Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

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I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

I am the PP - and I hated Obama's deportations, too. I remember a high profile case right before the end of his tenure in office - a kid who'd been adopted from Korea as a child, but whose adoptive parents never filled out the right paperwork, and now he was being deported back to Korea. That was awful, too. There were lots of awful cases then, too.

We've had a broken system for a long time. It needs fixing. I'm a former journalist and a former immigration policy person, and I've written about the need for reform. The difference here is that while Obama did some bad things, he was not a bad person - he didn't seem hellbent on evil and cruelty at ever opportunity. Trump does. And it makes it even more intolerable, what he is doing.

But yes, we should have protested the deportations more under Obama, too. We should have fixed this messed up system a long time ago. There's been no political will to do it.

But we didn't. Many were "in love" with Obama and didn't question him, as we believed in him. Furthermore, we were closely attached to stronger borders and sending people back. It wasn't labeled "anti-immigrant" or racist.

Today, many will make a swipe at Trump b/c they despise him. So even if he's following similar protocols from past efforts, he won't be recognized for it b/c he can do NO good. right?

It's anti-immigrant/racism.

And some of us who have been around for a while want stronger measures in place. I, for one, do, and I'm a daughter of immigrants. I'm not heartless, but we need reform. Which D candidate will offer us a solid plan?

Biden.

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Hahahaha

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear: The people outraged about this are not "fake" outraged, like some are suggesting.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my outrage is very very real. And I am far from alone.

Trump makes more enemies every single day. Don't fool yourselves into thinking this is some ginned up thing. He is loathed for his evil.

There are more people that agree with Trump. There was a survey recently that said that something like 60% of voters support raids. Take a look outside of your bubble. DCUM is not representative of the entire US. Trump will win again. Even if people arent marching in the streets in support of him, they are not going to want to keep a criminal here who is an illegal immigrant

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear: The people outraged about this are not "fake" outraged, like some are suggesting.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my outrage is very very real. And I am far from alone.

Trump makes more enemies every single day. Don't fool yourselves into thinking this is some ginned up thing. He is loathed for his evil.

There are more people that agree with Trump. There was a survey recently that said that something like 60% of voters support raids. Take a look outside of your bubble. DCUM is not representative of the entire US. Trump will win again. Even if people arent marching in the streets in support of him, they are not going to want to keep a criminal here who is an illegal immigrant

I think you are misreading the temperature. Political views are often shaped by compelling narratives, and this is a compelling narrative - I think most people who hear this story will say that this administration did a ghastly thing sending him to Iraq to die in the streets.

But we will see next year, won't we. Let's see how 150,000-plus Iraqi Christians in Michigan vote next time. Again: Trump won Michigan by less than 11,000 votes last time, and this community supported him last time around.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear: The people outraged about this are not "fake" outraged, like some are suggesting.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my outrage is very very real. And I am far from alone.

Trump makes more enemies every single day. Don't fool yourselves into thinking this is some ginned up thing. He is loathed for his evil.

There are more people that agree with Trump. There was a survey recently that said that something like 60% of voters support raids. Take a look outside of your bubble. DCUM is not representative of the entire US. Trump will win again. Even if people arent marching in the streets in support of him, they are not going to want to keep a criminal here who is an illegal immigrant

I think you are misreading the temperature. Political views are often shaped by compelling narratives, and this is a compelling narrative - I think most people who hear this story will say that this administration did a ghastly thing sending him to Iraq to die in the streets.

But we will see next year, won't we. Let's see how 150,000-plus Iraqi Christians in Michigan vote next time. Again: Trump won Michigan by less than 11,000 votes last time, and this community supported him last time around.

The election is next year. Voters won't remember this story next week. You also assume that a majority of voters will care enough over their own economic wellbeing to vote against Trump. But as you said we will see.

Wishful thinking on your part.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to be clear: The people outraged about this are not "fake" outraged, like some are suggesting.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my outrage is very very real. And I am far from alone.

Trump makes more enemies every single day. Don't fool yourselves into thinking this is some ginned up thing. He is loathed for his evil.

There are more people that agree with Trump. There was a survey recently that said that something like 60% of voters support raids. Take a look outside of your bubble. DCUM is not representative of the entire US. Trump will win again. Even if people arent marching in the streets in support of him, they are not going to want to keep a criminal here who is an illegal immigrant

I think you are misreading the temperature. Political views are often shaped by compelling narratives, and this is a compelling narrative - I think most people who hear this story will say that this administration did a ghastly thing sending him to Iraq to die in the streets.

But we will see next year, won't we. Let's see how 150,000-plus Iraqi Christians in Michigan vote next time. Again: Trump won Michigan by less than 11,000 votes last time, and this community supported him last time around.

The election is next year. Voters won't remember this story next week. You also assume that a majority of voters will care enough over their own economic wellbeing to vote against Trump. But as you said we will see.

Wishful thinking on your part.

Now you're assuming the economy won't weaken next year. That's a pretty risky assumption since the numbers have already been revised downward for previous economic growth and the fed is worried enough to lower interest rates.

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

This +1 million

Agree that it's not easy, but the current situation is clearly not sustainable.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

Nice victim blaming.

His parents are not victims though I'm sure they will claim to be in the lawsuit their lawyer is surely cooking up as we type.

It's not victim blaming to expect people to take responsibility for their actions.

Their son died. Sounds like victims to me. Put yourself in their shoes.

What specifically makes then a victim? A victim of what? They broke the law

Again, their son died. That's what specifically makes them a victim. Put yourself in their shoes. They have suffered a loss.

Their son died as a result of their actions. If you want to blame anyone, feel free to blame his parents. When, in reality, I'd say it was probably a number of factors that led to this man's unfortunate death.

I personally, wouldn't blame his parents. They were just doing what they thought was best, and the US has been encouraging illegal immigration for years. But, I certainly also don't blame Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

I am the PP - and I hated Obama's deportations, too. I remember a high profile case right before the end of his tenure in office - a kid who'd been adopted from Korea as a child, but whose adoptive parents never filled out the right paperwork, and now he was being deported back to Korea. That was awful, too. There were lots of awful cases then, too.

We've had a broken system for a long time. It needs fixing. I'm a former journalist and a former immigration policy person, and I've written about the need for reform. The difference here is that while Obama did some bad things, he was not a bad person - he didn't seem hellbent on evil and cruelty at ever opportunity. Trump does. And it makes it even more intolerable, what he is doing.

But yes, we should have protested the deportations more under Obama, too. We should have fixed this messed up system a long time ago. There's been no political will to do it.

But we didn't. Many were "in love" with Obama and didn't question him, as we believed in him. Furthermore, we were closely attached to stronger borders and sending people back. It wasn't labeled "anti-immigrant" or racist.

Today, many will make a swipe at Trump b/c they despise him. So even if he's following similar protocols from past efforts, he won't be recognized for it b/c he can do NO good. right?

It's anti-immigrant/racism.

And some of us who have been around for a while want stronger measures in place. I, for one, do, and I'm a daughter of immigrants. I'm not heartless, but we need reform. Which D candidate will offer us a solid plan?

This is exactly right. Plus the media hates Trump and tries to demonize him whenever possible. It's insanity.

I didn't vote for Trump, and I voted for Obama.

OP asks a good question. Which D candidate is offering up a solid plan? I watched the first debates and offering to decriminalize illegal immigration and offering free health insurance to illegal immigrants is not the answer. It may seem like a 'feel-good' policy, but in reality it will lead to more of the same, AND worse.

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I am waiting to see how's the first Dem promising free college for illegal immigrants.