Completely polarized politically - can we last?

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Anonymous wrote:Typical liberals. “Agree with me or ELSE!”

Get over yourself OP.

No. This is about values. Conservatives that are not vehemently anti-Trump are racists, homophobes, and misogynists. You can't be okay with what the GOP is doing and not be.

OP, you are not alone. I thought my DH was more reasonable but he is so defensive and showing his white male fragility in a way that makes me lose respect for him. I'm struggling hard.

You are the problem pretending to be so woke. Yes, Trump is a moron, probably a racist and an a$$ but not allowing people to believe in their candidate is not what our country/democracy was built on. Get over yourself.

huh, sounds like you’re not so into the freedom of speech and association after all. what a surprise!

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For me, this comes down to basic morals.

I believe government should work to make people's lives easier. Because its' the right thing to do.

If my partner didn't believe the same, I never would have married him. Why? Because we don't share the same basic morals about how the world should work.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have a hard time with a wife that didn’t recognize that I was able to have differing political views in a marriage and it wasn’t grounds for divorce. I hate this narrative that one is all good and one is all evil. If he treats you well, avoid politics. See, saved you $5000 on marriage therapy!

OP posted this: "refusing to denounce the killing of Heather Heyer, Antifa (don't get me started), and now, defending Kyle Rittenhouse and lauding him for his trigger control."

That isn't politics. That isn't a Republican or Democratic platform issue. That is supporting violence and murder.

exactly. and if he is consuming media that leads him there, you know he is hanging out in some very dark places on the internet.

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Anonymous wrote:People who disagree on politics can live in harmony. People who disagree on reality cannot. Sounds like your DH is in the latter camp.

+1 Well said. The left and right cannot agree on a common set of facts on which they base their opinions. They’re not coming to different conclusions based on the same basic information; they’re on different planets.

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Anonymous wrote:People who disagree on politics can live in harmony. People who disagree on reality cannot. Sounds like your DH is in the latter camp.

+1 Well said. The left and right cannot agree on a common set of facts on which they base their opinions. They’re not coming to different conclusions based on the same basic information; they’re on different planets.

uh that’s not what PP said. you can be republican or democrat and agree on reality. that’s why my republican BFF and I get along.

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Anonymous wrote:People who disagree on politics can live in harmony. People who disagree on reality cannot. Sounds like your DH is in the latter camp.

+1 Well said. The left and right cannot agree on a common set of facts on which they base their opinions. They’re not coming to different conclusions based on the same basic information; they’re on different planets.

This is so on point. I could be married to someone thoughtful with different conclusions than mine, but that's not what OP described.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.

Mobbing people who are sitting outside and demanding they conform with their political agenda. Gathering on-line petitions to cancel college professors that do not conform to strict anti-racism ideology. Firing NYT editors for publishing editorials from a sitting US senator whose opinion is supported by a majority of the population. Supporting campus tribunals that deny due process to students accused of sexual assault.

I can give countless examples, but a general chilling of free speech and due process that is absolutely essential to democratic ideals.

huh, what democratic and constitutional ideals does sending in the army to take over state law enforcement against their will with the goal of crushing protest serve?

this PP is an object lesson of what OP is dealing with. The crazed twisting and exaggeration of facts, while ignoring what Trump is actually doing. It’s actually not hard to day “hey, I don’t think intimidating civilians in the name of protest is a good thing. I also don’t think the military should be sent in to address state law enforcement matters.”

PP you are responding to, I am a registered democrat and virulently anti-Trump. You are exactly the problem with the left these days, anything other than total submission to anti-racist ideology is akin to Trump loving nationalism. You are too blinded by leftist rage to see that the vast, vast majority of the country recoils in horror at progressive dogma, but you are being saved from seeing this because a huge portion of those people, including myself, see Trump as the more immediate threat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who disagree on politics can live in harmony. People who disagree on reality cannot. Sounds like your DH is in the latter camp.

+1 Well said. The left and right cannot agree on a common set of facts on which they base their opinions. They’re not coming to different conclusions based on the same basic information; they’re on different planets.

uh that’s not what PP said. you can be republican or democrat and agree on reality. that’s why my republican BFF and I get along.

Yeah but that is not what OP is dealing with.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.

Mobbing people who are sitting outside and demanding they conform with their political agenda. Gathering on-line petitions to cancel college professors that do not conform to strict anti-racism ideology. Firing NYT editors for publishing editorials from a sitting US senator whose opinion is supported by a majority of the population. Supporting campus tribunals that deny due process to students accused of sexual assault.

