What if it becomes obvious that the heat is so excessive that your kid will surely die? Just stay and observe the death process?
You can't remove your child if you are protecting the nap!

Yes, I am sure PP’s plan was to watch her kid die in the hot car. Quit being obtuse.

I'm not being obtuse. Either you "protect that nap" at all costs, or you make exceptions in the interest of safety. If you make exceptions in the interest of safety, why not just do the safe thing to do begin with and bring your kid in the house in the first place? What is the point of sitting in the car, roasting yourself and your child for 1/2 an hour, before coming to the obvious conclusion that your child's life is more important than a nap? Quit being a drama queen.

NP. You quit being a drama queen. What makes you think that anyone is “sitting in the car, roasting yourself and your child”? Where did she say that? Why do you assume she means on a hot day with the car off and windows rolled up?

[Anonymous]

This is pretty shocking.

https://www.kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigators-half-sister-of-2-year-old-killed-in-hot-car-speaks-out-in/article_58aec574-4e11-11ef-bcad-87ff66e3522a.html

[Anonymous]

If I had a husband that left our kids in the car while he played video games, we would not be married for very long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty shocking.

https://www.kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigators-half-sister-of-2-year-old-killed-in-hot-car-speaks-out-in/article_58aec574-4e11-11ef-bcad-87ff66e3522a.html

Wow. That is shocking. And so sad.

I totally relate to feeling overwhelmed by my kids and I often feel like I can’t handle my own kids.

But that drives me to either build stronger support networks (babysitters/camp/nannies) OR over rely on lazy parenting strategies (like screens/snacks/containment within the house).

I really can’t understand the strategy of locking them in the car. It just makes zero sense. Like give them an iPad and contain them in a portion of the house. Not ideal but it’s fine. The car just doesn’t make ANY sense to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty shocking.

https://www.kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigators-half-sister-of-2-year-old-killed-in-hot-car-speaks-out-in/article_58aec574-4e11-11ef-bcad-87ff66e3522a.html

I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but he is an actual POS.