Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have any of you people who are rushing to judgment of this young man considered that by putting all the focus on him you are possibly providing cover for a real perpetrator- if there is one -

Somewhere earlier someone posted that 2 people were found killed in Moab around the same time that Gabby & Brian were there and that the same coffee shop that they hung out in ( likely for the WiFi ) was linked to those 2 people as well.

I think Gabby will turn up , but if she did meet with foul play, I’d bet it was at the hands of a Ted Bundy type who witnessed her spat with her bf, saw how impaired she was - pretty girls do attract a lot of eyes, you know , and decided to wait his opportunity to show up and offer her a ride or something

Because that’s how people disappear- it’s not always the BF people and it sounds like his parents are just looking out for their kid

ok. But that still doesn't explain why he left her there and drove all the way home with not a word to her family that HE LEFT HER THERE and likely needed their help in some form or fashion. There is also no reason for him to be silent on her last location or what happened if he simply left. Innocent people don't act guilty. As a PP stated, he went from loving her to lawyering up real fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s my theory with lots of holes in it:

He killed the newlywed couple the night after the fight when he was in the hotel room alone and Gabby was in the van. Motive not clear. He freaked out about it and made up some excuse to get out of the area ASAP so the deaths couldn’t be traced back to him. For some reason he flies back to Utah and picks up Gabby and they hightail it out of town and head to the Tetons. Gabby somehow finds out what he did and he kills her and takes off in her van.

Far fetched, but whether he killed the newlyweds or not I feel like their deaths are somehow connected to Gabby’s disappearance.

The hotel he was in probably has some surveillance or way to substantiate his movements that night working from the exact time stamp of the body cam footage so I would expect they could arrest him pretty quickly on those charges if so. Personally I think it’s a long shot, means, motive, opportunity? The potential type of crimes here are very different.

[Anonymous]

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Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Is this how you would treat your friends, spouse or children? Would you be ok if that happened to you or someone you love? I frankly wouldn't want to spend a second with you incase something freakish happened to me knowing you are more concerned with yourself and wouldn't tell my family and leave me missing. Crazy stuff happens to people all the time and don't evade police because they are innocent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime

He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.

Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Also, she was clearly unstable. Her family was too---it's BEYOND weird that they allowed their mentally ill, hysterical daughter to continue to travel alone with her boyfriend. Any of us would be on a plane and headed out there the day after that phone call.
I wonder if he and his family knew very well what they were dealing with (unstable girl, weird family) and lawyered up asap knowing that even something benign would not work itself with these people involved.


All that to say that we have no idea what happened.
-he killed her
-she committed suicide
-she had an accident
-she died from the elements
-a third person killed her.

Innocent until proven guilty. It may sound like I'm defending him but I just HATE it when people assume it's the man. Has to be the man. No trial, no jury. He's guilty. That's now how the legal system works, thank goodness.

You are 100% defending him and blaming the victim. She's crazy, right? Her family is crazy. But, he's not at all. Not for driving a van alone without ever saying that she disappeared. He has zero responsibility? Why didn't he leave the van if she died from the elements, was killed by a crazy stalker or randomly jumped off a cliff in a fit of desperation? I stand by comment that is a despicable person and did not at all do the right thing.

[Anonymous]

Interesting how we are blaming her for having a mental illness and causing her own disappearance and her family sucks and should have come to get her. She's an adult, they can't force her to come home and she had the time to move beyond the area where she called them last from so how were they going to find her exactly?

BF has culpability in her disappearance at a minimum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have any of you people who are rushing to judgment of this young man considered that by putting all the focus on him you are possibly providing cover for a real perpetrator- if there is one -

Somewhere earlier someone posted that 2 people were found killed in Moab around the same time that Gabby & Brian were there and that the same coffee shop that they hung out in ( likely for the WiFi ) was linked to those 2 people as well.

I think Gabby will turn up , but if she did meet with foul play, I’d bet it was at the hands of a Ted Bundy type who witnessed her spat with her bf, saw how impaired she was - pretty girls do attract a lot of eyes, you know , and decided to wait his opportunity to show up and offer her a ride or something

Because that’s how people disappear- it’s not always the BF people and it sounds like his parents are just looking out for their kid

Because when you hear hooves, it's most likely horses. Not zebras. The boyfriend is the horse here. Sure, a zebra is POSSIBLE, but unlikely.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone wondered if this could be a publicity stunt? She wanted to be an influencer and was really into the morbid podcast. Hmmm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime

He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.

Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Also, she was clearly unstable. Her family was too---it's BEYOND weird that they allowed their mentally ill, hysterical daughter to continue to travel alone with her boyfriend. Any of us would be on a plane and headed out there the day after that phone call.
I wonder if he and his family knew very well what they were dealing with (unstable girl, weird family) and lawyered up asap knowing that even something benign would not work itself with these people involved.


All that to say that we have no idea what happened.
-he killed her
-she committed suicide
-she had an accident
-she died from the elements
-a third person killed her.

Innocent until proven guilty. It may sound like I'm defending him but I just HATE it when people assume it's the man. Has to be the man. No trial, no jury. He's guilty. That's now how the legal system works, thank goodness.

