Nations Capital Cup

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Anonymous wrote:If Mclean is hosting why are the boys games being played at Embrey mill park in Stafford ?

Can you provide link to this info?

What? I thought they promised all fields "in Fairfax."

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Anonymous wrote:final for U12


Loudoun vs Mclean

Winner: Loudoun

I would have thought they would have put Arlington and Loudoun (the two strongest teams in the field) on other sides of the bracket. But my guess is they will play two games and then A1 will play B2 and B1 will play A2 in the semis with the winner of each moving on to a championship.

I think that matters because I've seen lots of tournaments where two closely matched teams play twice, and it is almost always a split decision, so the order in which you play matters for who ends up champion.

If they do play A1 v B2 and B1 v A2, I am going to guess Loudoun plays Calvert and Arlington plays McLean with Loudoun meeting Arlington in the final, which I think is a pick'em given that it will be the second meeting of the two...

It’s a pretty mismatch tournament. Looks like one top flight team Loudoun, two second/third flight teams Arlington and McLean and a bunch of lower flight teams in the top flight. The tournament seems to think McLean is better vs Arlington. Both did not do well in their last tournament. The results will be interesting with McLean having the most to gain.

Why would Loudoun, McLean and Arlington play this tournament? There are better tournaments in November. McLean and Arlington need points for Jeff Cup placement. You will not get many points here.

McLean is hosting the tournament, which is probably why they are playing it, and probably also why they loaded the biggest competition on the other side of the bracket.

Okay that explains its. I guess Loudoun and Arlington are helping McLean out? Why did those two not bring their lower teams to the tournament?

Makes no sense. There's much better competition at the BPC. Maybe its Loudoun, Arlington, and Mclean's best chance to win a tourney. All 3 are excellent teams and all stand a good chance to win at BPC also. Please don't rehash the field situation at BPC. All the games are on turf this year.

I saw Loudoun and Arlington play at wags. There were much better teams at that tournament vs those two teams. BPC would have been a better tournament if you are trying to pick up point. Both McLean and Arlington need points. Just do not know if either team would have a chance to win the top flight. BSC on the girls side does not place their own teams in the top flight of that tournament.

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FPYCparent wrote:Are the fields for the Boys Weekend (a week later than the Girls) actually posted?

https://events.gotsport.com/events/fields.aspx?EventID=70919

https://www.elitetournaments.com/tournament/nations-capital-cup-boys-weekend

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FPYCparent wrote:Are the fields for the Boys Weekend (a week later than the Girls) actually posted?

https://events.gotsport.com/events/fields.aspx?EventID=70919

https://www.elitetournaments.com/tournament/nations-capital-cup-boys-weekend

https://www.elitetournaments.com/tournament/nations-capital-cup-boys-weekend

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If you follow the link and use the options on the left you can see applied teams as well as fields no flights or schedules yet

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Anonymous wrote:final for U12


Loudoun vs Mclean

Winner: Loudoun

I would have thought they would have put Arlington and Loudoun (the two strongest teams in the field) on other sides of the bracket. But my guess is they will play two games and then A1 will play B2 and B1 will play A2 in the semis with the winner of each moving on to a championship.

I think that matters because I've seen lots of tournaments where two closely matched teams play twice, and it is almost always a split decision, so the order in which you play matters for who ends up champion.

If they do play A1 v B2 and B1 v A2, I am going to guess Loudoun plays Calvert and Arlington plays McLean with Loudoun meeting Arlington in the final, which I think is a pick'em given that it will be the second meeting of the two...

It’s a pretty mismatch tournament. Looks like one top flight team Loudoun, two second/third flight teams Arlington and McLean and a bunch of lower flight teams in the top flight. The tournament seems to think McLean is better vs Arlington. Both did not do well in their last tournament. The results will be interesting with McLean having the most to gain.

Why would Loudoun, McLean and Arlington play this tournament? There are better tournaments in November. McLean and Arlington need points for Jeff Cup placement. You will not get many points here.

