UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

If this is true, this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It's no wonder our country is going down the toilet.

Really? That's the reason? HS grading policies during a pandemic?

For the record, I also disagree with the grading policy if this is true, I just dislike your hyperbole as it is not helpful in any way.

Yes, really.

I have a hard time believing that this is actually true, but if it is - 50% of high schoolers have straight As?? There is NO WAY that 50% of this country's children are that smart. Sorry.

And, in that case, my hyperbole is meant to point out that this is symbolic of the culture we have created - everybody's great! everybody wins! everybody deserves what the other person has! - that is sending our country down the toilet.

Sorry if you don't think that is helpful.

Yet I’m sure you think your kid is a genius who deserves straight As, but “those kids” don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:AP Scores are even more correlated with wealth IME than SATs. Why not attack the LSAT, MCAT, PARCC, PSAT, DAT, GRE?
I don’t get the test-haters!

bumping this - those who are anti sat/act...have they answered this?

If anything sat/act track weath less than AP/IB!

PSAT is meaningless except for NMSF, so no one will argue those either way.

PARCC testing everyone hates for well established reasons.

Most others are Grad school tests and not comparable.

How do poor minorities do on the MCAT? Crickets...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

I have a senior, who basically fits into the above. I'm fine with the decision and not worried at all.

And, no that's not your son's only option. There are a ton of wonderful CSU's. I know because I went to one of them. I landed better than my BFF, who did engineering at a top UC. It's not a given, just like the A's you're worried about.

Finally, let your kid decide. My kid could go private or elite, but wants a big state school (outside of CA) because he loves college football.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

If this is true, this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It's no wonder our country is going down the toilet.

Really? That's the reason? HS grading policies during a pandemic?

For the record, I also disagree with the grading policy if this is true, I just dislike your hyperbole as it is not helpful in any way.

Yes, really.

I have a hard time believing that this is actually true, but if it is - 50% of high schoolers have straight As?? There is NO WAY that 50% of this country's children are that smart. Sorry.

And, in that case, my hyperbole is meant to point out that this is symbolic of the culture we have created - everybody's great! everybody wins! everybody deserves what the other person has! - that is sending our country down the toilet.

Sorry if you don't think that is helpful.

Yet I’m sure you think your kid is a genius who deserves straight As, but “those kids” don’t.

Nope. Not at all. You get what you get based on the quality of your work and ability to adhere to the class requirements. Life lesson.

There is no world in which I could be considered a snowplow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

I have a senior, who basically fits into the above. I'm fine with the decision and not worried at all.

And, no that's not your son's only option. There are a ton of wonderful CSU's. I know because I went to one of them. I landed better than my BFF, who did engineering at a top UC. It's not a given, just like the A's you're worried about.

Finally, let your kid decide. My kid could go private or elite, but wants a big state school (outside of CA) because he loves college football.

I think the “taking classes ($$) and prepping for years“ is A REASON why the UCs are eliminating it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

If this is true, this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It's no wonder our country is going down the toilet.

Really? That's the reason? HS grading policies during a pandemic?

For the record, I also disagree with the grading policy if this is true, I just dislike your hyperbole as it is not helpful in any way.

Yes, really.

I have a hard time believing that this is actually true, but if it is - 50% of high schoolers have straight As?? There is NO WAY that 50% of this country's children are that smart. Sorry.

And, in that case, my hyperbole is meant to point out that this is symbolic of the culture we have created - everybody's great! everybody wins! everybody deserves what the other person has! - that is sending our country down the toilet.

Sorry if you don't think that is helpful.

Yet I’m sure you think your kid is a genius who deserves straight As, but “those kids” don’t.

Nope. Not at all. You get what you get based on the quality of your work and ability to adhere to the class requirements. Life lesson.

There is no world in which I could be considered a snowplow.

All the kids who got As adhered to their class requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

If this is true, this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It's no wonder our country is going down the toilet.

Really? That's the reason? HS grading policies during a pandemic?

For the record, I also disagree with the grading policy if this is true, I just dislike your hyperbole as it is not helpful in any way.

Yes, really.

I have a hard time believing that this is actually true, but if it is - 50% of high schoolers have straight As?? There is NO WAY that 50% of this country's children are that smart. Sorry.

And, in that case, my hyperbole is meant to point out that this is symbolic of the culture we have created - everybody's great! everybody wins! everybody deserves what the other person has! - that is sending our country down the toilet.

Sorry if you don't think that is helpful.

Yet I’m sure you think your kid is a genius who deserves straight As, but “those kids” don’t.

Nope. Not at all. You get what you get based on the quality of your work and ability to adhere to the class requirements. Life lesson.

There is no world in which I could be considered a snowplow.

All the kids who got As adhered to their class requirements.

You're being obtuse. Or you lack reading comprehension or critical thinking skills.

PP said I think my kid is a genius and deserves As over other kids. And I explained why that is not true.

That said, I will go back to my original point: if the class requirements are so low that everyone is getting As? Well...

We know where that is leading us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

This will cause more colleges to require remedial classes to help students who got an "A" in English in HS but clearly can only write at a 5th grade level. Acceptances will become almost like a lottery, and admitting those students who cannot hack it in higher level institutions will hurt everyone.. These students should be going to community colleges for remedial classes, then transferring to 4 yr universities. By no means do I think that we should not help these kids, but pushing them into situations in which they are not prepared for is doing everyone a disservice.

