UCs forbidden to use SAT and ACT in admissions by court

[Anonymous]

I am curious about the impact on students and aid. CA public universities are already suffering under an utterly unrealistic pension system. I wonder if this will reduce public support?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

We are same. Middle class “donut hole” California family. All these changes are really worrying me. Plus on the November ballot there will be a prop to bring back affirmative action. We’re Asian so I really feel penalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

the fact that you can spend years (and pay years worth of fees) to do better on the test was the one of the bases of the lawsuit. Maybe not at the top end, and not 100%, but the SATs have become a reflection of a students ability and means to prepare to take the SATs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the impact on students and aid. CA public universities are already suffering under an utterly unrealistic pension system. I wonder if this will reduce public support?

Many people hate the College Board and other organizations like it and consider them parasitic and detrimental to the actual learning process. This will swing in both directions WRT support. Also, the UCs did not choose this, so why would someone blame them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the impact on students and aid. CA public universities are already suffering under an utterly unrealistic pension system. I wonder if this will reduce public support?

Many people hate the College Board and other organizations like it and consider them parasitic and detrimental to the actual learning process. This will swing in both directions WRT support. Also, the UCs did not choose this, so why would someone blame them?

People do hate the college board, true, but there is also a growing sense that the public university system in CA (which used to be great) is only concerned with paying bloated administrators and servicing pensions, and not at all concerned with current students. I am not sure how this will fall out.

[Anonymous]

If College Board was not a named party (i didn't see), the agenda is that much more clear against testing policies, not protecting the disabled.

[Anonymous]

Why not sue College Board seeking affirmative injunctive relief to provide the accommodation testing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the impact on students and aid. CA public universities are already suffering under an utterly unrealistic pension system. I wonder if this will reduce public support?

Many people hate the College Board and other organizations like it and consider them parasitic and detrimental to the actual learning process. This will swing in both directions WRT support. Also, the UCs did not choose this, so why would someone blame them?

People do hate the college board, true, but there is also a growing sense that the public university system in CA (which used to be great) is only concerned with paying bloated administrators and servicing pensions, and not at all concerned with current students. I am not sure how this will fall out.

Not sure how your comments, while possibly factual, relate to this court decision turning people's opinions about the UCs.

[Anonymous]

The impact on the admission to UC is nil, as it's already test-optional, though the merit awards will be affected.

On the longer term, College Board has every incentive to make the tests accessible to everyone. The lawyer in this case just took the advantage of the fact that covid-19 makes the tests not accessible to lots of people, not just the disabled students.

[Anonymous]

This judge sits at the lowest level of California courts. He is just one of the more than 1,500 judges. And he gets to decide the fate of hundreds of thousands of applicants? I am sure some kid with high SAT and low GPAs will appeal this stupid decision.

"The superior courts are the lowest level of state courts in California holding general jurisdiction on civil and criminal matters. Above them are the six California courts of appeal, each with appellate jurisdiction over the superior courts within their districts, and the Supreme Court of California. As of 2007, the superior courts of California consisted of over 1,500 judges"

[Anonymous]

We aren’t in CA but my kid goes to a “very bad” high school and gets good test scores (PSAT, only a junior) and good grades and I feel like this type of stuff will disadvantage her. I suppose it helps kids who go to high schools to that colleges are familiar with in a positive light.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:10 APs was the norm. Now it is going to be 15 or so. I can imagine everyone taking envio and human geography.

the whole point of the lawsuit is about access to a state service. If you don't think the next step is to overlay a map of schools with large AP offering on a demographic or economic map you're insane.

Some high schools don’t even offer 15 APs or 10 APs. My Alma mater offers 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are tens of thousands of high school seniors that spent perhaps years studying and taking get classes to do well on the act and sat's. This really changes college admissions for middle class Californians who can't afford private college (donut hole families). I now live in CA and have an 8th grader. I can't afford private college so UC's are his only option. There is a specialized high school program in our city that is competitive and no guarantee of A's or our local high school that isn't as rigorous but I am told easier to get A's since most of the top students go to the specialized high school. Not sure what we will decide.

How many “middle class” Californians were affording the $40k/yr UCs? The middle class kids go to CSUs. I think you mean UMC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:50% of American high schoolers ha r straight As.

DCPS is only giving As and Bs this year. They dropped Cs and below from the grading scale entirely.

This is going to make very student even.

This will cause more colleges to require remedial classes to help students who got an "A" in English in HS but clearly can only write at a 5th grade level. Acceptances will become almost like a lottery, and admitting those students who cannot hack it in higher level institutions will hurt everyone.. These students should be going to community colleges for remedial classes, then transferring to 4 yr universities. By no means do I think that we should not help these kids, but pushing them into situations in which they are not prepared for is doing everyone a disservice.

They should replace the SATs with something else, like maybe a test like cogat or something.

If only admissions officers had a way to know who the good students are without needing a test score... something like knowledge of the schools and the trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations, plus their instincts, which would come with the many years of organizational and personal experience that clearly none of them have...

...oh well, I guess they are now doomed to admit entire classes of unworthy idiots while the truly worthy are denied!

/endsarcasm

You clearly don't know anything about schools in CA to make this statement.

Yes, they know which are "high achieving" schools. And they are mostly white/Asian.

" trustworthiness of the guidance recommendations" - as if guidance recommendations don't have bias.

"instincts" - as if that person who is reviewing the applications don't have any bias

Yes, if they do away with any type of measurable test scores, then what you will see is either more unqualified students attending or less URM being admitted. Look at what happened after Prop 209.

I guess screw the kids who don’t go to “high achieving” schools that have lots of Ap classes, math clubs, debate, naviance (some school districts don’t have naviance or anything similar). Eff the poors!

[Anonymous]

Thank the heavens my kids are already in college.