Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

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I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

No one has explained why he was the US's responsibility. Why does the US have a responsibility to take care of him?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

I am the PP - and I hated Obama's deportations, too. I remember a high profile case right before the end of his tenure in office - a kid who'd been adopted from Korea as a child, but whose adoptive parents never filled out the right paperwork, and now he was being deported back to Korea. That was awful, too. There were lots of awful cases then, too.

We've had a broken system for a long time. It needs fixing. I'm a former journalist and a former immigration policy person, and I've written about the need for reform. The difference here is that while Obama did some bad things, he was not a bad person - he didn't seem hellbent on evil and cruelty at ever opportunity. Trump does. And it makes it even more intolerable, what he is doing.

But yes, we should have protested the deportations more under Obama, too. We should have fixed this messed up system a long time ago. There's been no political will to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

You’re right. You know what is not humane? Encouraging people to break the law and come here illegally simply so that employers can hire cheap labor. That is unacceptable. This country can do better.

It is not humane to tell people they should continue to bring their children here and cross the border because the US will take care of them and then be surprised and appalled when they end up in border detention camps.

+1 and giving them amnesty will only cause more to cross the border with their children, risking death, rape, illness, and all sorts of awful things along the journey in Hope's of making it here. That why we have people buying children in Guatemala for $80 to cross because our laws have signalled that is the way to go. The Flores agreement gives people this false hope. The DACA program gives people this false hope. Never ending "temporary " programs gives people false hope. That is what is inhumane.

Or his parents could have stayed in Iraq and risked genocide ... which is what Chaldean Christians have been subjected to in Iraq.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

I am the PP - and I hated Obama's deportations, too. I remember a high profile case right before the end of his tenure in office - a kid who'd been adopted from Korea as a child, but whose adoptive parents never filled out the right paperwork, and now he was being deported back to Korea. That was awful, too. There were lots of awful cases then, too.

We've had a broken system for a long time. It needs fixing. I'm a former journalist and a former immigration policy person, and I've written about the need for reform. The difference here is that while Obama did some bad things, he was not a bad person - he didn't seem hellbent on evil and cruelty at ever opportunity. Trump does. And it makes it even more intolerable, what he is doing.

But yes, we should have protested the deportations more under Obama, too. We should have fixed this messed up system a long time ago. There's been no political will to do it.

In either case, how is it the president's fault?

Congressional lack of action to fix the laws is where your anger should be directed. The trend of protesting individual cases you personally find distasteful is not helpful. You dont get to decide which deportations are valid. The law was followed. If you dont like the law, lobby congress to change it. Otherwise, why not lobby against the executive branch to enforce any or all laws? The executive branch has the mandate to enforce laws passed by Congress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

You’re right. You know what is not humane? Encouraging people to break the law and come here illegally simply so that employers can hire cheap labor. That is unacceptable. This country can do better.

It is not humane to tell people they should continue to bring their children here and cross the border because the US will take care of them and then be surprised and appalled when they end up in border detention camps.

+1 and giving them amnesty will only cause more to cross the border with their children, risking death, rape, illness, and all sorts of awful things along the journey in Hope's of making it here. That why we have people buying children in Guatemala for $80 to cross because our laws have signalled that is the way to go. The Flores agreement gives people this false hope. The DACA program gives people this false hope. Never ending "temporary " programs gives people false hope. That is what is inhumane.

Or his parents could have stayed in Iraq and risked genocide ... which is what Chaldean Christians have been subjected to in Iraq.

Sounds like a valid reason for asylum or refugee status. Why wasn't that ever a path taken?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

I am the PP - and I hated Obama's deportations, too. I remember a high profile case right before the end of his tenure in office - a kid who'd been adopted from Korea as a child, but whose adoptive parents never filled out the right paperwork, and now he was being deported back to Korea. That was awful, too. There were lots of awful cases then, too.

We've had a broken system for a long time. It needs fixing. I'm a former journalist and a former immigration policy person, and I've written about the need for reform. The difference here is that while Obama did some bad things, he was not a bad person - he didn't seem hellbent on evil and cruelty at ever opportunity. Trump does. And it makes it even more intolerable, what he is doing.

But yes, we should have protested the deportations more under Obama, too. We should have fixed this messed up system a long time ago. There's been no political will to do it.

In either case, how is it the president's fault?

Congressional lack of action to fix the laws is where your anger should be directed. The trend of protesting individual cases you personally find distasteful is not helpful. You dont get to decide which deportations are valid. The law was followed. If you dont like the law, lobby congress to change it. Otherwise, why not lobby against the executive branch to enforce any or all laws? The executive branch has the mandate to enforce laws passed by Congress.

I'm getting the sense that you aren't very familiar with how immigration enforcement works?

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

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I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

I am the PP - and I hated Obama's deportations, too. I remember a high profile case right before the end of his tenure in office - a kid who'd been adopted from Korea as a child, but whose adoptive parents never filled out the right paperwork, and now he was being deported back to Korea. That was awful, too. There were lots of awful cases then, too.

We've had a broken system for a long time. It needs fixing. I'm a former journalist and a former immigration policy person, and I've written about the need for reform. The difference here is that while Obama did some bad things, he was not a bad person - he didn't seem hellbent on evil and cruelty at ever opportunity. Trump does. And it makes it even more intolerable, what he is doing.

