Texit It is real!

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So now we listen to such talk with an ear that says maybe we should think about the unthinkable. I had that notion during the Thursday night Zoom session in which state Rep. Kyle Biedermann, R-Fredericksburg, announced that on Tuesday he will file legislation calling for a statewide vote on Texas secession from the United States...

... The movement calls itself Texit, like Brexit, the successful effort that led the United Kingdom out of the European Union. Texit, like Brexit, is a peaceful political movement, its leaders said on the call. But on the margins, in the chat, some of the talk was about a call to arms should the U.S. seek to stop secession:

Don’t get me wrong. I stand with you guys. I want to help. But I’m saying that war is inevitable here. We have to be ready to fight for this.”

“As a disabled veteran, if there was a snowball’s chance in hell of combat, Texas veterans WILL decide individually, but I guarantee there are millions that are willing to literally fight back. YES, I will go.”
We will build a military when it’s time. In the meantime, a guerrilla group like Vietnam.”

“Do not worry about invasion, we have 10 million Texans who own guns.”

And this: “How is Texit even possible when all of TX major cities are heavily blue and entirely controlled by zionist-globalist usury gangsters.”

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/columns/2021/01/22/herman-texas-secession-and-chatter-war-united-states/6669855002/

I say let them go. Withdraw all federal assets, stop social security payment and Medicare coverage the new residents of the republic of Texas. See you later!

And businesses will need to speak up too. They will get screwed by this.

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Anonymous wrote:Given the state of oil in the future, Texas really doesn't have a lot to offer, other than Austin. If they think this through and really want to go, so be it.

Texas, like California, could easily be its own country. But there are plenty of reasons why they won't and shouldn't.

LOL How long would it take for the US government to overthrow the Texas Republic and install a friendly government...given that Texas has oil?

We don't have to overthrow you. We'll just keep control of US territorial waters and your oil economy would collapse, no shots fired. While you're waiting, enjoy 17 weeks of Cowboys vs. Texans.

There won't be an oil economy in a few years, and if you don't think VA, PA, NJ and CA don't have enough capacity to handle the next decade, then you aren't very knowledgeable.

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From an academic standpoint this could be fun. What are the laws regarding secession? I

There is no Constitutional provision for a state to secede from the union.

So does that mean it's expressly forbidden? Because that sounds like saying "there's no agreement in our marriage to do this." But the marriage is so bad at this point that it seems like it might make a whole lot more sense for the parties to agree to an amicable divorce due to irreconcilable differences. The NYT had a headline yesterday about Republicans who joined the impeachment vote facing severe backlash. Another article a week or two ago somewhere else said many were remaining quiet because they feared for their lives. Congress has essentially been paralyzed for years.

We could have ironclad separation of church and state, free and widely available contraception, bans on gun ownership, free basic healthcare for all with QALY limits and optional premium private plans, a higher minimum wage, cheaper public universities and a slew of trade/apprenticeship programs starting in high school, strong environmental protection...

They could have mandatory prayer in schools, vouchers, a total ban on contraception and abortion, free and open carry everywhere, privatized everything, no minimum wage, no environmental protection laws...they could even have Trump as their king if they want!

People could just sell their property and move to the country they liked better during an interim transition period. After that, immigration laws would apply.

Just wondering. Explain to me why this is a really bad idea.

Over time, the Secessionist states would become more desperate and thus more beligerent, so there would be a war at some point. Also, there would need to be negotiated passage corridors - 10 mile buffer around each interstate highway and rail line to ensure east and west coast of the US could still travel freely to each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Explain to me why this is a really bad idea.

On my mind would be that repealing environmental and OSHA regulations would be at the top of their agenda.

They already have lax enforcement for their massive petrochemical industry. From 2008 to 2018, Texas' state budget increased 41 percent. But during that time of increase, they cut their pollution monitoring budget from $578 million to $374 million.

The problem is, they wouldn't be poisoning only themselves for fun and profit. Air and water pollution doesn't stop at their borders.

I can't imagine what they'd dump into the Gulf of Mexico and pump into the air, but I can imagine that they would invite all the worst industries in with promises of no regulations, along with importing toxic waste to incinerate and bury. And new nuke plants? Hell, yes.

