Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how we are blaming her for having a mental illness and causing her own disappearance and her family sucks and should have come to get her. She's an adult, they can't force her to come home and she had the time to move beyond the area where she called them last from so how were they going to find her exactly?

BF has culpability in her disappearance at a minimum.

Np. As an adult you have to take responsibility for your mental illness. You medicate or get therapy. They weren’t married. If they were I’d say he has some responsibility to get her help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting how we are blaming her for having a mental illness and causing her own disappearance and her family sucks and should have come to get her. She's an adult, they can't force her to come home and she had the time to move beyond the area where she called them last from so how were they going to find her exactly?

BF has culpability in her disappearance at a minimum.

Np. As an adult you have to take responsibility for your mental illness. You medicate or get therapy. They weren’t married. If they were I’d say he has some responsibility to get her help.

He took her vehicle and drove home. Um....

[Anonymous]

Wonder what this would look like, perfectly reversed?

What if she showed up home, lawyered up, and he was missing??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime

He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.

Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Also, she was clearly unstable. Her family was too---it's BEYOND weird that they allowed their mentally ill, hysterical daughter to continue to travel alone with her boyfriend. Any of us would be on a plane and headed out there the day after that phone call.
I wonder if he and his family knew very well what they were dealing with (unstable girl, weird family) and lawyered up asap knowing that even something benign would not work itself with these people involved.


All that to say that we have no idea what happened.
-he killed her
-she committed suicide
-she had an accident
-she died from the elements
-a third person killed her.

Innocent until proven guilty. It may sound like I'm defending him but I just HATE it when people assume it's the man. Has to be the man. No trial, no jury. He's guilty. That's now how the legal system works, thank goodness.

You are 100% defending him and blaming the victim. She's crazy, right? Her family is crazy. But, he's not at all. Not for driving a van alone without ever saying that she disappeared. He has zero responsibility? Why didn't he leave the van if she died from the elements, was killed by a crazy stalker or randomly jumped off a cliff in a fit of desperation? I stand by comment that is a despicable person and did not at all do the right thing.

NP

S/he is 100% not blaming her and defending him. She is more reasonable than the “the boyfriend did it! Absolutely!” nitwits that are plentiful on this thread.

+1000

Finally, there are a few other voices of reason in this thread beyond the “torches and pitchforks” brigade, seemly determined to lynch Brian without a trial.

Where is this mob-mentality coming from? Is it from some twisted, knee-jerk reaction to “support women” by ignoring facts?

Well the only “facts” are they were traveling together, and he drove back to Florida with her vehicle and, some reports say, her cellphone and other personal belongings, and not her. So…. Those facts are pretty damning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime

He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.

Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Also, she was clearly unstable. Her family was too---it's BEYOND weird that they allowed their mentally ill, hysterical daughter to continue to travel alone with her boyfriend. Any of us would be on a plane and headed out there the day after that phone call.
I wonder if he and his family knew very well what they were dealing with (unstable girl, weird family) and lawyered up asap knowing that even something benign would not work itself with these people involved.


All that to say that we have no idea what happened.
-he killed her
-she committed suicide
-she had an accident
-she died from the elements
-a third person killed her.

Innocent until proven guilty. It may sound like I'm defending him but I just HATE it when people assume it's the man. Has to be the man. No trial, no jury. He's guilty. That's now how the legal system works, thank goodness.

You are 100% defending him and blaming the victim. She's crazy, right? Her family is crazy. But, he's not at all. Not for driving a van alone without ever saying that she disappeared. He has zero responsibility? Why didn't he leave the van if she died from the elements, was killed by a crazy stalker or randomly jumped off a cliff in a fit of desperation? I stand by comment that is a despicable person and did not at all do the right thing.

NP

S/he is 100% not blaming her and defending him. She is more reasonable than the “the boyfriend did it! Absolutely!” nitwits that are plentiful on this thread.

