UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court

[Anonymous]

Just imagine if they did this in Virginia. It means your high schoolers’ hardwork is meaningless. It means if you have a bright kid, they may not get into UVA.

[Anonymous]

I may enroll my student in an international university for some kind of unique and unicorn course. Everything is DL and so he can do two degrees in parallel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine if they did this in Virginia. It means your high schoolers’ hardwork is meaningless. It means if you have a bright kid, they may not get into UVA.

I don't think so. Bright kids will be doing accelerated course work in HS, no? He will be taking APs and IBs. He will have scholastic achievements to show. If you have saved money and can pay for college - UVA will no longer be a reach, especially since International Students are not coming and need based scholarships will be cut down. The schools are going to fight for the UMC high achieving kids. I feel race will not play a role and Asian-American UMC high achieving students will find less discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Meh. My kid will do well like Amazon in this pandemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10 APs was the norm. Now it is going to be 15 or so. I can imagine everyone taking envio and human geography.

the whole point of the lawsuit is about access to a state service. If you don't think the next step is to overlay a map of schools with large AP offering on a demographic or economic map you're insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just imagine if they did this in Virginia. It means your high schoolers’ hardwork is meaningless. It means if you have a bright kid, they may not get into UVA.

I don't think so. Bright kids will be doing accelerated course work in HS, no? He will be taking APs and IBs. He will have scholastic achievements to show. If you have saved money and can pay for college - UVA will no longer be a reach, especially since International Students are not coming and need based scholarships will be cut down. The schools are going to fight for the UMC high achieving kids. I feel race will not play a role and Asian-American UMC high achieving students will find less discrimination.

do you think the state will give UVA permission to raise instate tuition any time soon?

[Anonymous]

From LA Times article
Mark Rosenbaum, LA attorney:

“Rosenbaum said he and his team targeted only the UC system to efficiently manage the case but that the court’s reasoning should apply to all colleges and universities, both public and private, across the country.”

And:

“If other universities don’t follow, we’ll come after them as well,” he said, adding that he would be conferring with civil and disability rights advocates in other states.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If only admissions officers had a way to know who the good students are without needing a test score... something like knowledge of the schools and the trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations, plus their instincts, which would come with the many years of organizational and personal experience that clearly none of them have...

...oh well, I guess they are now doomed to admit entire classes of unworthy idiots while the truly worthy are denied!

/endsarcasm

You clearly don't know anything about schools in CA to make this statement.

Yes, they know which are "high achieving" schools. And they are mostly white/Asian.

" trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations" - as if guidance recommendations don't have bias.

"instincts" - as if that person who is reviewing the applications don't have any bias

Yes, if they do away with any type of measurable test scores, then what you will see is either more unqualified students attending or less URM being admitted. Look at what happened after Prop 209.

One at a time:

You clearly don't know anything about schools in CA to make this statement.

My point was that admissions officer DO.

Yes, they know which are "high achieving" schools. And they are mostly white/Asian.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

" trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations" - as if guidance recommendations don't have bias.

EVERYTHING has bias. Adcoms know who can be trusted and they have data to show which kids from which HS do well at their campus upon which to base this. You act like it is a white box each year. It isn't.

"instincts" - as if that person who is reviewing the applications don't have any bias

OF COURSE they have bias. It's called their objectives in building a class, it is how it is done, and it is impossible to do any other way. Think of the silliness of your objection: "Can you believe the person making the choice has preferences and objectives? The nerve!

[Anonymous]

This is why the US education system doesn’t have rigor anymore.

Courts and lawyers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From LA Times article
Mark Rosenbaum, LA attorney:

“Rosenbaum said he and his team targeted only the UC system to efficiently manage the case but that the court’s reasoning should apply to all colleges and universities, both public and private, across the country.”

And:

“If other universities don’t follow, we’ll come after them as well,” he said, adding that he would be conferring with civil and disability rights advocates in other states.”

I figured as much.

But, the decision rests on the facts of accommodation testing not being available. These facts may differ in other states, where fall test dates are much, much more likely to happen than in California.

I haven't seen the affidavits/testimony, but there would need to be no test dates available for the accommodation testers all the way through December, no? UCs take the December test date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From LA Times article
Mark Rosenbaum, LA attorney:

“Rosenbaum said he and his team targeted only the UC system to efficiently manage the case but that the court’s reasoning should apply to all colleges and universities, both public and private, across the country.”

And:

“If other universities don’t follow, we’ll come after them as well,” he said, adding that he would be conferring with civil and disability rights advocates in other states.”

they sued under California state law, most states don't go nearly as far regarding equal access. They could try federal law, but they're is already a large body of precedent regarding permissible considerations for college admission

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why the US education system doesn’t have rigor anymore.

Courts and lawyers.

rigor compared to where? Last time I looked, Stanford, Harvard, MIT, Cal Tech were as good as if not better than any other schools in the world

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From LA Times article
Mark Rosenbaum, LA attorney:

“Rosenbaum said he and his team targeted only the UC system to efficiently manage the case but that the court’s reasoning should apply to all colleges and universities, both public and private, across the country.”

And:

“If other universities don’t follow, we’ll come after them as well,” he said, adding that he would be conferring with civil and disability rights advocates in other states.”

they sued under California state law, most states don't go nearly as far regarding equal access. They could try federal law, but they're is already a large body of precedent regarding permissible considerations for college admission

Thoughts on CA privates? Wouldn't CA ADA apply to them as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From LA Times article
Mark Rosenbaum, LA attorney:

“Rosenbaum said he and his team targeted only the UC system to efficiently manage the case but that the court’s reasoning should apply to all colleges and universities, both public and private, across the country.”

And:

“If other universities don’t follow, we’ll come after them as well,” he said, adding that he would be conferring with civil and disability rights advocates in other states.”

they sued under California state law, most states don't go nearly as far regarding equal access. They could try federal law, but they're is already a large body of precedent regarding permissible considerations for college admission

Good to know, thank you!

[Anonymous]

There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.