McLean is hosting the tournament, which is probably why they are playing it, and probably also why they loaded the biggest competition on the other side of the bracket.

Okay that explains its. I guess Loudoun and Arlington are helping McLean out? Why did those two not bring their lower teams to the tournament?

Makes no sense. There's much better competition at the BPC. Maybe its Loudoun, Arlington, and Mclean's best chance to win a tourney. All 3 are excellent teams and all stand a good chance to win at BPC also. Please don't rehash the field situation at BPC. All the games are on turf this year.

I saw Loudoun and Arlington play at wags. There were much better teams at that tournament vs those two teams. BPC would have been a better tournament if you are trying to pick up point. Both McLean and Arlington need points. Just do not know if either team would have a chance to win the top flight. BSC on the girls side does not place their own teams in the top flight of that tournament.

it’s a smart move they have no choice but to try and get points from this small tournament. BSC is too much risk a lot of good teams are coming.

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FPYCparent wrote:I know it is a small sample size to make any generalizations, but BPC only has four Virginia teams in the 2008 Girls group (out of 28) … and that's from three clubs (2x SYC, Herndon, Great Falls). I'm also suspect of the URL ending in copy-of-u11. Move up to U13, and there are 8 teams from VA (out of 38).

I cannot pretend to not see top MD teams having success in recent tournaments compared to top NoVA teams (among 2008 Girls, at least), but I wonder if more "same-weekend" tournaments will become state-centric with more MD teams staying in MD and more VA teams staying in VA.

By no means do I believe that NCC (in just its first year) is an attempt to compete with BPC as a top draw, but it will be interesting to see what happens going forward, especially if there is a ton of rain on those weekends.

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Somebody ought to do a quick check to see what teams went to BPC last year and elected to return this year. Same for BPC teams from last year playing in NCC this year (I know DD's 2008 team is one in this category.)

I don’t see MD teams ever driving to Virginia for NCC especially when WAGS was just a month ago in Loudoun county. Why come to Virginia twice when you have a premier Tournament in your backyard. If anything Virginia teams should drive to MD so we can get good competition against top teams. Only Elite 2008 teams are Richmond strikers and Loudoun.

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FPYCparent wrote:I know it is a small sample size to make any generalizations, but BPC only has four Virginia teams in the 2008 Girls group (out of 28) … and that's from three clubs (2x SYC, Herndon, Great Falls). I'm also suspect of the URL ending in copy-of-u11. Move up to U13, and there are 8 teams from VA (out of 38).

I cannot pretend to not see top MD teams having success in recent tournaments compared to top NoVA teams (among 2008 Girls, at least), but I wonder if more "same-weekend" tournaments will become state-centric with more MD teams staying in MD and more VA teams staying in VA.

By no means do I believe that NCC (in just its first year) is an attempt to compete with BPC as a top draw, but it will be interesting to see what happens going forward, especially if there is a ton of rain on those weekends.

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Somebody ought to do a quick check to see what teams went to BPC last year and elected to return this year. Same for BPC teams from last year playing in NCC this year (I know DD's 2008 team is one in this category.)

I don’t see MD teams ever driving to Virginia for NCC especially when WAGS was just a month ago in Loudoun county. Why come to Virginia twice when you have a premier Tournament in your backyard. If anything Virginia teams should drive to MD so we can get good competition against top teams. Only Elite 2008 teams are Richmond strikers and Loudoun.

Loudoun is in no way an elite team. You need to win a couple big tournaments against quality opponents to be that. Loudoun still has to check that box.

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Plenty of VA teams happy to stay in VA vs going to that mess of a Bethesda tournament yet again.

To each his/her own but clearly clubs spoke with their pocketbooks and plenty of teams for a brand new tournament with zero brand or exposure

MD teams more likely to want to stay in MD for the same reason VA teams prefer VA.

Not enough daylight to force any sense of regret...

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FPYCparent wrote:McLean Green U12 may have unintentionally agreed to reschedule a regular season game for 9AM Sunday, November 10th … the second day of the NCC for that age group.