+1000

Finally, there are a few other voices of reason in this thread beyond the “torches and pitchforks” brigade, seemly determined to lynch Brian without a trial.

Where is this mob-mentality coming from? Is it from some twisted, knee-jerk reaction to “support women” by ignoring facts?

Well the only “facts” are they were traveling together, and he drove back to Florida with her vehicle and, some reports say, her cellphone and other personal belongings, and not her. So…. Those facts are pretty damning.

Damning under what legal standard? They have not even arrested him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder what this would look like, perfectly reversed?

What if she showed up home, lawyered up, and he was missing??

You mean if she had his car, and his phone, and had texted his mom pretending to be him? People would be like, “where the f—k is Brian, and why are you stonewalling the police? If he was safe when you last saw him, then tell us exactly where that was.” And she would seem shady as hell if she didn’t give that information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are gonna be embarrassed when this young woman , who is an adult , shows up

PP’s who pointed out that if this were some AA girl it wouldn’t be a media frenzy have a dead on point

Lastly, to the PP who keeps insisting that they can just tell from Brian’s body language and manner of speaking h that “ he is an abuser “ - did you even watch the whole tape ? Because I saw a nervous, kinda weird guy but I also saw him - when the cop said Gabby was going to have to spend the night in jail as she was the assailant and , as a result, could not be put in the hotel shelter - I saw him ask if he could just be the one to use the jail cell instead of her and let her have the van

Putting her first, putting her welfare first even after she caused the whole scene and the cops having to pull them over

THAT is a young man doing the right thing. My guess is eventually he had had enough and listened to his parents and came home

Not a crime

He is not doing the right thing by not even saying when/where he last saw her. I don't care what anyone says about lawyers. I would rather go to jail than not say what happened to my husband to help an investigation. I would want a lawyer present, for sure. As the mother of boys there is no way I would let my kid live with me if they couldn't have the basic decency to do this. Not a role model, pp.

Let's say that she died by falling off a cliff (or jumping). If I'm him, there's no way on earth I'm telling the police that for fear of them assuming I killed her. I'd get home to mom/dad ASAP and ask them what to do next. He knew there is police video that shows them arguing. He's a sitting duck for being blamed for her death, whether or not he caused it. I don't think his "lawyering up" shows anything about his guilt or lack of guilt.

Also, she was clearly unstable. Her family was too---it's BEYOND weird that they allowed their mentally ill, hysterical daughter to continue to travel alone with her boyfriend. Any of us would be on a plane and headed out there the day after that phone call.
I wonder if he and his family knew very well what they were dealing with (unstable girl, weird family) and lawyered up asap knowing that even something benign would not work itself with these people involved.


All that to say that we have no idea what happened.
-he killed her
-she committed suicide
-she had an accident
-she died from the elements
-a third person killed her.

Innocent until proven guilty. It may sound like I'm defending him but I just HATE it when people assume it's the man. Has to be the man. No trial, no jury. He's guilty. That's now how the legal system works, thank goodness.

You are 100% defending him and blaming the victim. She's crazy, right? Her family is crazy. But, he's not at all. Not for driving a van alone without ever saying that she disappeared. He has zero responsibility? Why didn't he leave the van if she died from the elements, was killed by a crazy stalker or randomly jumped off a cliff in a fit of desperation? I stand by comment that is a despicable person and did not at all do the right thing.

NP

S/he is 100% not blaming her and defending him. She is more reasonable than the “the boyfriend did it! Absolutely!” nitwits that are plentiful on this thread.

+1000

Finally, there are a few other voices of reason in this thread beyond the “torches and pitchforks” brigade, seemly determined to lynch Brian without a trial.

Where is this mob-mentality coming from? Is it from some twisted, knee-jerk reaction to “support women” by ignoring facts?

Well the only “facts” are they were traveling together, and he drove back to Florida with her vehicle and, some reports say, her cellphone and other personal belongings, and not her. So…. Those facts are pretty damning.

