Coalition4TJ’s request to block TJ admissions process DENIED 6-3 by Supreme Court

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2) Furthermore, it is self-evident that they do so with the express purpose of advancing one racial group's acceptances to a publicly-funded institution of higher learning - the 133 offers that they claimed and annotated in the Class of 2024 was equivalent to about 75% of the South Asian population of that class. This statistic only furthers the disgusting narrative that Asian - and specifically Indian - students are only at TJ because their parents paid for expensive prep, when in fact it's likely that a large majority of those students would have been very strong candidates for TJ Admissions even without the impact of the money their parents spent.

There were 133 offers, but there clearly weren't 133 kids actually attending TJ. Many were offered admissions to AOS or AET in addition to TJ, and probably at least some chunk of the 133 offers were LCPS kids who got in off of the wait list after other LCPS kids turned down TJ for AOS or AET. Curie is of course going to inflate its numbers to promote its program.

Does anyone have the demographics for the kids applying to TJ from LCPS? Is it a mix of all races and SES, or is it almost entirely UMC/wealthy South Asians? If the latter, Curie is likely not a factor at all in admissions.

Asians generally account for 70% of Loudoun applicants and 90-95% of Loudoun offers. Given the ethnic balance of the Asian population in Loudoun, it is safe to assume that these are almost entirely South Asians.

But it is worth remembering that before the 2025s, Loudoun was not guaranteed a single seat - they merely had a cap. In most years before about the class of 2018, they did not reach their cap. So yes, Curie absolutely had an impact on the admissions process. Without it, Loudoun may very well have had significantly fewer TJ students and cost Loudoun taxpayers far less money as each student costs about 17-18K.

TJ would be better off without the Loudoun students taking FCPS seats. They are a lot of the preppers from Curie.

[Anonymous]

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2) Furthermore, it is self-evident that they do so with the express purpose of advancing one racial group's acceptances to a publicly-funded institution of higher learning - the 133 offers that they claimed and annotated in the Class of 2024 was equivalent to about 75% of the South Asian population of that class. This statistic only furthers the disgusting narrative that Asian - and specifically Indian - students are only at TJ because their parents paid for expensive prep, when in fact it's likely that a large majority of those students would have been very strong candidates for TJ Admissions even without the impact of the money their parents spent.

There were 133 offers, but there clearly weren't 133 kids actually attending TJ. Many were offered admissions to AOS or AET in addition to TJ, and probably at least some chunk of the 133 offers were LCPS kids who got in off of the wait list after other LCPS kids turned down TJ for AOS or AET. Curie is of course going to inflate its numbers to promote its program.

Does anyone have the demographics for the kids applying to TJ from LCPS? Is it a mix of all races and SES, or is it almost entirely UMC/wealthy South Asians? If the latter, Curie is likely not a factor at all in admissions.

Asians generally account for 70% of Loudoun applicants and 90-95% of Loudoun offers. Given the ethnic balance of the Asian population in Loudoun, it is safe to assume that these are almost entirely South Asians.

But it is worth remembering that before the 2025s, Loudoun was not guaranteed a single seat - they merely had a cap. In most years before about the class of 2018, they did not reach their cap. So yes, Curie absolutely had an impact on the admissions process. Without it, Loudoun may very well have had significantly fewer TJ students and cost Loudoun taxpayers far less money as each student costs about 17-18K.

TJ would be better off without the Loudoun students taking FCPS seats. They are a lot of the preppers from Curie.

Spread lies about a group. Repeat, repeat, till many people believe it is true. Demonize the group. Target them. Well done TJ Progressives. Nice playbook. Did you borrow it from somewhere?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

If you are paying attention you’d know the progressives are the ones most invested in maintaining TJHSST with a more geographically and racially diverse student body. They want to have a magnet school that demonstrates that when barriers of racism and classism are reduced, elite institutions throughout American society will look more like the TJ they’ve created. That is their “Dream” and why they are so committed to a “better” TJ.

It’s actually the pragmatists who’ve seen years of fighting over TJ, accompanied by the neglect of so many other schools in FCPS, who have come to the conclusion that it’s become too much of a diversion. It’s not that we are anti-merit, but rather that we’re tired of watching the far-left and far-right fight with each other and suck all the oxygen out of the room. We would rather have FCPS pay more attention to the 97% of kids not at TJ, many of whom deserve better from FCPS when it comes to recognizing their merit and cultivating their talents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2) Furthermore, it is self-evident that they do so with the express purpose of advancing one racial group's acceptances to a publicly-funded institution of higher learning - the 133 offers that they claimed and annotated in the Class of 2024 was equivalent to about 75% of the South Asian population of that class. This statistic only furthers the disgusting narrative that Asian - and specifically Indian - students are only at TJ because their parents paid for expensive prep, when in fact it's likely that a large majority of those students would have been very strong candidates for TJ Admissions even without the impact of the money their parents spent.