You are 100% defending him and blaming the victim. She's crazy, right? Her family is crazy. But, he's not at all. Not for driving a van alone without ever saying that she disappeared. He has zero responsibility? Why didn't he leave the van if she died from the elements, was killed by a crazy stalker or randomly jumped off a cliff in a fit of desperation? I stand by comment that is a despicable person and did not at all do the right thing.

NP

S/he is 100% not blaming her and defending him. She is more reasonable than the “the boyfriend did it! Absolutely!” nitwits that are plentiful on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Guilty is as Guilty does

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have any of you people who are rushing to judgment of this young man considered that by putting all the focus on him you are possibly providing cover for a real perpetrator- if there is one -

Somewhere earlier someone posted that 2 people were found killed in Moab around the same time that Gabby & Brian were there and that the same coffee shop that they hung out in ( likely for the WiFi ) was linked to those 2 people as well.

I think Gabby will turn up , but if she did meet with foul play, I’d bet it was at the hands of a Ted Bundy type who witnessed her spat with her bf, saw how impaired she was - pretty girls do attract a lot of eyes, you know , and decided to wait his opportunity to show up and offer her a ride or something

Because that’s how people disappear- it’s not always the BF people and it sounds like his parents are just looking out for their kid

You don't find it weird that he returned home in HER vehicle to their joint residence with his parents, and no one said - well where is she??!! Why didn't his parents contact hers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone wondered if this could be a publicity stunt? She wanted to be an influencer and was really into the morbid podcast. Hmmm.

Yes, there are a few posts upthread to that effect but I don’t think anyone would do that to their family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parents ask him where she was when he arrived home without her in her vehicle, considering she lived with them/him? This is all sorts of shady.

What makes you think they didn't?

Of course they did, which is why they hired a lawyer.

The decent thing to do would be to alert her parents!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Is this how you would treat your friends, spouse or children? Would you be ok if that happened to you or someone you love? I frankly wouldn't want to spend a second with you incase something freakish happened to me knowing you are more concerned with yourself and wouldn't tell my family and leave me missing. Crazy stuff happens to people all the time and don't evade police because they are innocent.

People fall to their deaths in national parks with some frequency and bystanders and family members are not charged with murder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Playing devil's advocate - considering that he had flown to FL just a few weeks ago, why would he drive back without her knowing it would lead to a MILLION questions if he did kill her?

I'm not saying he didn't - and I'm CERTAINLY not saying she wasn't a victim of something, I mean that video says it all - but it's not like he thought he could just go back in their van and people would be like, "oh no Gabby? Cool."

He simply followed legal advice of the lawyer his parents hired

Lots of people reading into his actions and making all kinds of assumptions including that Gabby is Brian’s victim

Gabby quit her job, accepted a marriage proposal from a man who also has no job, became homeless with him and continued living out of a vehicle with him even after violence had broken out and she acknowledged to police that she was suffering from mental health issues

Yet, no responsibility for her predicament can be attached to her - or her parents - instead, ALL of the blame must be placed on the head of her same age bf

Only because she has disappeared.

They were traveling together - he was responsible for her, and she was responsible for him. If she had shown up at home without him, with his cellphone etc. etc., and she had lawyered up, the reverse would be getting discussed right now.

At the very least he needs to tell her parents what he can about her whereabouts. He's not. Bottom line. Instead, he's silent, he has her cellphone and her vehicle, and he's lawyered up. These are the actions of a guilty man, and not someone who dropped her off in the nearest town and left her there.

Hopefully she's still alive and will eventually turn up. We can only hope.

Where did you read this? I haven't seen this detail anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime

He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.

Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Also, she was clearly unstable. Her family was too---it's BEYOND weird that they allowed their mentally ill, hysterical daughter to continue to travel alone with her boyfriend. Any of us would be on a plane and headed out there the day after that phone call.
I wonder if he and his family knew very well what they were dealing with (unstable girl, weird family) and lawyered up asap knowing that even something benign would not work itself with these people involved.


All that to say that we have no idea what happened.
-he killed her
-she committed suicide
-she had an accident
-she died from the elements
-a third person killed her.

Innocent until proven guilty. It may sound like I'm defending him but I just HATE it when people assume it's the man. Has to be the man. No trial, no jury. He's guilty. That's now how the legal system works, thank goodness.

You are 100% defending him and blaming the victim. She's crazy, right? Her family is crazy. But, he's not at all. Not for driving a van alone without ever saying that she disappeared. He has zero responsibility? Why didn't he leave the van if she died from the elements, was killed by a crazy stalker or randomly jumped off a cliff in a fit of desperation? I stand by comment that is a despicable person and did not at all do the right thing.

NP

S/he is 100% not blaming her and defending him. She is more reasonable than the “the boyfriend did it! Absolutely!” nitwits that are plentiful on this thread.

+1000

Finally, there are a few other voices of reason in this thread beyond the “torches and pitchforks” brigade, seemly determined to lynch Brian without a trial.

Where is this mob-mentality coming from? Is it from some twisted, knee-jerk reaction to “support women” by ignoring facts?