Houston is already the armpit of America. These yahoos would turn Texas into a toxic wasteland.

And then they would be forced to live with it, or die off as would surely happen.

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"If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede." -Antonin Scalia

This conversation is stupid, but if they really feel that strongly about it they can go for round 2. Otherwise this is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Explain to me why this is a really bad idea.

On my mind would be that repealing environmental and OSHA regulations would be at the top of their agenda.

They already have lax enforcement for their massive petrochemical industry. From 2008 to 2018, Texas' state budget increased 41 percent. But during that time of increase, they cut their pollution monitoring budget from $578 million to $374 million.

The problem is, they wouldn't be poisoning only themselves for fun and profit. Air and water pollution doesn't stop at their borders.

I can't imagine what they'd dump into the Gulf of Mexico and pump into the air, but I can imagine that they would invite all the worst industries in with promises of no regulations, along with importing toxic waste to incinerate and bury. And new nuke plants? Hell, yes.

Houston is already the armpit of America. These yahoos would turn Texas into a toxic wasteland.

And then they would be forced to live with it, or die off as would surely happen.

The point is that borders don't contain pollution, and the theoretical "Republic of Texas" would delight in shunning environmental norms and international treaties.

See greenhouse gas emissions and climate change.

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I really would be ok losing the trumpers. Can we put them into some section of the South or West and let them have at it with their stupidity?

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Texas has 18 US military bases and provide for jobs for thousands Texans. All bases would be closed, no jobs. No FEMA for hurricanes. I just another right nut plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that with new energy technology finally catching on and bio alternatives to petrochemicals becoming more mainstream, oil is basically like the DVD player of energy technology - a lot of people still have them but probably won't in a few years.

Their "national" industry is becoming obsolete no matter how hard they dig in their heels.

Who are you talking to?

All these posters who seem to know very little about Texas. But think they know everything.

Ok, what knowledge do you have to refute this?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention that with new energy technology finally catching on and bio alternatives to petrochemicals becoming more mainstream, oil is basically like the DVD player of energy technology - a lot of people still have them but probably won't in a few years.

Their "national" industry is becoming obsolete no matter how hard they dig in their heels.

Who are you talking to?

All these posters who seem to know very little about Texas. But think they know everything.

Are you trying to suggest that Texas is not dependent on the oil and gas industry?

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I live outside of Houston in one of the most conservative counties and no nobody is talking about this because it's not real. Texas isn't leaving. Full stop.

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They can go and rope in a few other states that worship Trump while they're at it. And fly the Trump flag. We saw just about as many Trump flags as American flags at the Jan 6 riot, so that's where the allegiance really lies. Their economy will suck as most industries will want to remain with the United States. And when things really get ugly, they can sneak across the border illegally for jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I live outside of Houston in one of the most conservative counties and no nobody is talking about this because it's not real. Texas isn't leaving. Full stop.

This, 100%
It seems that every once in a while Texas gets spun up and threatens to leave. No one is going anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I live outside of Houston in one of the most conservative counties and no nobody is talking about this because it's not real. Texas isn't leaving. Full stop.

This, 100%
It seems that every once in a while Texas gets spun up and threatens to leave. No one is going anywhere.

Texas has always had one foot in and one foot out. The biggest security breach of the US government originated in Texas. It’s not a coincidence. Texans loyalty to the US is not even questionable it is non existent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live outside of Houston in one of the most conservative counties and no nobody is talking about this because it's not real. Texas isn't leaving. Full stop.

This, 100%
It seems that every once in a while Texas gets spun up and threatens to leave. No one is going anywhere.

Texas has always had one foot in and one foot out. The biggest security breach of the US government originated in Texas. It’s not a coincidence. Texans loyalty to the US is not even questionable it is non existent.

They are Texans first. Several years ago a colleague asked if a coworker and I were both from the south because "you two have the same accent." He was sooooo offended and huffed "I'm am from Texas, I have a Texas accent, she is from South Carolina, she has a Southern accent, Texans are not Southerners, we are Texans!"