They should replace the SATs with something else, like maybe a test like cogat or something.

If only admissions officers had a way to know who the good students are without needing a test score... something like knowledge of the schools and the trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations, plus their instincts, which would come with the many years of organizational and personal experience that clearly none of them have...

...oh well, I guess they are now doomed to admit entire classes of unworthy idiots while the truly worthy are denied!

/endsarcasm

Have you experienced big public school guidance counseling?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

If this is true, this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It's no wonder our country is going down the toilet.

Really? That's the reason? HS grading policies during a pandemic?

For the record, I also disagree with the grading policy if this is true, I just dislike your hyperbole as it is not helpful in any way.

Yes, really.

I have a hard time believing that this is actually true, but if it is - 50% of high schoolers have straight As?? There is NO WAY that 50% of this country's children are that smart. Sorry.

And, in that case, my hyperbole is meant to point out that this is symbolic of the culture we have created - everybody's great! everybody wins! everybody deserves what the other person has! - that is sending our country down the toilet.

Sorry if you don't think that is helpful.

Yet I’m sure you think your kid is a genius who deserves straight As, but “those kids” don’t.

Nope. Not at all. You get what you get based on the quality of your work and ability to adhere to the class requirements. Life lesson.

There is no world in which I could be considered a snowplow.

All the kids who got As adhered to their class requirements.

You might think so, but you'd be unpleasantly surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

I have a senior, who basically fits into the above. I'm fine with the decision and not worried at all.

And, no that's not your son's only option. There are a ton of wonderful CSU's. I know because I went to one of them. I landed better than my BFF, who did engineering at a top UC. It's not a given, just like the A's you're worried about.

Finally, let your kid decide. My kid could go private or elite, but wants a big state school (outside of CA) because he loves college football.

Hey, I went to a CSU too, and do better financially than my friends who went to UCLA and Berkley, but I think I'm an outlier. In general, kids who go to those vaunted UCs schools do better career wise because of the name recognition.

That said, the elimination of SATs doesn't bother me at all. There are other ways for high achieving students to shine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

If this is true, this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. It's no wonder our country is going down the toilet.

Really? That's the reason? HS grading policies during a pandemic?

For the record, I also disagree with the grading policy if this is true, I just dislike your hyperbole as it is not helpful in any way.

Yes, really.

I have a hard time believing that this is actually true, but if it is - 50% of high schoolers have straight As?? There is NO WAY that 50% of this country's children are that smart. Sorry.

And, in that case, my hyperbole is meant to point out that this is symbolic of the culture we have created - everybody's great! everybody wins! everybody deserves what the other person has! - that is sending our country down the toilet.

Sorry if you don't think that is helpful.

Yet I’m sure you think your kid is a genius who deserves straight As, but “those kids” don’t.

Nope. Not at all. You get what you get based on the quality of your work and ability to adhere to the class requirements. Life lesson.

There is no world in which I could be considered a snowplow.

All the kids who got As adhered to their class requirements.

You might think so, but you'd be unpleasantly surprised.

You might be unpleasantly surprised at your own kids. But you think they’re so damn special!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

I have a senior, who basically fits into the above. I'm fine with the decision and not worried at all.

And, no that's not your son's only option. There are a ton of wonderful CSU's. I know because I went to one of them. I landed better than my BFF, who did engineering at a top UC. It's not a given, just like the A's you're worried about.

Finally, let your kid decide. My kid could go private or elite, but wants a big state school (outside of CA) because he loves college football.

Hey, I went to a CSU too, and do better financially than my friends who went to UCLA and Berkley, but I think I'm an outlier. In general, kids who go to those vaunted UCs schools do better career wise because of the name recognition.

That said, the elimination of SATs doesn't bother me at all. There are other ways for high achieving students to shine.

Or you’re an outlier because the rest of the kids at CSUs are not as motivated as you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

I have a senior, who basically fits into the above. I'm fine with the decision and not worried at all.

And, no that's not your son's only option. There are a ton of wonderful CSU's. I know because I went to one of them. I landed better than my BFF, who did engineering at a top UC. It's not a given, just like the A's you're worried about.

Finally, let your kid decide. My kid could go private or elite, but wants a big state school (outside of CA) because he loves college football.

Hey, I went to a CSU too, and do better financially than my friends who went to UCLA and Berkley, but I think I'm an outlier. In general, kids who go to those vaunted UCs schools do better career wise because of the name recognition.

That said, the elimination of SATs doesn't bother me at all. There are other ways for high achieving students to shine.

Or you’re an outlier because the rest of the kids at CSUs are not as motivated as you.

Isn't that really the same thing that I said? But, I don't think that's true. Many CSU kids are motivated, but their opportunities starting from graduation are a lot more limited because they don't have the bigger named companies recruiting there. I got a job straight out of college, but it was with a small no-name company. I only managed to get where I am due to moving, switching to a more lucrative field, and some luck. The path to get to the "top" (whatever that means) is just easier if you go to a more prestigious school, and that's pretty universal.

[Anonymous]

This is going to help privates like Santa Clara, LMU, USF that give merit aid that ends up being the prices of UCs anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is going to help privates like Santa Clara, LMU, USF that give merit aid that ends up being the prices of UCs anyway.

Help them by attracting more high-scoring kids with meh GPAs? (Perfect. Two of those were already on my kid's list for that reason. Maybe we should just avoid CA altogether.)