Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

He also had a choice as to how to conduct his life as an adult. He chose wrong.

He had a serious mental illness that prevented him from living his life “as an adult” as you define it. He didn’t choose that.

But what a surprise, you have zero empathy or compassion for anyone but yourself.

That is what the immigration attorney said. We have no way of knowing if that is accurate.

Exactly. Because surprisingly, sometimes, attorneys don’t tell the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

You’re right. You know what is not humane? Encouraging people to break the law and come here illegally simply so that employers can hire cheap labor. That is unacceptable. This country can do better.

It is not humane to tell people they should continue to bring their children here and cross the border because the US will take care of them and then be surprised and appalled when they end up in border detention camps.

+1 and giving them amnesty will only cause more to cross the border with their children, risking death, rape, illness, and all sorts of awful things along the journey in Hope's of making it here. That why we have people buying children in Guatemala for $80 to cross because our laws have signalled that is the way to go. The Flores agreement gives people this false hope. The DACA program gives people this false hope. Never ending "temporary " programs gives people false hope. That is what is inhumane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would the appropriate response have been here? Allow him to stay? He has a criminal record. Are criminals now exempt from laws too?

The appropriate response with all the Iraqis in this country who are not violent criminals would be to offer them temporary protected status. Anyone brought here as a child who has grown up here like this man should be offered a path to citizenship.

He was here illegally, and he's been committing crimes since 1998, when he was 13 or 14. Why should we offer him a path to citizenship?

Because Iraq.

What dies that mean? You'd think that an adult, knowing he is here illegally, would not draw more attention to himself by committing crimes against Americans. It said he's now 34, and his. Rimes date back 21 years - to 1998. So he was a criminal beginning at age 13. Why would we want to make someone like that a citizen!

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

He also had a choice as to how to conduct his life as an adult. He chose wrong.

He had a serious mental illness that prevented him from living his life “as an adult” as you define it. He didn’t choose that.

But what a surprise, you have zero empathy or compassion for anyone but yourself.

That is what the immigration attorney said. We have no way of knowing if that is accurate.

Exactly. Because surprisingly, sometimes, attorneys don’t tell the truth.

Noooo...attorneys have to be the most honest profession!


Hahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous]

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

OK, I'll play. Listing what I've read (in a cursory manner). So I may have inaccurate points.

Through no fault of his own, he was brought here as an infant illegally. He was in his 40s.
He had mental illness (schizophrenia), which apparently led to his deportation to a country to which he had few ties - culturally or religiously.
He died b/c he didn't have access to his medicine and couldn't speak the language to communicate his needs.

terrible, I agree, especially b/c he was suffering from mental illness

However, why didn't his family (dad brought him over?) move through proper channels? He lived his entire life as an illegal immigrant? Did he work? In other words, what happened between 6 mos and 41 years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

You’re right. You know what is not humane? Encouraging people to break the law and come here illegally simply so that employers can hire cheap labor. That is unacceptable. This country can do better.

It is not humane to tell people they should continue to bring their children here and cross the border because the US will take care of them and then be surprised and appalled when they end up in border detention camps.

+1 and giving them amnesty will only cause more to cross the border with their children, risking death, rape, illness, and all sorts of awful things along the journey in Hope's of making it here. That why we have people buying children in Guatemala for $80 to cross because our laws have signalled that is the way to go. The Flores agreement gives people this false hope. The DACA program gives people this false hope. Never ending "temporary " programs gives people false hope. That is what is inhumane.

+1 million

All so that some politicians can get votes and so that wealthy employers can have cheap labor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We would want to make him a citizen because we are a humane country (or so we tell ourselves). He did not choose to come to this country, but was brought as a child. Leaving him without status is not a solution. Deporting him to his death is inhumane.

OK, I'll play. Listing what I've read (in a cursory manner). So I may have inaccurate points.

Through no fault of his own, he was brought here as an infant illegally. He was in his 40s.
He had mental illness (schizophrenia), which apparently led to his deportation to a country to which he had few ties - culturally or religiously.
He died b/c he didn't have access to his medicine and couldn't speak the language to communicate his needs.

terrible, I agree, especially b/c he was suffering from mental illness

However, why didn't his family (dad brought him over?) move through proper channels? He lived his entire life as an illegal immigrant? Did he work? In other words, what happened between 6 mos and 41 years?

I’d want to know this also. Before blaming Trump for this man’s death and saying the US is not a humane country because of this one man’s unfortunate situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

Right. I forgot that liberals define humanity by how much more concern we demonstrate toward criminal aliens than we do for honest Americans in the same condition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

Right. I forgot that liberals define humanity by how much more concern we demonstrate toward criminal aliens than we do for honest Americans in the same condition.

Strawman argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person did not choose to come here. He was 6 months old. He did not choose schizophrenia. Age 13 is very likely when he got it as onset is usually puberty. His crimes were most likely tied to it and not something he chose.

He did not speak Arabic and had never lived in Iraq. Furthermore he is a Chaldean Catholic. He would have no support system in Iraq.

We are a humane country with humane laws. Where is the humanity in this decision? This was a travesty.

This thread, among others, shows the we're not that.

Right. I forgot that liberals define humanity by how much more concern we demonstrate toward criminal aliens than we do for honest Americans in the same condition.

Oh, we kill lots of honest Americans too. Are you concerned about them?

Yeah, didn't think so.

[Anonymous]

Are there no diabetics in Iraq? Is there no insulin there?

Why is this Trump's fault? Agenda item #1 for his family should have been finding a source of medication, including insulin.

[Anonymous]

Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

Nice victim blaming.

[Anonymous]

With every one of these tremendous acts of cruelty, my only solace is that despite the grotesque defense of this hideous administration - this makes Trump lose support with communities whose votes he needs.

This man was a Christian, and prior to now Trump has had support among Iraqi Christians because they believed he would protect them.

Now they see he won't. Let's see how many of them are living in swing states:

"Metro Detroit—home to one of the largest Iraqi diasporas in America, along with Chicago and San Diego—also contains the largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq, with estimates between 120,000 and 150,000."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/april/iraqi-chaldean-christians-face-deporation-aclu-court.html

Remind me again how much Trump won Michigan by? Oh yeah fewer than 11,000 votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't his parent(s) or family members go with him to Iraq since they knew he would have trouble there? How are they not responsible at all? His parents put him in this position in the first place by bring him here illegally and also, inexplicably giving him citizenship to a place he has never been.

Nice victim blaming.

His parents are not victims though I'm sure they will claim to be in the lawsuit their lawyer is surely cooking up as we type.

It's not victim blaming to expect people to take responsibility for their actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With every one of these tremendous acts of cruelty, my only solace is that despite the grotesque defense of this hideous administration - this makes Trump lose support with communities whose votes he needs.

This man was a Christian, and prior to now Trump has had support among Iraqi Christians because they believed he would protect them.

Now they see he won't. Let's see how many of them are living in swing states:

"Metro Detroit—home to one of the largest Iraqi diasporas in America, along with Chicago and San Diego—also contains the largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq, with estimates between 120,000 and 150,000."

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/april/iraqi-chaldean-christians-face-deporation-aclu-court.html

Remind me again how much Trump won Michigan by? Oh yeah fewer than 11,000 votes.

They cant vote.

Also, it wasn't the popular vote that got him elected.