There were 133 offers, but there clearly weren't 133 kids actually attending TJ. Many were offered admissions to AOS or AET in addition to TJ, and probably at least some chunk of the 133 offers were LCPS kids who got in off of the wait list after other LCPS kids turned down TJ for AOS or AET. Curie is of course going to inflate its numbers to promote its program.

Does anyone have the demographics for the kids applying to TJ from LCPS? Is it a mix of all races and SES, or is it almost entirely UMC/wealthy South Asians? If the latter, Curie is likely not a factor at all in admissions.

Asians generally account for 70% of Loudoun applicants and 90-95% of Loudoun offers. Given the ethnic balance of the Asian population in Loudoun, it is safe to assume that these are almost entirely South Asians.

But it is worth remembering that before the 2025s, Loudoun was not guaranteed a single seat - they merely had a cap. In most years before about the class of 2018, they did not reach their cap. So yes, Curie absolutely had an impact on the admissions process. Without it, Loudoun may very well have had significantly fewer TJ students and cost Loudoun taxpayers far less money as each student costs about 17-18K.

TJ would be better off without the Loudoun students taking FCPS seats. They are a lot of the preppers from Curie.

Actually, it’s the opposite. Fairfax kids has been taking spots from other jurisdictions for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Don’t worry. This applies only to groups without sufficient political influence such Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

Unfortunately the progressives believe that all meritocracy is elitist and should be abandoned.

When there is a belief that equality of outcome trumps equality of opportunity, you are ringing the death knell of any meritocracy. And that does not auger well for the American Dream. But that is the New American Dream of our esteemed Progressives. If they can’t have it, nobody else can have it.

Actually, it's the regressive who believe merit can be purchased with $$$ and only want faux meritocracy that can be gamed by the wealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

Once the prep centers started offering classes to game this test the results would be suspect. We need to do better and ensure all students just not those who can afford prep have a fair shot at these programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

Once the prep centers started offering classes to game this test the results would be suspect. We need to do better and ensure all students just not those who can afford prep have a fair shot at these programs.

See. It's people that don't get in causing the drama and the never-ending fights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

Once the prep centers started offering classes to game this test the results would be suspect. We need to do better and ensure all students just not those who can afford prep have a fair shot at these programs.

This is why PP's proposal that TJ admissions be simplified so that only those scoring highest on a "really hard test" are accepted will not be adopted.

The left wants to keep TJ open but fight constantly about giving others a "fair shot" (i.e., they want a never-ending dialogue about "equity" and the power to allocate seats to TJ like ward bosses in Chicago allocated city jobs and contracts).

The bickering will never end until the adults in the room take stock of the situation and end the "magnet" program at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just you wait till the next elections.

Savor ‘victory’ till then. The progressives will be the Democrats’ Achilles Heel. TJ is but a skirmish in the bigger battle to ensure schools are focused on education not virtue signaling.

Youngkin should just go ahead and set up the "Regional Governing Board" consisting of reps from all the participating jurisdictions (which is how TJ should be governed) which he is able to do under the current statute and put the control in that body instead of the FCPS.

And FCPS should take back its school and make it local. I'm fine if there's no TJ.

Some would be bummed. It is aspirational but the majority would be better off without it since it takes up a lot of time and resources that would be better spend on everyone instead of a few wealthy kids who will do fine anywhere since their parents will see to it.

I don’t support continuing with TJHSST under the approach adopted by the School Board in 2020. It relies on the fiction that FCPS - already a massive, inefficient system - can replicate the equivalent of a sophisticated SLAC’s admission department and still address the needs of the 200 other schools in FCPS. That will never happen, so better to face the music now and wind TJHSST down than do further damage to the school and to the system as a whole.

Strange take.

Right. Because the narcissists at TJ actually love the never-ending fights over who goes there to be the center of attention. It makes you feel more important, never mind the neglect of other schools and issues.

Well, how about everyone take a really hard test and the top scorers get in. That would end the fight from those who got in. The fight has always been from those who didn't get in. Always.

Once the prep centers started offering classes to game this test the results would be suspect. We need to do better and ensure all students just not those who can afford prep have a fair shot at these programs.

This is why PP's proposal that TJ admissions be simplified so that only those scoring highest on a "really hard test" are accepted will not be adopted.

The left wants to keep TJ open but fight constantly about giving others a "fair shot" (i.e., they want a never-ending dialogue about "equity" and the power to allocate seats to TJ like ward bosses in Chicago allocated city jobs and contracts).

The bickering will never end until the adults in the room take stock of the situation and end the "magnet" program at TJ.

Agree and the right also wants to keep admissions easily gamable by those who can afford to buy the test from the prep centers.