We are doing something wrong to women in our homes.

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Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Very good point. Appearance standards for young women are higher in the US now than they were 20-30 years ago. Young girls feel like they gave to look "perfect".

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

The issue with that is that most men don't make enough to support a SAHM.

I also have yet to see a SAHM/ working man relationship that was equal. The SAHM's DH is let off from doing anything. DH and I both work and my DH does 10x more than the husbands of the SAHMs I know and they're bitter about it. The men think that just because they work, they shouldn't do anything at home, which I think gives children the wrong message.

I’m a SAHM and my relationship is pretty equal. When he’s home, it’s 50/50 both of us in the trenches or it favors me (he gets up at night for example. I have a sleep disorder and so haven’t gotten up 8n years).

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

The issue with that is that most men don't make enough to support a SAHM.

I also have yet to see a SAHM/ working man relationship that was equal. The SAHM's DH is let off from doing anything. DH and I both work and my DH does 10x more than the husbands of the SAHMs I know and they're bitter about it. The men think that just because they work, they shouldn't do anything at home, which I think gives children the wrong message.

You post didn't address his point why is a womans choice to be a sahm considered retreat. Her ability and opportunity is not a retreat. Womens labor participation has been steadily dropping for years. "DH is let off from doing anything" ....you clearly have some axe to grind that has nothing to do with reality. One person working to support a family is far from not doing anything. Basic common sense tells you the one at home should be handling the home in a stay at home situation. Speaking of giving children the wrong message your sweeping negative generalizations against men, including brushing aside supporting, housing and feeding a family as nothing, says the message you are sending is far from right.

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Anonymous wrote:We are a couple in our early 40's. There is equal division of labour, maybe he does more outside work, but I am fine with that.

To the typical DCUM , the only work that counts is hers.

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I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes

The linked to article mentions no causes except lack of paid maternity leave.

+1. OP, stop using your head.

Did you mean to start using her head?

I believe her point is that she believes the problem starts at home. I agree. Just look at the division of labor in most homes. Not all of them, of course, but in the vast majority of households it is the women who are performing most of the menial labor that is necessary.

She believes, based on what, patriarchy blah blah blah? What is different in Scandinavia or Ireland? The article doesn't say. My personal guess: in Scandinavia an expectation that women go into engineering and into political leadership, less judgement for doing that from men OR women. My guess.

Bingo. The WEF specifically states women have to start going into STEM fields if they will ever reach parity in income.

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Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

Why not blame the dad for raising a lazy boy?

Because its neither the father or son that is last, women love to complain and do it constantly. Women really if you look a the facts are in no place to call men lazy. Facts suggest otherwise

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

Not surprised that you're a man who believes in 'natural and biological proclivity'. Male chauvinist pig.

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Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands not realizing they are complaining about things no one else cares about. They spend time doing things no else cares about act like martyrs. They just don't realize this insisting other people should be doing stuff only they want done someone's else's nagging wife.


On a serious note, this "lazyhusband" stuff is simply stupid. Has it occured to you you may really do a lot things only you care about then play martyr. Most women complaining are full of crap.

Kids’ doctor appts, dentist appts, clothes that fit, insurance renewed, taxes paid, vacations booked, rats/mice not eating crumbs in the house, camps/school enrolled. Bdays parties attended w a present, bed made, clothes cleaned, cars maintained, winter coats bought, too small clothes/shoes boxed up, etc.
all those stupid details your mom did for you and your misogynistic father, that you like to claim never matter. Keep it up and you will be divorced, or are you already?

+1

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Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

Why do you give a crap about actresses? And do you have reason to believe that Northern Europeans like Swedes care less about their looks? To the best of my knowledge they are more concerned with looking good as they age than Americans .

Correct, poster like that are the very reason people ridicule these issues. Aside from being an excuse it simply is not true, the big push to call fat women curvy or sexy is fairly recent. Women have increased numbers in higher education year after year. She is absolutely freaking delusional. Women in Europe (and South American and Asia) put far more effort into their appearance than in the US on average simple observe obesity stats and look at the average womans clothes and hair. Her statement is beyond stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a lazy student that just posted an essay question for the woman's studies class and expects us to give her ideas for her paper.

Womens Studies contributes to the wage gap, it is useless , stop whining and get into a major that will produce a marketable skill. The study quoted stated women have to start getting into STEM if we expect wide scale parity.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

The issue with that is that most men don't make enough to support a SAHM.

I also have yet to see a SAHM/ working man relationship that was equal. The SAHM's DH is let off from doing anything. DH and I both work and my DH does 10x more than the husbands of the SAHMs I know and they're bitter about it. The men think that just because they work, they shouldn't do anything at home, which I think gives children the wrong message.

Gross generalizations based on your own experiences. In my community of friends, there are plenty of single income families and stay home parents. Many of them function well, and yes, some of them not so much. This tangent has nothing to do with the conclusions in the study that the OP presented or in my position that the data supports an entirely different premise, that women leaving the workforce to do something else is not necessarily oppressive. If you want to make this a debate about working moms and horrible husbands, well, that gets a little tiring.

Generalizations aside, if SAHM she knows are bitter about doing the majority of work at home they are lazy entitled wives. They should stop complaining and go to work in that case.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a lazy student that just posted an essay question for the woman's studies class and expects us to give her ideas for her paper.

Womens Studies contributes to the wage gap, it is useless , stop whining and get into a major that will produce a marketable skill. The study quoted stated women have to start getting into STEM if we expect wide scale parity.

Do people really think like this??

Women could receive 100 percent of the STEM diplomas and there’d still be a wage gap as long as women are responsible for bearing children and there isn’t paid maternity leave and equality at home to keep them in the workforce or on the same trajectory as men.

This is why you have countries like Japan with low birth rates and the US where most babies are born to uneducated single women.

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Anonymous wrote:These numbers explain a lot. The emphasis on sexiness and hotness for women is MUCH more intense than it was when I grew up. It overwhelms all the other talk about the need for a woman to be educated, confident and career focused.
Look at actresses in the UK. There are many, many relatively normal looking women. In the US you must be a sex goddess.

This, and just in the recent decade it has permeated into the MILF and Cougars. Women are now more than EVER expected to be "sex kittens" well into middle age. However, we women do it to ourselves. One only needs to look at Instagram and the culture of female selfie narcissism to see exactly how and why we are moving backwards. We objectify ourselves and then cry boo-hoo when men no longer know how to act around us. So many mixed message.

I think women need to take a hard look in the mirror to find the answers.

My god what is with some women and this anti-attractive obsession. Is it an excuse for not being as successful as you had hoped or fat women jealous? Really, I dont get it. Women in the US do not put in anywhere near the effort in their appearance of women in other most Europe or Latin American, not even close. Stop making excuses and focus on high earning fields.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a lazy student that just posted an essay question for the woman's studies class and expects us to give her ideas for her paper.

Womens Studies contributes to the wage gap, it is useless , stop whining and get into a major that will produce a marketable skill. The study quoted stated women have to start getting into STEM if we expect wide scale parity.

I pray to god you don’t have a girlfriend, wife or daughters. Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

Why not blame the dad for raising a lazy boy?

Because its neither the father or son that is last, women love to complain and do it constantly. Women really if you look a the facts are in no place to call men lazy. Facts suggest otherwise

Are these real facts or alternative facts?