Great article: "Democrats are in a Bubble on Immigration"

[Anonymous]

To the poster who said Obama deported them by the plane load:

Yes, to say he did it. Then they came right back because he had no way to identify them and keep them from returning. Weak, weak, weak.

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who said Obama deported them by the plane load:

Yes, to say he did it. Then they came right back because he had no way to identify them and keep them from returning. Weak, weak, weak.

What's Trump planning to do to "identify" them? Brand their foreheads?

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

We want more LEGAL immigrants. But nice try, PP.

Bans from Muslim countries and how many kids in concentration camps, kids whose parents were LEGALLY seeking refugee status suggests this is not actually the case.

DP. Just the gross misuse of the phrase "concentration camps" is enough for me to discount anything else you might have said.

DP. I'm also a Dem and not Jewish and grossly offended by the comparison. AOC is a complete moron. And we're gonna lose again. Badly.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

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So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

You, are a moron. The lack of e-verify inducing illegal immigration? How about the promise of free healthcare you saw at the debates!

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

You, are a moron. The lack of e-verify inducing illegal immigration? How about the promise of free healthcare you saw at the debates!

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

Undocumented immigrants aren’t going to come if they have no way to earn money to survive. If employers actually used E-Verify (because there was a risk of real penalties if they didn’t), it would be much harder for undocumented immigrants to find employment, and the inability to earn money both for themselves and to send back home would significantly discourage migration.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

You, are a moron. The lack of e-verify inducing illegal immigration? How about the promise of free healthcare you saw at the debates!

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The poster who claimed e-verify is the primary issue need to get educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the op, yes. I am a democrat & have know that my party is more interested in helping folks without Napier’s then in helping my middle class family. We simply cannot solve everyone’s problems. We just can’t. It’s not ‘inhumane’ to say we can’t take you in. It’s inhumane to over extended & pretend like we can.
Yes- Dems are making immigration decisions in an echo chamber.

Why didn’t you listen to what Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Ryan, Sanders, Booker etc had to say during the debates? They talked about struggling families, the high price of education and health care, depressed wages, investing in green technologies of the future that will create jobs. Did you just leave the room whenever those topics were addressed? And why do you think it’s a bad thing to bring together central American and Mexican leaders tonaddress the systemic problems that are causing people to flee those countries and north? It’s always better to do preventative medicine than to try to fix the illness.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are saying, if we use E-verify, our problems would just go away as that is the issue? Bullish-t.

No one said it will vanish but it is an important step. Why is it BS? You don’t want to cut the job spigot off and keep saying dems support illegal immigration. That’s classic demagoguery. The GOP wants to keep the issue alive and not solve it because they just use it to rail the rubes to vote for them while taking away their education and healthcare budget. The conman doubled h2B so he can recruit more immigrants over Americans for waiter jobs.

Anyone who opposes mandatory e-verify is for illegal immigration. Period. We also need smart border security and port of entry enhancement BUt mandatory e-verify is the most important step. When jobs aren’t easy to get it will stop the non-refugee flow.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

You, are a moron. The lack of e-verify inducing illegal immigration? How about the promise of free healthcare you saw at the debates!

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The poster who claimed e-verify is the primary issue need to get educated.

Why are you opposing mandatory e-verify ? Any reason? The fraud doubled the h2b and to this day doesn’t have e-verify in all his properties. Why not ? Because the GOP businessmen love the illegal labor as it reduces their cost and more money in the heir pocket. That’s all they care about.

The dems are for mandatory e-verify and it was in the bill passed by dem senate during Obama years. But the GOP house oppose it. The GOP is a fraud party run by a conman who benefit from illegal immigrants BuT just fool the cult by harassing desperate refugees. Why not target the business that recruit illegals?

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

You, are a moron. The lack of e-verify inducing illegal immigration? How about the promise of free healthcare you saw at the debates!

+ 1,000,000

+1,000,0000,000,000

The poster who claimed e-verify is the primary issue need to get educated.

Why are you opposing mandatory e-verify ? Any reason? The fraud doubled the h2b and to this day doesn’t have e-verify in all his properties. Why not ? Because the GOP businessmen love the illegal labor as it reduces their cost and more money in the heir pocket. That’s all they care about.

The dems are for mandatory e-verify and it was in the bill passed by dem senate during Obama years. But the GOP house oppose it. The GOP is a fraud party run by a conman who benefit from illegal immigrants BuT just fool the cult by harassing desperate refugees. Why not target the business that recruit illegals?

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1. Once again the GOP convinces its base to get really outraged about an issue that the base fundamentally doesn’t understand and that the GOP has no intention of solving, because their base will keep ignorantly blaming the Democrats like the sheep they are.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you're in a bubble of xenophobia. Immigrants are a net positive to the country; asylum is a fundamental human right; and democrats are demonstrably not against border controls.

Ummm, did you not watch the debates??? Castro, and a majority want to decriminalize crossing the border illegally. That does not sound like border control?

This is why a lil bit of education or atleast the ability to find out what the word means goes a long way in understanding it. Decriminalize isn’t the same as open borders. In law there are two types , criminal law and civil law. Decriminalize simply means that the families who cross the border will be punished by civil law, not by criminal law. It means we don’t treat desperate people as rapists and murderers. It means we will be kind and humane but you would still be punished in a civil manner and involves jail time. But if you have criminal record or have committed other crimes while here illegally then and only then will you be considered a criminal.

Civil penalties are usually nominal with some fines attached.
So basically you are saying that sure, cross the border. It’s a civil penalty. Pleas pay a 100$ fine, but you get fee healthcare and all the social services that you need to stay in this country.
If I’m illegal, I’m coming over right now for that deal!

Understand what a civil penalty is first.

Civil penalties are for the ones who are qualified to get asylum. Not for everyone. Also we need mandatory e-verify, which the dems support, so the greedy employers like Trump and corporations don’t hire them instead of Americans. Why is Trump against mandatory e-verify? Why is the GOP against mandatory e-verify? They are basically shifting the blame for illegal immigration on the desperate people and not on the rich people who give them employment as inducement for them to come. You’ve fallen for the craven lie the conman and the gop has propagated. It is the GOP which is inducing illegal immigration by not having mandatory e-verify. Get some education and understand the issue deeper.

You, are a moron. The lack of e-verify inducing illegal immigration? How about the promise of free healthcare you saw at the debates!

+ 1,000,000

+1,000,0000,000,000

The poster who claimed e-verify is the primary issue need to get educated.

Do you even know the value of each zero you typed? You are the poorly educated rube that the conman loves. Why are you against mandatory e-verify? Any reason at all? I understand businessmen like trump love illegals and don’t want mandatory e-verify because they can pay pennies and pocket the rest. That’s why the GOP and Trump are opposing e-verify. But why are you opposing e-verify? Because the cult leader fooled you?

If you cut off the spigot of jobs the the NON-Refugee employment seekers will not come. Why are you against it? I get why the businesses are against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you for whom immigration is your #1 issue -- what exactly is it that bothers you so much?

I am SO much more bothered by the idea that our country is caging children. And I dearly hope there are more voters like me than there are children of immigrants (all of you) rushing to slam shut the door to freedom and opportunity.

False dilemma. You can treat children humanely AND have orderly immigration.

Why are YOU so eager to open "the door to freedom and opportunity" to the unverified and the uneducated over hundreds of thousands of us with advanced degrees and mortgages who have been standing in line patiently in front of that door?