Coalition4TJ’s request to block TJ admissions process DENIED 6-3 by Supreme Court

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2) Furthermore, it is self-evident that they do so with the express purpose of advancing one racial group's acceptances to a publicly-funded institution of higher learning - the 133 offers that they claimed and annotated in the Class of 2024 was equivalent to about 75% of the South Asian population of that class. This statistic only furthers the disgusting narrative that Asian - and specifically Indian - students are only at TJ because their parents paid for expensive prep, when in fact it's likely that a large majority of those students would have been very strong candidates for TJ Admissions even without the impact of the money their parents spent.

There were 133 offers, but there clearly weren't 133 kids actually attending TJ. Many were offered admissions to AOS or AET in addition to TJ, and probably at least some chunk of the 133 offers were LCPS kids who got in off of the wait list after other LCPS kids turned down TJ for AOS or AET. Curie is of course going to inflate its numbers to promote its program.

Does anyone have the demographics for the kids applying to TJ from LCPS? Is it a mix of all races and SES, or is it almost entirely UMC/wealthy South Asians? If the latter, Curie is likely not a factor at all in admissions.

Asians generally account for 70% of Loudoun applicants and 90-95% of Loudoun offers. Given the ethnic balance of the Asian population in Loudoun, it is safe to assume that these are almost entirely South Asians.

But it is worth remembering that before the 2025s, Loudoun was not guaranteed a single seat - they merely had a cap. In most years before about the class of 2018, they did not reach their cap. So yes, Curie absolutely had an impact on the admissions process. Without it, Loudoun may very well have had significantly fewer TJ students and cost Loudoun taxpayers far less money as each student costs about 17-18K.

TJ would be better off without the Loudoun students taking FCPS seats. They are a lot of the preppers from Curie.

Spread lies about a group. Repeat, repeat, till many people believe it is true. Demonize the group. Target them. Well done TJ Progressives. Nice playbook. Did you borrow it from somewhere?

It is a good playbook for us socialists.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

Once the prep centers started offering classes to game this test the results would be suspect. We need to do better and ensure all students just not those who can afford prep have a fair shot at these programs.

See. It's people that don't get in causing the drama and the never-ending fights.

I know! So what if people can buy the test? They paid good money for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

Great solution. FCPS can't handle TJ besides, TJ does not belong to Fairfax but to all the participating jurisdictions. No taxation without representation.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

Once the prep centers started offering classes to game this test the results would be suspect. We need to do better and ensure all students just not those who can afford prep have a fair shot at these programs.

See. It's people that don't get in causing the drama and the never-ending fights.

I know! So what if people can buy the test? They paid good money for it.

#fakenews

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

Once the prep centers started offering classes to game this test the results would be suspect. We need to do better and ensure all students just not those who can afford prep have a fair shot at these programs.

See. It's people that don't get in causing the drama and the never-ending fights.

I know! So what if people can buy the test? They paid good money for it.

#fakenews

Like Varsity Blues? I hear white parents are good at it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

How convenient that those are the areas where their students tend to excel.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the only way,

Yes!

Anonymous wrote:but the best way.

LOL, no, sweetie...

Anonymous wrote:This is how the entire world does this -

No.

Anonymous wrote:by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Also no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Standardized exams are good for determining who is good at taking standardized exams and not much else. There are very few areas where you can make a career out of being good at standardized exams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not the only way,

Yes!

Anonymous wrote:but the best way.

LOL, no, sweetie...

Anonymous wrote:This is how the entire world does this -

No.

Anonymous wrote:by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Also no.

NAILED IT

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Don’t worry. This applies only to groups without sufficient political influence such Asians.

And look how the Asians target groups with even less political influence, such as the URM’s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Don’t worry. This applies only to groups without sufficient political influence such Asians.

And look how the Asians target groups with even less political influence, such as the URM’s

Blacks and Hispanics have much more political power.