Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

[Anonymous]

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You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Just tell them to click on the following websites through a computer or phone.

https://artofproblemsolving.com/

https://www.khanacademy.org/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Just tell them to click on the following websites through a computer or phone.

https://artofproblemsolving.com/

https://www.khanacademy.org/

How exactly would those 5th graders know alphabet ?
If not, how exactly would they click on a link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

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Why do you use the word "ugly" truth - sounds pretty racist to me - like code words "toxic environment" used when there are too many Indians or South Asians etc...

There is nothing ugly about the USA benefitting from the top graduates of the best universities of the most populous countries of the world coming to our neighborhoods and contributing to the success of public sector IT or hospitals or local corporations. It is an incredible (and mostly free) benefit to the average citizen in America and that is why congress made the laws to encourage this. To do a bait and switch on their children and oppress their children is what is the ugly racism imposed on these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ugly truth that everyone seems to be dancing around is that the South Asian population in NoVA strongly skews toward highly intelligent, highly motivated families who are in the area specifically to perform skilled STEM jobs. It's unsurprising that their kids are going to likewise be highly intelligent and STEM oriented, and thus be "overrepresented" at elite STEM schools. The Whites, AAs, Hispanics, and even East Asians in FCPS are much more representative of their races as a whole. The South Asians in FCPS/LCPS are not at all representative of all South Asians.

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Why do you use the word "ugly" truth - sounds pretty racist to me - like code words "toxic environment" used when there are too many Indians or South Asians etc...

There is nothing ugly about the USA benefitting from the top graduates of the best universities of the most populous countries of the world coming to our neighborhoods and contributing to the success of public sector IT or hospitals or local corporations. It is an incredible (and mostly free) benefit to the average citizen in America and that is why congress made the laws to encourage this. To do a bait and switch on their children and oppress their children is what is the ugly racism imposed on these people.

You misunderstand. I'm saying it's not reasonable to expect South Asians to be represented in a way corresponding to their share of the population. In any fair process that looks purely at the kids' merit, the South Asian kids ought to be "overrepresented," since only the elites are in the DC area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Just tell them to click on the following websites through a computer or phone.

https://artofproblemsolving.com/

https://www.khanacademy.org/

How exactly would those 5th graders know alphabet ?
If not, how exactly would they click on a link?

What device will these kids use to look at those websites?

Who is telling them about these websites?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

[Anonymous]

^ and it's unrealistic to expect that a bright 5th grader would even know about AoPS on his/her own

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do Jews attend tj or not really?

There aren't that many Jews in Northern Virginia - especially compared to in Montgomery County, MD.

[Anonymous]

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What device will these kids use to look at those websites?

Who is telling them about these websites?

DP. They can do a google search. All of the kids know how to do that.

It probably isn't happening, but AARTs, 5th and 6th grade AAP teachers, Young Scholars leaders, and middle school advisors should be passing along self-enrichment information to lower income kids who are showing motivation or potential. That's something FCPS surely could fix if it is not already doing so. It's very akin to the free SAT prep resources. If FCPS isn't pointing lower income kids toward those resources, it is failing.

How many kids in the county do you think lack devices? Of those kids, how many are at schools providing 1-1 laptops or tablets that the kids could use at home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

So your shifting the goal post and not using the excuse of not having time for volunteering anymore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ and it's unrealistic to expect that a bright 5th grader would even know about AoPS on his/her own

If you say so, let’s let them know now. Problem solved!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What strikes me, while reading through this thread, is that we are all fighting over a scare resource: a high quality high school for high achieving students. Why aren't other high schools able to offer a rigorous course load? I had wonderful opportunities in school and I'm disappointed that my kids don't have access to things like that. Where you live shouldn't mean you're stuck in basic classes throughout high school.

There ARE many high-end opportunities in high schools across Fairfax County - especially in affluent areas.

The overwhelming interest in TJ stems largely from its prestige, and many of the families who are fighting over that resource live in communities where the delta between opportunities at TJ and their base school is far smaller than the delta between those opportunities in the communities that they're trying to keep out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You're right, but frequently the students who have the most success in these competitions are those whose families have paid for extra help or prep work in these areas. It always comes back to parents using their resources to boost their kids - and there's nothing wrong with them doing that; they just need to do it without the expectation that it's going to get them into elite schools, because if those resources confer a huge advantage on to a student, you have a classist process.

AOPS has a free, very active forum and a ton of free resources for any motivated kids. Even if a kid is economically disadvantaged, at some point the kid needs to proactively do something to prove merit, much like the slew of economically disadvantaged Asian kids who still have the chops to get accepted into Stuyvesant each year.

How exactly would 5th graders from ED families know about AOPS?

Are you suggesting Asians are privileged to know about a public website or have designed an algorithm to prevent other races from knowing?

I'm suggesting that wealthy and/or informed families are more likely to:
- know about AoPS
- have a computer that the kid can use
- encourage the kids to use it
- answer questions the kid may have

Doesn’t fcps offer laptops to students? What’s the next excuse?

[Anonymous]

I just did a google search for "free math".
Khan academy was one of the first sites listed. It's honestly not that complicated.