MCLN Green U12 NCSL:
http://ncsl-soccer.com/_element_display/#%2F80738%2Fteams%2F95857049%2F92717847-95857227%2FTEAM.html%3Frnd%3D1572215446046

I'm sure SFCE is trying to force a forfeit so they will get the #1 ranking at the end of the fall season.

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FPYCparent wrote:Not sure that Shenandoah FC Elite (SFCE) is being that sinister. I mean, they just won the 4th U12 bracket at WAGS! (:

Seriously, the SFCE 08 squad is playing in the VYSA Presidents Cup and they pre-emptively rescheduled their NCSL games for Oct. 27 and November 2, as the matches coincided with the semifinal and potential final. I am surprised that McLean Green went along with the reschedule, as SFCE should be the ones to forfeit in this instance. Furthermore, McLean is giving up a home game (on turf, I presume) to go to Winchester … to play on grass … in November. (DD's team is slated to play SFCE in Winchester on Nov. 3. Game-time temp is currently predicted to be 36F. Yippie!)

Given that McLean likely controls the schedule for NCC, I wonder if they'll work it so that Green can go to Winchester in the morning on the 10th and still be back in McLean for an NCC afternoon game.

Having seen SFCE's style against DD's team seven or eight times (and an entire half against another squad at this year's WAGS), I think it would an interesting match to watch to see whether SFCE's more direct style or McLean Green's more possession-based-but-running-the-same-play style would prevail. SFCE hasn't been scored on all season (in league games), but the "organization" of McLean's attack should yield something.

Or maybe, I just wanted McLean to wear out SFCE a day before FPYC makes that trip out to Winchester. {snicker}

Presidents cup final is November 3rd. Will they have to forfeit to FPYC is they make the final? Or will FPYC be forfeiting the following weekend when they reschedule during the NCC tournament?

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You better hope they lose. Presidents cup is an event that can be scheduled around. They will move their game to the following weekend, force your precious DD’s team to chose between a forfeit and their tournament. I’m certain that’s what they did to Mclean.

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FPYCparent wrote:SFCE has already moved two NCSL games to November 9 and 10 due to Presidents Cup conflicts (Note: Nov. 9 and 10 were already the designated NCSL rain make-up dates.). I don't know if they can really justify moving a third league match to that weekend for reasons other than rain/weather.

Selfishly, I just don't want to drive to Winchester at 7AM Sunday to watch a game in sub 40-degree weather. If FPYC can use this "opportunity" to get the game moved to one of our fields due to the opponent's scheduling conflict, I'm all for it. A forfeit on their side would be just as acceptable (just do it before 7AM Sunday!). That's why I'm not understanding McLean's choice on this matter, assuming they had one. They've given up a home game and created a potential conflict with their own tournament in rescheduling.

will FPYC play in the state cup in the Spring?

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FPYCparent wrote:SFCE has already moved two NCSL games to November 9 and 10 due to Presidents Cup conflicts (Note: Nov. 9 and 10 were already the designated NCSL rain make-up dates.). I don't know if they can really justify moving a third league match to that weekend for reasons other than rain/weather.

Selfishly, I just don't want to drive to Winchester at 7AM Sunday to watch a game in sub 40-degree weather. If FPYC can use this "opportunity" to get the game moved to one of our fields due to the opponent's scheduling conflict, I'm all for it. A forfeit on their side would be just as acceptable (just do it before 7AM Sunday!). That's why I'm not understanding McLean's choice on this matter, assuming they had one. They've given up a home game and created a potential conflict with their own tournament in rescheduling.

McLean game was already in Winchester. They did not give up a home game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Plenty of VA teams happy to stay in VA vs going to that mess of a Bethesda tournament yet again.

To each his/her own but clearly clubs spoke with their pocketbooks and plenty of teams for a brand new tournament with zero brand or exposure

MD teams more likely to want to stay in MD for the same reason VA teams prefer VA.

Not enough daylight to force any sense of regret...

Going to the bethesda tournament cuz it looks like theyve gotten their shit together and made the changes needed to fix their mistakes from past years.