Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

Sorry, he didn't choose to come him as a child, but he chose to commit crimes against Americans going back for 20 years. Why are you ignoring that he's a low-life criminal? He does not deserve citizenship.

Illegal aliens should be GRATEFUL to the country that allows them to remain here, and not give Americans the middle finger by committing crimes against them. They commit crimes....out they go.

He's dead. Quite foreseeably. That means that we knew it, decided not to prevent it.

Whether you think it's right to deport him or wrong, we are the cause of his death.

How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What about Iraq? Should we offer millions currently living in Iraq a path to citizenship "because Iraq"....?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He had a path, he chose to ignore it.

What was his path? Can you let the 1,000 other Iraqis facing deportation what that path is?

His path was don’t commit crimes. If I commit a crime, there are consequences, it’s up to me to decide if the consequence is worth it or not. He knew he had a chance of being deported if he committed a crime and still chose to do so. What happens after that is not relevant.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and found that you were in Iraq and suffering from diabetes, how long do you think you would survive. You would have no home, no money, no one to whom you can turn for help, and no ability to speak the local language. You would just be another homeless person in a country filled with displaced people.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

Thanks for the response. But yes, once he turned 18 he has been dodging the law. He knew he was ineligible for a driver's license, social security number, legal work, etc. He had choices then. Again the question is why would his parents give him citizenship to a place to which he has no connection?

The US is not responsible for him or other dreamers. These are not our children. They are the responsibility of their parents and country of citizenship.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

He was a criminal - dating all the way back to 1998. You keep forgetting that detail. Criminal aliens should under no circumstance be offered citizenship.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and found that you were in Iraq and suffering from diabetes, how long do you think you would survive. You would have no home, no money, no one to whom you can turn for help, and no ability to speak the local language. You would just be another homeless person in a country filled with displaced people.

I doubt he just woke up in Iraq without any warning and suddenly became aware of his condition. Surely he had deportation hearings and deportation date set over a period of years. He knew where he was being deported to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

Thanks for the response. But yes, once he turned 18 he has been dodging the law. He knew he was ineligible for a driver's license, social security number, legal work, etc. He had choices then. Again the question is why would his parents give him citizenship to a place to which he has no connection?

The US is not responsible for him or other dreamers. These are not our children. They are the responsibility of their parents and country of citizenship.

You believe that we should just round up every dreamer and other illegal and remove them from this country. Others disagree with you.

Also, it's not true that all people who are here without status cannot legally work. Another apparently unknown fact.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

Thanks for the response. But yes, once he turned 18 he has been dodging the law. He knew he was ineligible for a driver's license, social security number, legal work, etc. He had choices then. Again the question is why would his parents give him citizenship to a place to which he has no connection?

The US is not responsible for him or other dreamers. These are not our children. They are the responsibility of their parents and country of citizenship.

Yes, if you lack humanity, people's lives don't really matter. Just send people to their deaths and shrug off responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and found that you were in Iraq and suffering from diabetes, how long do you think you would survive. You would have no home, no money, no one to whom you can turn for help, and no ability to speak the local language. You would just be another homeless person in a country filled with displaced people.

I doubt he just woke up in Iraq without any warning and suddenly became aware of his condition. Surely he had deportation hearings and deportation date set over a period of years. He knew where he was being deported to.

That's not how it normally works and not how these special Irawu deportees work either.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and found that you were in Iraq and suffering from diabetes, how long do you think you would survive. You would have no home, no money, no one to whom you can turn for help, and no ability to speak the local language. You would just be another homeless person in a country filled with displaced people.

I doubt he just woke up in Iraq without any warning and suddenly became aware of his condition. Surely he had deportation hearings and deportation date set over a period of years. He knew where he was being deported to.

What could he have done during that time to have changed his circumstances? Do you think he wanted to be living on the street in Iraq without access to medical attention? Do you think the was just a lack of planning or something he planned for some crazy reason?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should people in his position be offered citizenship? Because they dodged the law long enough? No snark, honest question

He didn't really "dodge the law". He was brought here when he was six months old. He had no choice in the matter. He found himself here without documentation, not because of his own actions, but as result of his parents' choices. He never lived in Iraq and didn't even speak Arabic. It was predictable -- indeed was predicted -- that he would not survive in a country where he had no friends or family, no money, little chance of getting a job, and no access to necessary medical care. In Iraq he was homeless, living on the street.

People like him who have known no other country deserve to stay here. Staying here without status makes no sense. A path to citizenship is the best of the poor options available.

Thanks for the response. But yes, once he turned 18 he has been dodging the law. He knew he was ineligible for a driver's license, social security number, legal work, etc. He had choices then. Again the question is why would his parents give him citizenship to a place to which he has no connection?

The US is not responsible for him or other dreamers. These are not our children. They are the responsibility of their parents and country of citizenship.

You believe that we should just round up every dreamer and other illegal and remove them from this country. Others disagree with you.

Also, it's not true that all people who are here without status cannot legally work. Another apparently unknown fact.

I said we have no responsibility for them. and we don't. Including what happens after they leave our soil.

Please explain how someone gets a legal work permit without letting their status be known to the government? TPS,DACA, those waiting for asylum, etc. have been granted the legal right to work. That doesn't mean they are here legally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and found that you were in Iraq and suffering from diabetes, how long do you think you would survive. You would have no home, no money, no one to whom you can turn for help, and no ability to speak the local language. You would just be another homeless person in a country filled with displaced people.

I doubt he just woke up in Iraq without any warning and suddenly became aware of his condition. Surely he had deportation hearings and deportation date set over a period of years. He knew where he was being deported to.

That's not how it normally works and not how these special Irawu deportees work either.

Not how what normally works? if it is the same group currently in he news, this group of Iraqis have known for years they could be deported. I think some of them are even cutting off their GPS bracelets so they can't be found before their deportation. Hard to argue they didn't see it coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would anyone foresee his death? Surely he isn't the only person in Iraq with diabetes.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and found that you were in Iraq and suffering from diabetes, how long do you think you would survive. You would have no home, no money, no one to whom you can turn for help, and no ability to speak the local language. You would just be another homeless person in a country filled with displaced people.

I doubt he just woke up in Iraq without any warning and suddenly became aware of his condition. Surely he had deportation hearings and deportation date set over a period of years. He knew where he was being deported to.

That's not how it normally works and not how these special Irawu deportees work either.

Not how what normally works? if it is the same group currently in he news, this group of Iraqis have known for years they could be deported. I think some of them are even cutting off their GPS bracelets so they can't be found before their deportation. Hard to argue they didn't see it coming.

Sure, they know they could be deported, but for a long time they knew it wouldn't happen then. A removal date isn't set years in advance. Or even more than a few days in advance.