Coalition4TJ’s request to block TJ admissions process DENIED 6-3 by Supreme Court

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the only way,

Yes!

Anonymous wrote:but the best way.

LOL, no, sweetie...

Anonymous wrote:This is how the entire world does this -

No.

Anonymous wrote:by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Also no.

https://www.insider.com/standardized-tests-around-the-world-2018-9#in-mexico-theres-an-emphasis-on-standardized-testing-8

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Standardized exams are good for determining who is good at taking standardized exams and not much else. There are very few areas where you can make a career out of being good at standardized exams.

I see, so the Bar Exam, Medical Boards, CPA exam, etc. should be dropped (or test optional).

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The ABA might drop the LSAT. No joke. I would assume that bar exams are next.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Standardized exams are good for determining who is good at taking standardized exams and not much else. There are very few areas where you can make a career out of being good at standardized exams.

I see, so the Bar Exam, Medical Boards, CPA exam, etc. should be dropped (or test optional).

We are talking about kids and not adults

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Standardized exams are good for determining who is good at taking standardized exams and not much else. There are very few areas where you can make a career out of being good at standardized exams.

I see, so the Bar Exam, Medical Boards, CPA exam, etc. should be dropped (or test optional).

We are talking about kids and not adults

also PUBLIC education which should be available to all not just those who pay for expensive pep classes which is what you seem to want

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

After all, that's what you're paying for, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

From reading these posts, you'd think the programs offer refunds if the kids aren't admitted to TJ. One senses it's really the dedication and hard work of some students that offends PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

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Anonymous wrote:From reading these posts, you'd think the programs offer refunds if the kids aren't admitted to TJ. One senses it's really the dedication and hard work of some students that offends PP.

Not in the least. What offends PP is the idea that these expensive prep programs promote themselves as being so successful in getting kids into TJ that they become almost a pre-requisite in parents' minds. It produces a chilling effect on families that either don't have the money and time or don't want to spend the money and time in order to do the prep class, and makes them less interested in TJ as a consequence - which reduces the caliber of the student population.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

Just to be clear the Asian kids in these prep classes are only competing with other Asian kids. They don't need the prep to compete with others. Not because they are smarter but most non-Asians just don't care that much. Of course you know all that. That's why the focus was not to create a non-standard test but to just eliminiate it. Only way to win the game is to just remove the hoop. Diversity was also not the goal - because there were other ways to do that while keeping the test. It was just to divide and rule and some white parents getting their kids a 26% leg up.

....what in the world are you talking about? They're not competing with other Asian kids. It's not like the previous process was limited to Asian kids - they represented a little more than 50% of the application pool and that's all.

Creating a non-standardized test that isn't vetted by multiple outlets is extremely problematic for a public school. That's not an option because it is too easy to attack on legal grounds.

What other ways do you suggest for improving diversity while keeping the test? Racial quotas are expressly unconstitutional.

And where in the world do you get 26% from? Poor Asians benefited far more from the admissions changes than white, Black, or Hispanic students.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Standardized exams are good for determining who is good at taking standardized exams and not much else. There are very few areas where you can make a career out of being good at standardized exams.

I see, so the Bar Exam, Medical Boards, CPA exam, etc. should be dropped (or test optional).

I didn't know these tests were used to unlock public school opportunities.

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Don't know about all this but defining merit in terms of a test that many people simply buy seems to favor the wealthy and unscrupulous.

Hard to see how a less objective approach will be more scrupulous. It’s ripe with the potential for abuse and ultimately will be gamed even more by those who learn how to play the Oppression Olympics.

When we shell out $10K for TJ prep, we deserve those spots!

After all, that's what you're paying for, isn't it?

Exactly! That's the American way. You people are a bunch of commonists!

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Why does one need to trump the other? Both matter. Or maybe put another way, almost every agrees with the idea of equality of opportunity on the face of it, but that alone is not enough. When you have sustained unequal outcomes for large chunks of the population over time then it's a pretty good indicator that what seems like equal opportunity on its face very probably has some underlying systemic bias or inequality and you probably need to think a layer deeper than "BuT tHeY aLl TaKe ThE sAmE tEsT!!!"

Exactly. As always, conservatives and those who champion their causes always major in defining the terms of the argument, and in this case, the attempt is to claim that academic merit can only be achieved through standardized exam scores or through performance in academic competitions.

Not the only way, but the best way. This is how the entire world does this - by a standardized test that everyone takes and then they are ranked against each other.

Standardized exams are good for determining who is good at taking standardized exams and not much else. There are very few areas where you can make a career out of being good at standardized exams.

I see, so the Bar Exam, Medical Boards, CPA exam, etc. should be dropped (or test optional).

We are talking about kids and not adults

also PUBLIC education which should be available to all not just those who pay for expensive pep classes which is what you seem to want

100% right