I can give countless examples, but a general chilling of free speech and due process that is absolutely essential to democratic ideals.

huh, what democratic and constitutional ideals does sending in the army to take over state law enforcement against their will with the goal of crushing protest serve?

this PP is an object lesson of what OP is dealing with. The crazed twisting and exaggeration of facts, while ignoring what Trump is actually doing. It’s actually not hard to day “hey, I don’t think intimidating civilians in the name of protest is a good thing. I also don’t think the military should be sent in to address state law enforcement matters.”

PP you are responding to, I am a registered democrat and virulently anti-Trump. You are exactly the problem with the left these days, anything other than total submission to anti-racist ideology is akin to Trump loving nationalism. You are too blinded by leftist rage to see that the vast, vast majority of the country recoils in horror at progressive dogma, but you are being saved from seeing this because a huge portion of those people, including myself, see Trump as the more immediate threat.

objecting to sending the military in over the objections of states is not “progressive dogma.” most of the examples you listed there are culture war bugaboos you see every day on fox (“campus leftists gone mad!”). forgive me for getting the impression that you yourself lack the clear vision you claim to have. pro tip: people who are actually sane and reality-focused don’t talk about “progressive dogma” and “leftist rage” the way you do.

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OP, I sympathize. I'm in the same boat. My H is not the worst in his family, but his large family is super religious and hard right, and they hate all democrats, whom they equate with socialists.

Honestly it was worse in the Obama years. H held his nose when he voted for Trump, and has been relatively quiet on political discussions since. He has many qualities that make me love him, but I do lose respect for him on his world views. When we did marriage counseling years ago the counselor suggested that he might be depressed. Depression and anxiety seem to be a common thread. He's generally a pessimist, and I think that feeds into his morose world view too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.

Mobbing people who are sitting outside and demanding they conform with their political agenda. Gathering on-line petitions to cancel college professors that do not conform to strict anti-racism ideology. Firing NYT editors for publishing editorials from a sitting US senator whose opinion is supported by a majority of the population. Supporting campus tribunals that deny due process to students accused of sexual assault.

I can give countless examples, but a general chilling of free speech and due process that is absolutely essential to democratic ideals.

huh, what democratic and constitutional ideals does sending in the army to take over state law enforcement against their will with the goal of crushing protest serve?

this PP is an object lesson of what OP is dealing with. The crazed twisting and exaggeration of facts, while ignoring what Trump is actually doing. It’s actually not hard to day “hey, I don’t think intimidating civilians in the name of protest is a good thing. I also don’t think the military should be sent in to address state law enforcement matters.”

PP you are responding to, I am a registered democrat and virulently anti-Trump. You are exactly the problem with the left these days, anything other than total submission to anti-racist ideology is akin to Trump loving nationalism. You are too blinded by leftist rage to see that the vast, vast majority of the country recoils in horror at progressive dogma, but you are being saved from seeing this because a huge portion of those people, including myself, see Trump as the more immediate threat.

objecting to sending the military in over the objections of states is not “progressive dogma.” most of the examples you listed there are culture war bugaboos you see every day on fox (“campus leftists gone mad!”). forgive me for getting the impression that you yourself lack the clear vision you claim to have. pro tip: people who are actually sane and reality-focused don’t talk about “progressive dogma” and “leftist rage” the way you do.

What you describe as cultural war bugaboos that only people on fox believe, is actually a genuine fear that liberals have of leftists. This today in The Atlantic is one of many examples.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/academics-are-really-really-worried-about-their-freedom/615724/

trust me, a lot of like minded liberals like me fear the progressives as much as we fear Trump. One is in the White House, thus the immediate need to vote out trump

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A judge would not give sole custody for this - so if you divorce your child will spend 50% of their time alone with your husband's political ideas. If you choose to stay - you actually have more influence. I think these issues could be discussed and the children could be exposed to both sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry OP. I would really struggle living with that too.

+1

Marrying a Trumper is like being married to the BKT killer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I sympathize. I'm in the same boat. My H is not the worst in his family, but his large family is super religious and hard right, and they hate all democrats, whom they equate with socialists.

Kinds of sounds like progressives who hate all Trumpers, who they equate with racists.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical liberals. “Agree with me or ELSE!”

Get over yourself OP.

Because no current republican president has every taken that path. Wait I forgot the mantra is - What I say goes regardless of truth, no follow me my sheep.

Look in the mirror before making ridiculous statements.