But yes, we should have protested the deportations more under Obama, too. We should have fixed this messed up system a long time ago. There's been no political will to do it.

In either case, how is it the president's fault?

Congressional lack of action to fix the laws is where your anger should be directed. The trend of protesting individual cases you personally find distasteful is not helpful. You dont get to decide which deportations are valid. The law was followed. If you dont like the law, lobby congress to change it. Otherwise, why not lobby against the executive branch to enforce any or all laws? The executive branch has the mandate to enforce laws passed by Congress.

Because this particular person was part of Trump's Iraq travel ban deal.

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

Hi crazy,

Fewer migrants are dying under President Trump than did under President Obama.

Save your fake outrage, you don't fool anyone but yourself.

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Just to be clear: The people outraged about this are not "fake" outraged, like some are suggesting.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my outrage is very very real. And I am far from alone.

Trump makes more enemies every single day. Don't fool yourselves into thinking this is some ginned up thing. He is loathed for his evil.

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Anonymous wrote:I imagine lots of diabetics are suffering in Iraq and other parts of the world, no? That's tragic. And perhaps that is the real issue? Let's work on that. I mean, there are diabetics suffering in Alabama...and even MoCo...because they can't afford insulin.

Yes, our immigration system is sh1tshow. But the bigger issue is that our country and the global community are a giant sh1tshow...and the answer simply cannot be everyone comes to America. After all, we really don't have the solutions as evidenced by the rather visible human suffering within our own borders.

Immigration is a big distraction away from the continual devolution of our once great society.

All lives matter, diabetic edition!

Nicely done pp. Nice concern trolling.

?

I truly believe the global community must step up and demand basic human rights for everyone. Housing, food, healthcare, education. Equality. Safety. If countries ensured basic human rights and a decent living standard, we wouldn't have these issues.

Instead, economic inequality continues to grow...including in the USA. And more people suffer.

That's the real issue, people. The Iraqi national is merely a casualty of a heartless system that screws people. But the system isn't the immigration system...it's much bigger than that.

#TheMoreYouKnow

Pay no attention to the schizophrenic man who was deported to Iraq, a country he'd never been to before and where he had no ability to take care of himself, and therefore died on the streets!

ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! Except this one. This one doesn't matter.

Of course his life matters. All lives matter.

But if you actually sit in immigration precedings, you'll quickly realize that everyone has a sad story. So, do we just let everyone stay?

We will never be equipped to have open borders and allow everyone to stay, so perhaps we should pressure our fellow global citizen leaders to demand basic human rights as discussed above to stem the tide? Unless you think the solution is that the USA is all puppy dogs and rainbows and we should be the only country opening our doors?

I would rather see every country on the planet proactively address economic inequality and human rights. Seems like a commonsense approach. It won't be easy, but it should be the goal.

All lives matter, except the one who actually died because Trump is a cruel horrible person who does cruel horrible things.

I wish I could have coffee with you and discuss this in person. Then you would realize I'm actually a bleeding heart liberal (never voted for a republican) who has decades of FT professional experience in the law and policy space related to a whole host of social justice issues.

You are failing to see the big picture. You are only focusing on the one person and blaming Trump. I see where you are coming from, but I also see the much bigger picture. Want to prevent more tragedies like this poor guy? Then aim higher.

This is why we aren't making process: people are seemingly incapable of fighting for the bigger changes that must occur. Aim higher.

I can see both - I can see that THIS instance of deporting a mentally ill man who'd been in the US all his life, leading to his death, is cruel and cruel in a way that fits in perfectly with Trump's other acts of cruelty. I can also be interested in other systemic things. But THIS man's death is unnecessary, and is Trump's fault.

Okay.

But this sort of thing happens all the time. People are deported every day. And Obama (who I voted for btw) was called "Deporter in Chief" by many (including my fellow advocates). The system wasn't markedly better under him. For whatever reason, it just wasn't covered...perhaps because he wasn't proud of it and thus took action quietly? Only the lawyers and advocates on the front lines really knew what was happening I suppose.

I am the PP - and I hated Obama's deportations, too. I remember a high profile case right before the end of his tenure in office - a kid who'd been adopted from Korea as a child, but whose adoptive parents never filled out the right paperwork, and now he was being deported back to Korea. That was awful, too. There were lots of awful cases then, too.

We've had a broken system for a long time. It needs fixing. I'm a former journalist and a former immigration policy person, and I've written about the need for reform. The difference here is that while Obama did some bad things, he was not a bad person - he didn't seem hellbent on evil and cruelty at ever opportunity. Trump does. And it makes it even more intolerable, what he is doing.

But yes, we should have protested the deportations more under Obama, too. We should have fixed this messed up system a long time ago. There's been no political will to do it.

But we didn't. Many were "in love" with Obama and didn't question him, as we believed in him. Furthermore, we were closely attached to stronger borders and sending people back. It wasn't labeled "anti-immigrant" or racist.

Today, many will make a swipe at Trump b/c they despise him. So even if he's following similar protocols from past efforts, he won't be recognized for it b/c he can do NO good. right?

It's anti-immigrant/racism.

And some of us who have been around for a while want stronger measures in place. I, for one, do, and I'm a daughter of immigrants. I'm not heartless, but we need reform. Which D candidate will offer us a solid plan?