You can't be serious. Damming of what? That he's a crappy boyfriend/person? Yes. That he committed murder? There is ZERO proof of this.
He (and every American) is innocent until proven guilty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s my theory with lots of holes in it:

He killed the newlywed couple the night after the fight when he was in the hotel room alone and Gabby was in the van. Motive not clear. He freaked out about it and made up some excuse to get out of the area ASAP so the deaths couldn’t be traced back to him. For some reason he flies back to Utah and picks up Gabby and they hightail it out of town and head to the Tetons. Gabby somehow finds out what he did and he kills her and takes off in her van.

Far fetched, but whether he killed the newlyweds or not I feel like their deaths are somehow connected to Gabby’s disappearance.

So now you are accusing this 23 year old who has no criminal record and comes from a loving and supportive family of armed double murder .

Just wow

Where was he supposed to have gotten the gun and the ammo ?

You’d rather believe this about a 23 year old than consider that whoever killed the Lesbian couple was likely an anti-social loner , who was camping in the desert and was triggered by seeing 2 lesbians together…maybe followed them to the cafe and that is where he spotted Gabby as Gabby was throwing a fit

23 year old with no record / comes from good family vs loner camping in the bush and YOU peg the 23 year old ????

Don’t quit your day job

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder what this would look like, perfectly reversed?

What if she showed up home, lawyered up, and he was missing??

If he had just admitted on film to physically assaulting her? I think people would assume he was in a bender. However, men are much more likely to murder a partner than the reverse so it’s stupid to ignore that.

[Anonymous]

This is such an interesting case. Most of the cases people are citing here (Lacey Peterson, Chris Watts etc) were married, in the depths of little-kid parenting, affairs, etc. This couple seemed generally happy, were young and had the means to do what they were doing etc.

My theory is that anyone who does this kind of crap (ooooh let's go out on the road without responsibilities, we are free spirited, let's have a blog!) are naive and sheltered. I think she's dead (agree she'd have surfaced by now) but I'm not sure he did it intentionally. I agree with the above theories that maybe she freaked and ran and he drove a bit to teach her a lesson, came back and she was gone, or she hitchhiked with the wrong person, ran into whoever that other couple did (really? He killed THEM, upthread PP? that's ridiculous IMO, he's not a serial killer), accidentally fell, etc. I'm guessing he freaked and ran back to his parents to lawyer up.

Without her body he won't get charged. Has her family been pleading for help publicly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s my theory with lots of holes in it:

He killed the newlywed couple the night after the fight when he was in the hotel room alone and Gabby was in the van. Motive not clear. He freaked out about it and made up some excuse to get out of the area ASAP so the deaths couldn’t be traced back to him. For some reason he flies back to Utah and picks up Gabby and they hightail it out of town and head to the Tetons. Gabby somehow finds out what he did and he kills her and takes off in her van.

Far fetched, but whether he killed the newlyweds or not I feel like their deaths are somehow connected to Gabby’s disappearance.

So now you are accusing this 23 year old who has no criminal record and comes from a loving and supportive family of armed double murder .

Just wow

Where was he supposed to have gotten the gun and the ammo ?

You’d rather believe this about a 23 year old than consider that whoever killed the Lesbian couple was likely an anti-social loner , who was camping in the desert and was triggered by seeing 2 lesbians together…maybe followed them to the cafe and that is where he spotted Gabby as Gabby was throwing a fit

23 year old with no record / comes from good family vs loner camping in the bush and YOU peg the 23 year old ????

Don’t quit your day job

I don’t agree with first PP but wow…are you for real? It’s some phantom “loner” hiding in the bushes that killed Gabby instead of the fiancé who showed up a few days later with her car and not giving a single f**k about her whereabouts? Mmkay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such an interesting case. Most of the cases people are citing here (Lacey Peterson, Chris Watts etc) were married, in the depths of little-kid parenting, affairs, etc. This couple seemed generally happy, were young and had the means to do what they were doing etc.

