What is your perspective on spanking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do not want your kids to ever hit anyone, you should not hit them. It is one of the few issues that is quite clear to me...and I was spanked as a child by otherwise excellent parents. I think it is a loss of control by the parents rather than any kind of discipline.

+1

And let’s call it what it is: hitting. “Spanking” is a euphemism for hearing.

If I hit my next-door neighbor, that constitutes assault. I don’t know why it’s any different when we hit children, other than that we live in a barbaric country in various respects.

Also, the comment that “I was hit and I am fine” is meaningless. I’m sure you didn’t ride in a car seat, either, and you were probably exposed to secondhand smoke, but that doesn’t make it OK.

Here we go with the arguments of the half wits. If I force my neighbor to sit in a time out chair, or carry her off to her bedroom and hold the door shut, it’s definitely called something, perhaps abduction, assault, illegal confinement. If I take away her iPhone or favorite toy, it’s larceny. If I force her to take off her clothes and get in the bath tub, it’s possible sexual assault. I don’t know why it’s any different when we do those things to children.

Are you that stupid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no issues with people spanking their children. I was spanked and it did not negatively impact me or teach me to hit people. I have a great relationship with my parents, we're close. From what I've seen, I wish certain people spanked their kids. People won't admit it, but their kids are out of control little a**holes.

Well, you can train a dog to comply or you can beat the hell out of it. At some point, yeah, physical violence will turn a kid compliant. But the alternative, GOOD PARENTING, requires better strategy, restraint, and creative systems of punishment and reward.

None of this is mutually exclusive with the occasional deserved spanking. It’s not all or nothing. It’s not like there are no other consequences, or rewards, or teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish I spank my kids but unfortunately its not accepted by mainstream society. It probably stopped when millennials were young. Such a shame.

If you look at surveys, it’s still widely used. There was even one a couple years ago showing a slight increase in support among Millenials compared to the previous generation. (I’m a Millenial)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

Sorry, first sentence should read, what you're saying is NOT true at all about the research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

They do not have any controls for what actually constitutes a spanking, how it’s administered, nor do they control for the children’s disposition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked, I would never spank my own kids.

Same. I consider it absolutely abusive and it definitely negatively impacted me. Even just the threats of being spanked were abusive. If I find out another parent spanks, I distance myself completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's abusive. 100% cold stop.

Bull. If my child runs out into traffic, you can bet your life he/she is going to have one sore bottom!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

Sorry, first sentence should read, what you're saying is NOT true at all about the research.

And if you actually read the write up that you linked, the authors concede that there is really no definitive study available, because they can not randomly assign groups of kids to spanking parents and non-spanking parents. They explain this. It makes any study even meta analyses, worthless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

They do not have any controls for what actually constitutes a spanking, how it’s administered, nor do they control for the children’s disposition.

Sure they do. Many of those hundreds of study specifically ask the parents what types of discipline they use, whether they use objects, how frequently they do it, whether it is closed or open hand, etc. This metaanalysis specifically indicates that when defining spanking, they include only spanking, slapping or smacking with an open hand. They also control for the frequency, how long ago the last spanking episode occurred, who reported the spanking (researcher or parent, for example), the age of the child, and the country.

It's true, they don't control for the child's disposition in THIS specific metaanalysis, but many of the papers they cite DO control for that.

[Anonymous]

Those of you who favor, or have used spanking, is there a set method or type of spanking that you agreed upon with your spouse? How did you decide this? Does only one parent do the spanking? Are there ages?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

Sorry, first sentence should read, what you're saying is NOT true at all about the research.

And if you actually read the write up that you linked, the authors concede that there is really no definitive study available, because they can not randomly assign groups of kids to spanking parents and non-spanking parents. They explain this. It makes any study even meta analyses, worthless.

No, almost all of our sociology, economics, political science, and policy research is not based on random assignment but that does not make it "worthless." You seem to have a very simplistic understanding of what constitutes research design. But your hamster wheel is certainly spinning at full speed to justify hitting your kids! Nice work.

[Anonymous]

Never. If you don’t think it’s abuse you’re deluding yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

They do not have any controls for what actually constitutes a spanking, how it’s administered, nor do they control for the children’s disposition.

Sure they do. Many of those hundreds of study specifically ask the parents what types of discipline they use, whether they use objects, how frequently they do it, whether it is closed or open hand, etc. This metaanalysis specifically indicates that when defining spanking, they include only spanking, slapping or smacking with an open hand. They also control for the frequency, how long ago the last spanking episode occurred, who reported the spanking (researcher or parent, for example), the age of the child, and the country.

It's true, they don't control for the child's disposition in THIS specific metaanalysis, but many of the papers they cite DO control for that.

Some of the studies record that data, but they don’t actually control for it. They just look at it. And no, they certainly don’t control for child’s disposition (and parents’ disposition) because they can’t. You can’t objectively measure that, you could only assign random groups, which is not practical or ethical (you would need to split up families, like a reality show parent swap).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was spanked a few times. I actually spanked my kids more than I was spanked as a child.

I remember as a child both the angry swat in the moment type spanking, and that could be a little bit scary, as well as the measured, judicious, over the knee spanking. The second one was not scary, but it was effective.

That is the spanking that we used with our kids when they were a little bit younger, and it was effective when warnings or other consequences were not.

The data and studies that people cite purporting to show adverse effects never attempt to control for any factors like type of corporal punishment, context, frequency, inherent disposition of the child, socioeconomic factors, or a thousand other variables. They see it only as a binary factor, and to draw conclusions from that is absurd.

A spanking administered after a child has definitively crossed a line in behavior, that is delivered dispassionately, not out of control, where it’s conveyed before and after that this is a consequence of his choices and behavior, is extremely effective and not harmful.

What you're saying is true at all about the research. There are dozens of studies that control for numerous confounding variables including parent income, race, gender, siblings, age, and even crazy stuff like self-reported parent behavioral problems when THEY were kids. They also sometimes use the child as their own control, examining changes of behavior within the same child over time as the frequency of spanking changes. The bulk of this research concludes that spanking has negative effects on children in both the short- and long-term. There are even meta-analysis papers that examine the clusters of well-conducted research and make the same conclusion. So please don't make stuff up. Here is an example of one relatively recent meta-analysis involving over 100 studies that concludes that numerous negative effects are evident and no positive effects are evident:

http://129.171.236.12/faculty/dmessinger/c_c/rsrcs/rdgs/emot/spanging.meta.2016.jFamPsych.pdf

Sorry, first sentence should read, what you're saying is NOT true at all about the research.

And if you actually read the write up that you linked, the authors concede that there is really no definitive study available, because they can not randomly assign groups of kids to spanking parents and non-spanking parents. They explain this. It makes any study even meta analyses, worthless.

No, almost all of our sociology, economics, political science, and policy research is not based on random assignment but that does not make it "worthless." You seem to have a very simplistic understanding of what constitutes research design. But your hamster wheel is certainly spinning at full speed to justify hitting your kids! Nice work.

A lot of it is worthless. Or nearly worthless. But this type of study is particularly worthless for all the reasons I’ve outlined and which you continue to ignore.