My theory is that anyone who does this kind of crap (ooooh let's go out on the road without responsibilities, we are free spirited, let's have a blog!) are naive and sheltered. I think she's dead (agree she'd have surfaced by now) but I'm not sure he did it intentionally. I agree with the above theories that maybe she freaked and ran and he drove a bit to teach her a lesson, came back and she was gone, or she hitchhiked with the wrong person, ran into whoever that other couple did (really? He killed THEM, upthread PP? that's ridiculous IMO, he's not a serial killer), accidentally fell, etc. I'm guessing he freaked and ran back to his parents to lawyer up.

Without her body he won't get charged. Has her family been pleading for help publicly?

I personally think he killed her, but the bolded scenario reminds me so much of the Mad Men episode with Don and Megan Draper at the Howard Johnson’s that now I can’t get it out of my head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any of you people who are rushing to judgment of this young man considered that by putting all the focus on him you are possibly providing cover for a real perpetrator- if there is one -

Somewhere earlier someone posted that 2 people were found killed in Moab around the same time that Gabby & Brian were there and that the same coffee shop that they hung out in ( likely for the WiFi ) was linked to those 2 people as well.

I think Gabby will turn up , but if she did meet with foul play, I’d bet it was at the hands of a Ted Bundy type who witnessed her spat with her bf, saw how impaired she was - pretty girls do attract a lot of eyes, you know , and decided to wait his opportunity to show up and offer her a ride or something

Because that’s how people disappear- it’s not always the BF people and it sounds like his parents are just looking out for their kid

Because when you hear hooves, it's most likely horses. Not zebras. The boyfriend is the horse here. Sure, a zebra is POSSIBLE, but unlikely.

Exactly, there was a double armed homicide in the exact vicinity where a loner was reported acting weird at a campsite ( horse hooves )

This perp might have seen Gabby while he was stalking his Lesbian target ( horse hoove )

But, wait ….who is this guy Gabby is scratching in the face and hitting, who says he loves her , wants to marry her and refuses to press charges …he must be the killer of all 3 ( Zebra )

The proof - because his parents hired a good lawyer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such an interesting case. Most of the cases people are citing here (Lacey Peterson, Chris Watts etc) were married, in the depths of little-kid parenting, affairs, etc. This couple seemed generally happy, were young and had the means to do what they were doing etc.

My theory is that anyone who does this kind of crap (ooooh let's go out on the road without responsibilities, we are free spirited, let's have a blog!) are naive and sheltered. I think she's dead (agree she'd have surfaced by now) but I'm not sure he did it intentionally. I agree with the above theories that maybe she freaked and ran and he drove a bit to teach her a lesson, came back and she was gone, or she hitchhiked with the wrong person, ran into whoever that other couple did (really? He killed THEM, upthread PP? that's ridiculous IMO, he's not a serial killer), accidentally fell, etc. I'm guessing he freaked and ran back to his parents to lawyer up.

Without her body he won't get charged. Has her family been pleading for help publicly?

I personally think he killed her, but the bolded scenario reminds me so much of the Mad Men episode with Don and Megan Draper at the Howard Johnson’s that now I can’t get it out of my head.

Well…I definitely agree that all of these complicated, unlikely scenarios seem straight out of a TV show.

In the real world, when a man or woman dies violently, it’s the spouse/partner most of the time.

[Anonymous]

A TikTok user claimed that she picked up Brian Laundrie, the boyfriend of missing woman Gabby Petito, while he was hiking alone in Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming in late August.

In a video on TikTok published Friday, a user by the name of Miranda Baker said on August 29 she and her boyfriend picked up Brian Laundrie, who she said was hiking alone in Grand Teton National Park at 5:30 p.m.

The TikTok is posted on this page - listen to it. She sounds very credible to me, with a detailed story. She says they've talked to the authorities. I hope this the break in the case.

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/gabby-petito-disappearance-tiktok-user-claims-she-picked-up-bian-laundrie-hiking-in-grand-teton-national-park